U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

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Correct. That's why he should be, every day, doing an 'update' on the situation in various major metropolitan cities. He should almost every day make clear that the feds are available and ready to help restore order, and EVERY DAY the man should be throwing shade at the mayors and governors letting it happen.

He recently suggested doing a daily coronavirus panel... without any experts. That is a stupid idea that caught flak as it deserves. Imagine, instead, if he just summarized the vandalism/damage/violence in the various cities day by day and pointed out the mayors and politicians covering for it? That would be a much better use of the man's time, and it would play to his strength - being a biting entertainer.
I am not saying Trump is some sort of tactical genus. I agree that Trump should be giving regular press conferences showing what the mayors and governors are allowing, but it is what it is I guess, and I would suspect that the MSM would not show any of it or just cherry pick it and just show recordings instead of it live.
 
People think homeschooled kids are weird because they only notice the weird ones. Your average person knows a ton of homeschooled people but they act normal so it never comes up.

That said, I had a close friend who was homeschooled and the main source of her awkwardness was just how fucking caring and compassionate she was. She never had to develop the defense mechanisms your average public school student does. This left her a little naive to danger, sure, but I was consistently blown away at how kindly she treated people after not having that natural care as thoroughly stamped out of her by the cruelty of other kids and the indifference of adults in authority.

This is all off topic, but the one thing I’ll add is that if all most students have come fall is virtual study, it’s going to be an unmitigated disaster. We know this because the tail end of the 2019-2020 school year already fucking was. My sister is in her second year as a public school teacher at a moderately low income high school and her online class fell apart as soon as it started, and pressure from the department meant she had to pass students who did an astonishingly low percentage of the coursework. She barely was able to keep kids on task in her classroom, once even the pretense of expectations and accountability was gone, the most vulnerable students were a lost cause, and everyone else struggled. It was largely a combination of kids being incapable or unwilling to work absent an authority figure directing them, and a tragically large portion of her students that had to share limited computer and internet time with their siblings and often parents working from home.

And that’s saying nothing of the other teachers who will fold, give up or do half-assed work when those same networks of accountability are removed. Again, we know this because it already fucking happened.


So yeah, the whole idea is idiotic from the ground up and even if kids want to learn, they are absolutely going to need better access to technology. Your charity is better spent there then on any of the violent social issues that have flared up over the summer.

Those niggers are just going to end up in prison eventually anyways, so she may as well just pass them on. Investing effort into niggers is like buying stocks you know are going to bust. Why do it? You're just going to lose.
 
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I am not saying Trump is some sort of tactical genus. I agree that Trump should be giving regular press conferences showing what the mayors and governors are allowing, but it is what it is I guess, and I would suspect that the MSM would not show any of it or just cherry pick it and just show recordings instead of it live.

MSM wouldn't be able to resist the bait. They would try to cherrypick it or distort it, but that's what they did for much of 2015 - and it got Trump a ton of free advertising. Plus, the MSM has a bad habit of forgetting what the average american thinks - they believe the average american is cheering on these protests, so they'll castigate Trump's statements at-face and in the process wind up showing the average, uninformed doof the degree of chaos that's going on in those cities.

Trump doesn't need to himself be a mastermind of tactics, but he needs a campaign manager that knows what optics are good and what will be good for him. And that remembers Trump is at his best when he's riffing and entertaining, not when he's pretending to be very very serious and grave.
 
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Article VI, Paragraph 2 AKA "Supremacy Clause"

Where states are concerned I think the 14 amendment is more on point?

As an example of what I mean, Connecticut had an established religion and paid clergy (Conregationalism) from public taxes well into the 1820s, over thirty years after the Constitution was ratified. Yes, it was a carryover from the beginnings of the colony, but the state didn't stop this over any kind of Constitutional separation of whatever theory, the Baptists and Methodists just got sick of their taxes funding another faith. So the state legislature revoked the special status of Congregationalist ministers with zero federal involvement or (AFAIK) anybody even considering the federal Constitution when it happened.

The supremacy clause was in place the entire time this went on. 🤷🏼‍♂️Seems to me the wording of the 14th amendment would in fact provide a method for the federal gov't to act that wasn't there before, possibly?
 
Are the people in charge actually aware of what they are trying to push? Let's assume a fair election. They have completely blown their chances out of the water. They are in some sort of crazy echochamber where everything they do is exactly the right thing to do. Removing bail is good, removing borders is good, allowing illegals to vote is good. You wonder if they've gone literally insane or they have some massive voter fraud planned. Because from what I've been seeing, their views aren't lining up with the average Americans. From their tactics you just have to assume they are in la-la land. Or planning massive fraud.

These people are aware what they are doing. They just rely on their followers in doing their bidding. These leaders are crafty and they know what to say to get what they want.
 
