Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Wtf are you babbling about Jelly? Even though I'm open to a black Bond. I don't know how the fuck a female Bond even works. A female 00 agent, alright(you're getting that).

But, a gendered swaped James Bond? Wtf is the point? It's not even the character anymore...

They set up the black chick from Captain Marvel to be the next 007 in the upcoming film, but rumor is it tested horribly. Doesn't matter because after what? Five films, Daniel Craig has yet to actually give us James Bond on the screen...

My first SW game was Dark Forces, and damn it was great. This series (Jedi Knight and onward) has my favorite multiplayer of all time, and the mods are great.


I never played the first one, but I enjoyed Rebel Assault 2.

Hell yeah, Kyle Katarn. Rogue squadron. Fucking Shadows of the motherfuckin' empire.


. . . You didn't even quote the right post to give context to. The whole point was having the proper context to understand what was said? How did you screw this up?


Yes. And? Anyone is able to offer a third. You in fact did, without adding the proper context. Btw, you're third option is a variant of the first option I offered, which I extrapolated on and doesn't change or address what I was originally responding to once you add the context. I'm dealing with a regular Ben Shapiro...


This isn't an either or, that's my assessment of the criticisms. I explained how and why I got to said assessment. No shit Sherlock, I'm one of them, however most of the complaints people have of the prequels aren't from these people because the criticisms would be different like I said. I'm not going to repeat myself, you can reread the original to understand why.

Newsflash Rian Johnson isn't a bad filmmaker. His name isn't a bad word that suddenly negates an argument or point being made. You are attempting what would be called the "genetic fallacy". TLJs problem is it is a HORRIBLE sequel more than it being a bad movie. How do we know this? Because for as bad as some people believe the prequels to be they did not kill the fanbase. TLJ's issue isnt "subverting expectations", it's making established characters do and say things that runs contrary to who they were in previous movies. There is nothing in the prequels that does this even. It literally cannot happen as there was no information prior to the prequels coming out that they could run contrary to.


I devalued my opinion because I disagree that a movie has a problem you think it has that I disagree is a problem in the first place? Ok bruh. We cannot be using the same definition so I would like you to explain to me what you mean by the term. Pacing, in movies, is the rate of movement, flow of events, that occurs as a films story progresses. A movie being bloated doesnt necessitate is being poorly paced. Example, all of Tarantino's films after Jackie Brown are bloated AF, very few people could call them poorly paced.

What's worse is TPM isn't even bloated. It's the first movie in a trilogy that has already been preplanned that has to tell it's own story while setting up what's neccessary for the upcoming sequels. I would love to hear what exactly you would cut out of TPM that doesnt fuck it or the sequels up.

TPM moves faster than AotC and its middle section carries the momentum from its opening action sequences better than RotS which practically drops all of the opening momentum gained at the beginning almost the moment Anakin sees Padme, the momentum stops when Anakin actually goes to sleep. From there the movie moves as if in molasses with the only moments that have the tension to support the slower pace being Papa Palps and maybe 1 scene with Obiwan. You are confusing the importance of the events with the pacing of them.


Great, I'm glad you agree. That's the whole point of the original statement which is why context(tying it all together) is a good thing. Like the previous poster your complaints make me wonder when the last time you watched the prequels for yourself. Somehow all prequel complaints focus on TPM and not AotC which is a worse movie, which is actually poorly paced, is the source of all the dialogue problems people love to complain about, is actually bloated, and had Ewan McGregor in a mullet, yet somehow that movie sees nowhere near the same criticism that TPM faces. I tend to attribute that to people getting their opinions from youtube reviews but I'll be glad to be proven wrong.

Rewatch the prequels, then rewatch the OT in a short enough time frame that all of the prequels can be fresh in your mind to reference against the OT. It will surprise you how much in the PT gets criticized for what is in the OT. It'll be like poetry, it'll rhyme.

I ask you, who is more tismy?

Fuck this, your still refusing to even admit the Phantom Menace is bloated or has pacing problems, what are you Jeremy from Geeks and Gamers?

