Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Have been thinking about all this. Heard today one can get the ChiCom Flu more than once. No herd immunity.

It's time to stop fucking around. Many, if not most people have incorporated the ChiCom Flu into their lives. They know there's some risk, but if you aren't 60 or over, or with underlying conditions, your chance of getting it is rather small, and of dying from it even smaller. From what I know, the vast majority of those who die are in the aforementioned group.

We simply cannot keep opening things up, then shutting things back down. We cannot keep damaging our economy by putting people out of work. We cannot keep fucking with students' education by willy-nilly putting schools online.

Time for us to man up, as a country. Just bring things back to "normal", but with everyone wearing face masks inside any public building. Go to a restaurant/bar - face masks on unless eating/drinking. Stop the "social distancing". Particles can apparently go further than six feet. Make exceptions for athletes on the playing field. Fans wear masks.

At the rate we are going, we're going to keep diddle-assing around until people are so tired of this shit they refuse to do anything. So let's call it a day, back to "normal", everyone wear masks when in public buildings.

Haven't YOU had enough of this shit? I sure have.

Yeah we definitely have herd immunity. Haven't even seen an outbreak since lockdown ended, only one or two infected, no way that's just cuz people's hygiene, specially not in the bad part of Cadiz since they've been celebrating football league shit by getting together by the hundreds and the white tides are currently protesting Los Pascuales en masse. If we had no immunity we'd be plague central right now and currently the entire provincr has only 4 infected.

This one and this one.

Notably the first one was taken wildly out of context. It's literally just "this many healthcare workers had antibodies: the study."

The second one is better, but even it says that you can't extrapolate no IgG = no immunity. There are other components of the immune system, y'know.

People can start talking about no immunity when there's a massive wave of re-infections. We haven't seen that yet. If Wuhan 2.0 flares up then yeah fuck it.

Wait but that only measured IgG currently in blood, not IgG generated by limphs in case of exposure. All this study found is you stop having IgG in blood if the B cells stop producing them! That's like pointing out that things fall down and then proclaiming WHEELS can't function because they'd get stuck to the road! OF COURSE YOU STOP HAVING IGGS WITHOUT REINFECTION. BUT THE FUCKING CELLS MAKE MORE IF THERE IS AN INFECTION! What is wrong with these people for fucks sake!
 
If I can find the links again, I'll archive them and post them. Apologies for not having them handy at the moment; past few days have been insane for me, so posting on the Farms hasn't been a priority, lol.

I've read a lot of things about how SARS and MERS came and went, with the context of herd immunity. Because no significant lockdowns with these viruses occurred, the mutation rates of these diseases were approximately every 4-6 hours. Enough people became immune for a lengthy enough time that these two types of Coronaviruses mutated into nothingness. This even happened with the 2014 Ebola scare, which is why the "scare" came and went relatively fast.

Reportedly, COVID-19 has a mutation rate of every 60-something days ... Which is terrible. I'm blaming lockdowns. Not enough people are catching the damn thing to the point where it's not being given enough chance to mutate as quickly as it could or should.

Even if the reports are true that anti-bodies for COVID-19 only work for a few months, all this virus needs is a few months to mutate into something less severe. So, yes, herd immunity is still a thing that should absolutely still be in discussion, in my opinion.

A silver lining to the riots happening in the States: Hopefully a shitton of people passed this thing to each other while burning down those Wendy's. Let it mutate at a faster rate! Only way to do that is to let the virus naturally run its course. Lockdowns are absolutely curtailing that progress ... Curtailing progress is just part and parcel of what the government does, though.
 
Is the Media only sensationalizing outliers? For as many cases as there are there's bound to be some young healthy people that will di. That's to be expected. However most of the people seem to be dying from it are either elderly or obese people with hypertension and diabetes. I wish the media would be honest and quit trying to scare people. However fear sells and it's an election year.
I feel like that's why the fear mongering is happening. Becuase it's happening at the right time and the media is using this opportunity to claim trump handled it badly without considering how state governors and mayors are turning into dictators with threats of arrest if people don't follow these polices correctly.
 
If Trump gets re-elected, how long is the left going to continue to drag out this lockdown meme? Because this lockdown is starting to break me mentally, I fear.

Either until cases reach zero or until lockdown zealots start getting voted out. Don't give up hope, whatever you do. Take it one day at a time.
 
Newsom's a fucking faggot. It's becoming more and more difficult for me to stop myself from fedposting.
You triple posted that
On a lighter note my state remains open with minor common sense restrictions.
Spent the day at an amusement park having fun eating fried foods and riding roller coasters as well as soaking in the water park. Going the Lake this weekend to go fishing on a pontoon and camping in trailer . The WuFlu seams to be a load of hype.
 
@FatalTater do you legitimately think this is a plague? From your posting history in this thread, it sure seems like it. What do you think the death rate is?

We really don't need more people thinking we need to be shut down until 2045 at which point we can begin the "new normal".
I'm mostly hyperbolic with a dash of sarcasm. It doesn't always translate well when typed.

Pretty sure there's some illness out there with icky symptoms. Is it as contagious and deadly as some say? No, or we'd have bodies piling up in the streets.

I do like to point out things I personally see and hear. We can't exactly trust what the official news is saying. What the things I see mean, I don't always know. I guess I'm just a lil' useless oracle like that.
 