I can't take your opinion seriously on them, Your defending something through fanboy love. I've been there. Hell, I've seen them multiple times, and I enjoyed half of Menace and the last third of Clones and still defend them somewhat.

I left your wall of words this time. But either make it shorter or space it out.
 
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The prequel haters aren't George fans. They are Star Wars fans. More specifically they are fans of Star wars that comports to their own personal experience relating to it.
I think that a lot of people who claim to hate the Prequels blindly believed Mike Stoklasa's bullshit. The Plinkett "reviews" are funny but it's a bunch of crap with bits of behind the scenes taken out of context. What Stoklasa did was the movie critic equivalent of Michael Moore's Farenheit 9/11. He pulled the same stunt with the Indy 4 review, blaming Lucas and forgetting the guy who was actually behind the camera, the same guy who made Tintin and Reddit Player One.
I'm sure I'm going to get some negative votes but one day you people will understand, lol
 
I think that a lot of people who claim to hate the Prequels blindly believed Mike Stoklasa's bullshit. The Plinkett "reviews" are funny but it's a bunch of crap with bits of behind the scenes taken out of context. What Stoklasa did was the movie critic equivalent of Michael Moore's Farenheit 9/11. He pulled the same stunt with the Indy 4 review, blaming Lucas and forgetting the guy who was actually behind the camera, the same guy who made Tintin and Reddit Player One.
I'm sure I'm going to get some negative votes but one day you people will understand, lol

What's with the, 'your views are YT views' criticism? Come the fuck on. I don't even hate the prequels...
 
I ask you, who is more tismy?

Fuck this, your still refusing to even admit the Phantom Menace is bloated or has pacing problems, what are you Jeremy from Geeks and Gamers?

I can't take your opinion seriously on them, Your defending something through fanboy love. I've been there. Hell, I've seen them multiple times, and I enjoyed half of Menace and the last third of Clones and still defend them somewhat.

I left your wall of words this time. But either make it shorter or space it out.
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Whew lad, you're funny.

When you find the time in your busy schedule to actually read what I wrote, answer the questions there this convo can continue. Idgaf what you think of me, what I wrote either stands on it's own or doesnt. Btw that was spaced out and formatted with separate ideas in seperate paragraphs. No idea how you operate in life if something barely two pages long intimidates you from not even responding to the content in it.

Good luck kid, learn to develop your own opinions and not just spout off what you hear others say. It doesnt make you sound smart or "in".
 
First Star Wars game I played was X-Wing. It was on my dad's old computer he let me borrow that still had Windows 95 back when 98 was the main OS for computers and Apple still gave a shit about PCs.

It and Star Fox 64 were among my favorite space shooters.

I probably won't touch any of the new games given EA is a sweatshop factory that only survives due to mongoloid Euros obsessed with FIFA though.
Just buy the games used or pirate them... hell use G2A

While it wasn't my first Star Wars game, the PC Phantom Menace game was lovably janky, especially the Tattooine level where you could go full on GTA and murder everyone for their podracer parts and still beat the level.
Thats some Borderline Immersive sim design right there
 
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Whew lad, you're funny.

When you find the time in your busy schedule to actually read what I wrote, answer the questions there this convo can continue. Idgaf what you think of me, what I wrote either stands on it's own or doesnt. Btw that was spaced out and formatted with separate ideas in seperate paragraphs. No idea how you operate in life if something barely two pages long intimidates you from not even responding to the content in it.

Good luck kid, learn to develop your own opinions and not just spout off what you hear others say. It doesnt make you sound smart or "in".

Probably older than you, which is why I dislike novella posts. I actually like you for the most part, but I can't stand the book report model of posting. Economy of words. That's part of why there won't be further 'convo' (who sounds like a kid again?).

My opinion are my own.

The only EA SW game worth a shit is Fallen Order though. The rest are straight trash.

Even that's iffy.

Just buy the games used or pirate them... hell use G2A

Is EA Star Wars worth pirating?
 
The only EA SW game worth a shit is Fallen Order though. The rest are straight trash.
My only wish for the Fallen Order sequel is maybe adding a interesting side quest mission, more planet to explore, more lightsaber parts oh and add more clothes beside the poncho maybe like adding the Obi-Wan, Anakin Clone Wars clothes they wore (just for fun) but that just my idea for that sequel games.
 
My only wish for the Fallen Order sequel is maybe adding a interesting side quest mission, more planet to explore, more lightsaber parts oh and add more clothes beside the poncho maybe like adding the Obi-Wan, Anakin Clone Wars clothes they wore (just for fun) but that just my idea for that sequel games.

Yeah, if/when they do a sequel more side stuff and cosmetics would be great. I actually modded my game so that Cal is wearing the Inquisitor armor and has a beard because after I unlocked all the jacket and poncho stuff, I thought they were all lame.
 
I'm prefacing this by admitting I like most of Karen Travis' EU books. Mississippi Mourning gives a pretty good breakdown of her here.

I get the feeling that KT, like Kathleen Kennedy doesn't actually like SW per se. She likes an aspect of SW specifically Mando's and their culture and eventually because her focus was on her wants and preferences and not the well being of the overall whole it shows up in her work. Unlike KK I dont think KT hates SW. But that's the line.
First off, I appreciate the kind words. It's nice to know that I'm wearing my thumbs numb over these novella-sized posts, and someone actually reads them.

But specifically to the bolded, I'm not sure I would go so far as to say that Traviss actively compromises a story to cater to her Mando preference. She definitely shoehorns that aspect in, no question, but I don't believe that it actively took away from the drama and narrative weight of the other characters. You could remove the entire Boba Fett sub-plot from Bloodlines, and all of the Jacen and Solo/Skywalker Family stuff would still be just as nuanced and well-told. Traviss wrote those portions as well or better than the Mando bits, with none of it feeling like she was sleep-walking through it just to get to the portions of the plot she cared more about.

For all of her tendencies, Traviss retained a sense of creative and professional restraint, and gave her all to the primary, Jedi-focused part of the storyline, which I'm immensely thankful for.

Glad to read your review and looking forward to the next ones. Not to spoil anything but iirc some of your complaints may get remedied either in this series or the next.
As I keep saying, I'm only two books in, so please regard any mountains of hyperbole I project through my posts as unfilitered and half-informed early impressions. I'm certain that my complaints will be addressed in later books...it's just that I had similar complaints whilst reading Dark Nest, and they were never remedied by the end.

Of course, we have three authors to depend on instead of just one spear-heading the story arc, so I'm certain that improvement is far likelier this time around.

Disney's decision to make all EU works non canon killed a lot of interest in the franchise from the more hardcore fanbase
Which has a staggering irony, because as an avid Star Wars fan with no history with the EU (for the most part), Disney's decision to jetison that continuity created a very easy solution to my utter revulsion to The Farce Awakens by having an entire timeline's worth of comics and novels that would give me the creativity I sought, thus ushering me to decades of stories that were fresh and new to my inexperienced eyes, making me into a bigger and more rabid Star Wars fan than ever.

So, thank you Disney...thank you for making films and Nu-Canon material so incomprehensibly shit that I was forced to mine through a goldmine of superior stories, and revitalizing my interest in the franchise.

God, we talking first SW games?
LEGO Star Wars was my first. Yes, I'm part of that generation. From there it was KOTOR II, Battlefront II, and eventually I worked my way to this motherfucker right here.

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This, ladies and Kiwi's, was my gateway drug into Star Wars games. Empire At War, KOTOR, Battlefront 1, Jedi Outcast, Republic and a two-week subscription to Star Wars Galaxies. In a time before Steam and GOG.com existed, and I was a dinky little kid with a low-end PC and strapped for allowance, this was a fucking Godsend...$30 at my local Circuit City.

Greatest summer of gaming, that was.