You'll have one day where the cases get lower (200-400) and a few days it gets a little higher (600), but then it goes back down (400), but then it goes lower (200). It's a consistent downwards trend in most except for the dead south states. They often report this as a "rise" in cases, which is complete bullshit.
The biggest problem I see is that people are fixated on the raw numbers. They see multiple days of your 200/400 numbers (for example) and see one day of 600 which immediately drives them to assume a worst-case scenario. A 7-day average or any other sort of rate of change analysis is a better metric and gives a better snapshot of what's going on. Unfortunately, these type of math skills probably aren't taught any more except when students take pre-calc or honors calculus during their high school years. Godbear forbid people think critically or look at a bigger picture. *sigh*

It goes beyond that. Without the free daycare school provides, businesses won’t have employees (usually low-skilled jobs that can’t be done remotely). School districts are usually among a community’s largest employers too and I predict they’ll cut jobs if they can’t reopen for in-person instruction. Plus there is a whole “school-industrial complex.” If little Johnny and Sally are learning at home virtually, Pearson and other textbooks manufacturers aren’t selling billions in textbooks. There are billion dollar companies that exist solely, or a subsidiary of other companies, to develop and administer standardized tests for public schools. Dairy farmers are dumping milk because a large part of their business is selling milk to schools. Schools spend a shitload of money, which is school tax is levied on damn near everything. That’s why they want schools open...
In addition to all of this, schools are now the primary source of breakfast or a morning snack for some students, and it's not just districts with a high number of impoverished students.

One of the largest, and most affluent, public school districts in my area scrambled to figure out how to continue their morning breakfast/snack program once schools were closed this Spring and never reopened. Despite the city and surrounding township's affluence, this district attracts a number of students from a nearby city (through schools of choice) that's known for its high number of residents living near or below the Federal Poverty Line with school-aged children that most likely don't get anything to eat in the morning.

With more households where any and all adults work during the day, schools -- for better or worse -- truly have become de facto child care providers.

Detroit groups "By Any Means Necessary" and "Detroit Will Breathe" protested the start of summer school this morning, for fear of Corona. About 100 demonstrators blocked the bus terminal and prevented any buses from leaving to pick up students.
BAMN, ugh. If I recall, this is the same group that felt Detroit Public Schools being under emergency management was usurping local control and providing a more inferior education that what was being offered prior to the emergency management. To see BAMN now turning around and staging this protest that hindered the ability of half of the kids enrolled for summer school to try to learn something is wow :story: and shows that they care about their own interests more than the educational needs of the kids for whom they claim to be advocating.

Just today, our county decide to turn on the emergency alert system for the first time during corona chan thing. It's about muh rising cases.
I received what appears to be a statewide "Extreme Alert" tonight reminding people about the state's new rules regarding masks.

She’s trying to find any thread of law to keep her emergency powers intact in the face of legal challenges to those powers.
As hinted at above, state Democrats have largely decried emergency management laws because of their use in urban, inner-city areas with financial or educational mismanagement that desperately needed to be addressed. To see a Democratic governor invoke one of these types of laws is surprising because they normally condemn such laws as unjustly removing local control. I agree this sounds like a desperate move to maintain unchecked power, something else Democrats have both criticized and sued President Trump for attempting to do with a number of his executive orders.

unironically think that the protesters are entirely to blame for any resurgence
I think this is the elephant in the room that poses a dilemma for many elected officials. If they admit the protests have contributed to the resurgence, they're portraying those minorities that protested without precautions in a bad light -- something Democrats can't and won't do if they can help it. Furthermore, blaming protests would mean these elected officials would have to concede one or both of the following:
  • Minorities, especially African Americans, really are more susceptible to COVID-19, or
  • Reopening various business hasn't been the vector that's presently claimed, apart from those people who are taking no precautions and subsequently getting infected as the result of their own poor decision-making

If I've read Michigan's uptick in cases correctly, it started less than two weeks before some of the bigger re-openings but at the same time as the incubation period for COVID-19 would be in effect for the first wave of protests. If that's true, using reopened businesses as the scapegoat is both ingenious by our elected officials and flat out incorrect if we accept the 14 day window for contracting COVID-19.

I do like to point out things I personally see and hear. We can't exactly trust what the official news is saying. What the things I see mean, I don't always know. I guess I'm just a lil' useless oracle like that.
This is one of the biggest frustrations I've observed with all of this. Most normies probably want to do their part to prevent the spread of COVID-19 through common sense precautions. However, conflicting information, misinformation, and the media's tendency to doompill ever since the beginning have all made it difficult to know what to do and what works versus what to avoid and what doesn't work. 🤷‍♂️
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I've always sort of known this but people are generally addicted to misery, doom-porn and end of the world fantasies in which they can LARP as the saviors and martyrs in their own horror survival games.

This pandemic is unrelated of course, but reminds me of when everyone was so convinced Trump would start World War III with North Korea, and the media refused to stop chimping out about that for months, sending the general public into a panic spiral. I also recall Trump's 2016 election (who could forget?) and so many liberals and doom-pillers predicting "the end of America" and "horrific economic collapse and war" and general over-the-top doom and gloom. You still see it all over Twitter (a known cesspool, in fairness), but like others have said, the sanctimonious freak-outs over this virus have gone full Satanic Panic and seeped into normie life and social media, as well, not just the Far Left and Far Right as per usual.

People are losing their goddamned minds over this virus and eschewing rationality and common sense in favor of virtue signaling and moralizing, and I suspect on some level a lot of these idiots secretly enjoy it. This makes them feel alive/important/gives them yet another reason to feel superior to everyone else. It's also, I believe, highly addictive like a morphine drip. I could be wrong but something to thunk on.
 
Midwest US personally gathered info - teacher friend of mine plans to quit his job if they open schools back up, and he may not be the only one. Granted, he's got weak lungs and catches every sniffle that goes around no matter how careful he is, so he might be a tiny bit dramatic. He and his fellow teachers have been talking and they feel school openings are being pushed due to the economy, not for education purposes. I for one was not surprised.

They’re starting to frame their side as a resistance movement too.
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