I would guess that this was a conscious reference to the Battlefront II mission, since Traviss worked closely, and was quite friendly with, LucasArts continuity editor Ryan Kaufman, who was also the content coordinator for the original Battlefront game (she also had a pronounced habit, contrary to her internet reputation, of working in obscure bits of lore into her books, like Djinn Altis, an obscure Clone Wars-era rogue Jedi whose prior footprint consisted of being name-dropped a couple of times in the Bantam era).
If that's true, it's really fucking cool. Things like that are part of why I like the EU so much, because now I'm going to form a stronger connection to that level in Battlefront II whenever I replay it. It's like coming off of Shadows of the Empire, and having that squarely on the mind when re-watching ESB, knowing that when Vader talks to the Emperor via hologram outside of the asteroid field, Prince Xizor is listening in and already formulating his big scheme to outshine Vader.

It makes the universe feel bigger and more enriched...as opposed to what it is now under Disney: suffocatingly-small and sapped dry.

I found it a rather pleasant leavening of the unremitting gloom of the main story, personally. Seeing Boba reconnect with his estranged family made for an interesting contrast with Han's family starting to fall apart, and contributed a certain additional poignancy to the proceedings, given that the EU had long established that Fett and Solo had a subdued but long-running grudge/rivalry where each would in turn get the upper-hand over the other (sometimes several times in the space of one text, as in A.C. Crispin's Han Solo Trilogy). It felt in many ways, to me, like a long-form call-back to the end of Daniel Keyes-Moran's short story "Last One Standing: The Tale of Boba Fett" which concludes with an aging Fett and Solo facing off one last time, each uncertain of whether to pull the trigger or just walk away.
Each to their own. Some of the moments of levity between Fett and his granddaughter landed for me, but a lot of it didn't. Some parts of the big investigation of Taun We and his vengeful daughter kind of dragged ass, or at least didn't grab me like the main plot did. I suppose it's because I haven't really delved into a lot of the Boba Fett content of the Bantam era, or most of the works you referenced. It's possible that I would probably have a larger appreciation for it if I did.

As you said, Fett and the Mandalorians are going to be playing an expanded part in this series, so there was some narrative necessity to bringing the readers up to speed on what they were/had been up to in recent years. Maybe it would have been better if Del Rey had given Traviss a standalone book to explore everything that had happened with the Mandalorians as a whole since the Clone Wars, but that never happened for whatever reason, so all of the plot threads that Traviss had set up regarding events in motion on Mandalore over the course of the Republic Commando series (particular the Mandalorian clans starting to regroup and consolidate under Fenn Shysa's leadership for the first time in centuries) had to be addressed within the bounds of LOTF.
I really think the bolded would've been the optimal solution. Del Rey is no stranger to having supplementary books between story arcs that deal with vital information (they had Rogue Planet act as a spin-off info dump for NJO, for instance). I feel like if they had enabled Traviss that luxury, she wouldn't have felt pressed to cram twenty years' worth of narrative catchup as well as Republic Commando plot threads into the second entry of an already high-stakes story arc.

I believe FOTJ also did something similar with its Lost Tribe Of The Sith being expanded in spin-off material, but I obviously haven't gotten there yet.

I didn't get that. The prologue was pretty matter-of-fact, and relatively terse, reflecting Fett's established character tics while bringing the reader up-to-speed on his immediate preoccupations for the purposes of the LOTF series (to whit: he's getting old, his body is starting to break down, he needs to figure out who's going to be the next Mand'alor and he's more and more starting to wonder whatever became of his estranged offspring
Meh. I found it a try-hard slog to read...but it was short, at least. It got the job done narratively, I just didn't like how the prose was handled, myself.

Interesting. Do you think Traviss was consciously/deliberately playing on parallels with the War of Northern Aggression? 🤔
It wouldn't be outlandish, considering that Star Wars has taken elements of real-world conflicts before. We see the Galactic Alliance do a lot of sketchy, unconstituitional things to mitigate the civil unrest on Coruscant, as well as to literally linger like a guillotine over Corellian orbit to ensure they don't misbehave. You could draw parallels to any number of nations in history throwing their weight around in a similar fashion, but it's the Corellians' attitude and response to this treatment that rings true of the American Civil War. Remember, that Alliston very consciously characterized the Corellians as haughty and prideful, determined to be independent of an aggressive foreign power...which is pretty much the way the way the South saw itself against everything North of Virginia by the late 1800's. Han's bitter monologue at the family table in Betrayal mirrors this quite profoundly, and then in Traviss' book we see the same attitude play out in street riots and tense confrontations in space.

If NJO's Round Robin Interview is anything to go by, collaborating EU authors usually decide on the general feel of the main conflict pretty early on. I have to believe that the three authors for LOTF at reached a similar agreement on its conflict and how it would feel.

He'll always have Star By Star... ❤
Damn right. Star By Star's a phenomenal book, easily in my Top 5 NJO Entries. He also did Tatooine Ghost, which I feel doesn't get a lot of credit or acknowledgement in EU circles, for some reason...I thought it was fantastic.

Yeah, it boils down to Han and Leia trying to hunt down a painting, but the scenes with Leia siphoning through Shmi Skywalker's journal, the scenes where she and Han uncover Anakin's childhood and his adult trek to rescue Shmi from the Sand People...that's the exactly the kind of creative opportunities to seize as more aspects of Star Wars become clear with the more films that are released, and Denning did.

He did something similar with the Skywalkers learning about Anakin's downfall in Dark Nest, which was also great.

Having also read most of Traviss's EU books, I don't think that that's really a fair comparison. She definitely loves the Mandalorians and dislikes the (Prequel) Jedi, but there's quite a quantum leap from "particularly likes one aspect and particularly dislikes one aspect" to "actively hates SW and everything that it represents" as seems to be the case with Kennedy. Also, it's not as though EU authors favoring a particular character or faction was unknown prior to Traviss's induction into the writers' circle, as can be seen with Zahn and Thrawn/the Chiss, Michael Stackpole and Corran Horn/Rogue Squadron, John Ostrander and Quinlan Vos, or what have you.
This is a response to someone else's post, but I'm in full agreement here. I hear incessantly how Traviss likes to use her books as some kind of soapbox against the Jedi, when that doesn't seem to match the reality of the books themselves, at least the one I've read. You don't have chapters where a character is lecturing Luke Skywalker on why the Jedi are shit and don't work morally in a free society, functioning as a modern Marvel Comics-esque microphone to voice her stance without a shred of subtlety or nuance. The only intensely scathing perspective on the Jedi has either come from Jacen Solo (who's been highly critical of the Jedi Order's practices since NJO, with Dark Nest and LOTF essentially building off of his Rogue Jedi status and beliefs...to make him evil), and the Manalorians...you know, the exact people who would have an incredibly slanted and biased view against the Jedi. Boba Fett at one point calls the Jedi "pompous aristocrats who won the genetic lottery"...of course a group of non-Force sensitives who prioritize honor through combat would have that kind of bias against the Jedi, especially when they take moral stances in society. And at no point does the story, or the other non-Mandalorian characters, validate or lionize them for having that perspective. If it did, I would've spent fourteen pages complaining about it in my summary, because of the inexplicable anti-Jedi boner waved about by the horde
horde of post-modern hipster twats that have poured into the fandom by way of the new movies, I've become increasingly fed up with everyone from fans to authors blaming the Jedi Order for every stray fart of misfortune in galactic history, attributing flaws and moral hypocrisies to them that Lucas never intended or advocated for. It's just as insufferable of every third asshole screeching about the Jedi being 'pacifists' or some shit.

And I'd also point out that last bit about you mentioned about authors favoring certain factions in their story...I'd like to voice my loud agreement with this, specifcally in regards to Timothy Zahn. I've refrained from bringing this up to avoid heat from other lorespergs, but this guy and his fucking boner for Thrawn and this Chiss has gotten ridiculous, especially in his new Thrawn books. He literally retconned 'Skywalker' to mean 'wayfinder' in the Chiss language. It's such an eye-rolling attempt to elevate the importance of the Chiss in the Star Wars galaxy, which is already doubly annoying thanks to Zahn making Thrawn an infallible super-genius in the Nu-Canon who can outsmart everyone and everything, and is fifteen lightyears ahead of the known villains like Vader and Palpatine.

He's a cowboy hat and a pudgy smirk away from being the Filoni of the Nu-Canon books, with his exhaustive "pet character" antics, and he'll probably crank it to 10 with his new Thrawn Ascendency novels.
 
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Yeah, if/when they do a sequel more side stuff and cosmetics would be great. I actually modded my game so that Cal is wearing the Inquisitor armor and has a beard because after I unlocked all the jacket and poncho stuff, I thought they were all lame.

The only thing I was happy about in the game is Grievous got mentioned because he the one who massacre all the Nightsisters on Dathomir.
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This is a response to someone else's post, but I'm in full agreement here. I hear incessantly how Traviss likes to use her books as some kind of soapbox against the Jedi, when that doesn't seem to match the reality of the books themselves, at least the one I've read. You don't have chapters where a character is lecturing Luke Skywalker on why the Jedi are shit and don't work morally in a free society, functioning as a modern Marvel Comics-esque microphone to voice her stance without a shred of subtlety or nuance. The only intensely scathing perspective on the Jedi has either come from Jacen Solo (who's been highly critical of the Jedi Order's practices since NJO, with Dark Nest and LOTF essentially building off of his Rogue Jedi status and beliefs...to make him evil), and the Manalorians...you know, the exact people who would have an incredibly slanted and biased view against the Jedi.
Before anyone else jumps in, I should mention that there are more than a few scenes in the Republic Commando series where one of the Mandalorian characters, Kal Skirata, gives vent to his complaints about the Jedi Order without getting much in the way of counterarguments, but these are usually directed at his long-suffering immediate superior in the Grand Army of the Republic's special operations command, Jedi General Arligan Zey, so it's not as though he's giving a verbal and philosophical thrashing to big names like Obi-Wan or Yoda and getting away with it. Likewise, Kal's complaints against the Jedi Order tend to revolve around two points, namely the ethical dilemma of the Jedi accepting the use of what is effectively a slave army to defend democracy, and the Order's policy of isolating Force-sensitive children from their parents, the latter of which is something of a berserk button to the Mandalorians, who can't imagine any greater shame than being cut off from your children. There are suggestions that Zey largely agrees with Kal about the clone army, but he's also depicted as being an almost ideal special operations officer, who gives his subordinates in the field all the support that he can wrangle for them while also turning a blind eye when necessary, which pushes him pretty solidly into "ends justify the means" territory, somewhat mirroring the Order as a whole at that time. Also, Kal himself gradually softens on the Jedi as the series goes on, eventually questioning his previous attitude (coming to think of it in terms of inherited, ancestral hatred), to the point where other Mandos actually start giving him grief over it.
 
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My only wish for the Fallen Order sequel is maybe adding a interesting side quest mission, more planet to explore, more lightsaber parts oh and add more clothes beside the poncho maybe like adding the Obi-Wan, Anakin Clone Wars clothes they wore (just for fun) but that just my idea for that sequel games.
Also have the main character do something more interesting than beating up alien creatures with a RGB baseball bat for 90% of the game and give him the ability to pick up a blaster.
 
Also have the main character do something more interesting than beating up alien creatures with a RGB baseball bat for 90% of the game and give him the ability to pick up a blaster.

Everyone was pissed about that. Combat while simple turned into another Force Unleashed nerf bat fest. As far as I know, no ones done a dismemberment mod yet, or if its even possible.
 
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Whew lad, you're funny.

When you find the time in your busy schedule to actually read what I wrote, answer the questions there this convo can continue. Idgaf what you think of me, what I wrote either stands on it's own or doesnt. Btw that was spaced out and formatted with separate ideas in seperate paragraphs. No idea how you operate in life if something barely two pages long intimidates you from not even responding to the content in it.

Good luck kid, learn to develop your own opinions and not just spout off what you hear others say. It doesnt make you sound smart or "in".
Probably older than you, which is why I dislike novella posts. I actually like you for the most part, but I can't stand the book report model of posting. Economy of words. That's part of why there won't be further 'convo' (who sounds like a kid again?).

My opinion are my own.



Even that's iffy.
I was gonna say "please my good people, let us be smart and bring it off", but this is getting pretty good.
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Is EA Star Wars worth pirating?
No. EAfront II does have some good mods though that replace the sequel shit with some goodies, and the later official content released was alright, but it hardly made up for what a clusterfuck and greedfest this game was upon release, and its made only worse by how EA discontinued support for it despite barely offering much else to make up for their blunders. The mods might get better, so if anything stick around and wait for that, but its hardly as good as the mods for Battlefront II and I doubt they will live up to them considering how much harder it is to mod for this game when compared to something from the mid 2000s.

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While it wasn't my first Star Wars game, the PC Phantom Menace game was lovably janky, especially the Tattooine level where you could go full on GTA and murder everyone for their podracer parts and still beat the level.
Only other game I think that came close to being GTA+SW was Bounty Hunter; big worlds, underworld criminal storyline, shooting enemies and civilians, wielding dozens of weapons, causing havoc in cities, breaking into prisons, dealing with mafias and drug cartels, etc, but there were no vehicles sadly. Supposedly the cancelled 1313 was going to be Uncharted mixed with GTA but Disney killed any hopes of that. EA was also making an open world SW game called project orca that some claimed would be like GTA and set in the OT era, but that got canned too because EA/Disney wanted more games with multiplayer focus and I seriously doubt Disney would allow a game that let's you happily engage in drug-focused storylines and the murder of cowering civilians.

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Knowing Disney, they probably would've needlessly shoved in a lot of sequel allusions or Aladdin references.
 
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I was gonna say "please my good people, let us be smart and bring it off", but this is getting pretty good.
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No. EAfront II does have some good mods though that replace the sequel shit with some goodies, and the later official content released was alright, but it hardly made up for what a clusterfuck and greedfest this game was upon release, and its made only worse by how EA discontinued support for it despite barely offering much else to make up for their blunders. The mods might get better, so if anything stick around and wait for that, but its hardly as good as the mods for Battlefront II and I doubt they will live up to them considering how much harder it is to mod for this game when compared to something from the mid 2000s.

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Only other game I think that came close to being GTA+SW was Bounty Hunter; big worlds, underworld criminal storyline, shooting enemies and civilians, wielding dozens of weapons, causing havoc in cities, breaking into prisons, dealing with mafias and drug cartels, etc, but there were no vehicles sadly. Supposedly the cancelled 1313 was going to be Uncharted mixed with GTA but Disney killed any hopes of that. EA was also making an open world SW game called project orca that some claimed would be like GTA and set in the OT era, but that got canned too because EA/Disney wanted more games with multiplayer focus and I seriously doubt Disney would allow a game that let's you happily engage in drug-focused storylines and the murder of cowering civilians.

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Knowing Disney, they probably would've needlessly shoved in a lot of sequel allusions or Aladdin references.

Sheet, every damn time I see 1313 I see red...
 
The only thing I was happy about in the game is Grievous got mentioned because he the one who massacre all the Nightsisters on Dathomir.
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Going through the old EU in chronological order is something. For example in KOTOR 2 when the Jedi Council members mention that severing ones connection to the force is a punishment the Jedi have only done once or when Kreia is giving history lessons about the ancient Sith on Korriban these things leave a bigger impact since I’ve read these stories not too long ago. Merrin mentioning the Nightsister massacre in Fallen Order is one of the few moments in Disney canon where it does something like this.
 
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