He recently suggested doing a daily coronavirus panel... without any experts. That is a stupid idea that caught flak as it deserves. Imagine, instead, if he just summarized the vandalism/damage/violence in the various cities day by day and pointed out the mayors and politicians covering for it? That would be a much better use of the man's time, and it would play to his strength - being a biting entertainer.

They wouldn't cover the panel. They'd just take clips out of it out of context.
 
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You still miss the point. Millions of Americans were promised relief from being second class citizens in their own country. We not going to vote for backstabbers. "White hating" is from other Whites who won't hire American Whites.

Before the 'rona there were more jobs than workers in America. If YOU can't get a job, it's probably due to a lack of qualifications. Hate to break it to you, but "American" isn't enough for skilled labor positions.
 
The supremacy clause was in place the entire time this went on. 🤷🏼‍♂️Seems to me the wording of the 14th amendment would in fact provide a method for the federal gov't to act that wasn't there before, possibly?

It did. Prior to that, the Fourteenth Amendment did not apply to the states, and only restrained the federal government. The Supremacy Clause would resolve disputes between federal and state law in favor of the federal government, but only when the federal government actually had the power to pass the law in the first place.
 
Where states are concerned I think the 14 amendment is more on point?

As an example of what I mean, Connecticut had an established religion and paid clergy (Conregationalism) from public taxes well into the 1820s, over thirty years after the Constitution was ratified. Yes, it was a carryover from the beginnings of the colony, but the state didn't stop this over any kind of Constitutional separation of whatever theory, the Baptists and Methodists just got sick of their taxes funding another faith. So the state legislature revoked the special status of Congregationalist ministers with zero federal involvement or (AFAIK) anybody even considering the federal Constitution when it happened.

The supremacy clause was in place the entire time this went on. 🤷🏼‍♂️Seems to me the wording of the 14th amendment would in fact provide a method for the federal gov't to act that wasn't there before, possibly?
14th wasn't adopted until 1868. Before the civil war it was more of a Free for All (attitude was "I am a citizen of State X first, US second") when it came to states vs feds, and chances are outside of the 1st there was no federal law that stated "You can't have the state pay for clergy", and even if there was, Supremacy clause is more of a constitutional law issue suited for the courts if there is a conflict. The SC just means if the fed go after pot store fronts any states who challenge it to the feds in court should be shot down easily. The only recourse the States have is to have the states hold a constitutional convention under Article V.

Although technically there are still state paid Clergy such as military clergy (although the intent is different).
 
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And now the Intercept is claiming that these events are a far right revolution.

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/11/far-right-coronavirus-protests/

Mutated through new information technologies and drawing strength from feelings of economic and demographic dislocation, fascist and sectarian ideologies have found a home in the hearts of members of a new generation of Americans.

Whether most people have connected the dots or not, a violent struggle is already playing out. Over the past few years, a steady drumbeat of massacres have been carried out by extremists associated with the new far-right. These attacks have targeted synagogues, mosques, and communities where immigrants are concentrated. In their wake, the shooters left behind manifestos damning a world that they claimed was shrinking in space for people like them.

What these ideologues drifting within the currents of this movement have really been waiting for, however, is a real crisis, one that would give them an opportunity to put their ideas of racial warfare and ethnic purification into full effect. That crisis is here.

The combination of the coronavirus and the sudden collapse of the American economy has given society an exogenous shock unseen in generations. The pandemic and the social tensions it has unleashed are likely to supercharge the forces that gave rise to the new far-right extremism, even as they produce countervailing energies that could revive the best promises of liberalism.


Americans are experiencing levels of unemployment unprecedented in their modern history. According to some estimates, nearly half of these jobs may never return. At the same time, stunning acts of symbolic cultural transformation are playing out in real time. As statues of polarizing figures tied to America’s European founding come crashing down one after another, often with the support of liberal white Americans, the political project of those on the extremes — particularly white nationalists — is simultaneously jeopardized and emboldened.

On the surface, it seems that events are driving the U.S. in the opposite direction of white nationalist goals and that they will likely taste defeat. But, on the other hand, a structural collapse of American society that fractures it along ethnic lines is the prerequisite for their own dark vision of a society purified by the fires of racial violence.


“One of the things that white nationalists have always been interested in is imposing their own understanding of time: a narrative of what the past looked like and what the future should look like,” said Alexandra Minna Stern, the author of “Proud Boys and the White Ethnostate: How the Alt-Right is Warping the American Imagination.” “In that sense, the coronavirus and the protests have destabilized time. History is being rewritten and the marginalized are being recognized.”

“For white nationalists, this is a crisis as well as an opportunity,” Stern said. “In their opinion, movements like Black Lives Matter are a form of identity politics par excellence. If it is succeeding and gaining currency, then in their view white racial consciousness might rise as well.”

This is not to equate the Black Lives Matter movement with white nationalists of course. But amid the roiling social changes we are now witnessing, many of them progressive, far-right identitarians also see an opportunity at hand.


IT SHOULD GO without saying that it is a choice to view things from an ethno-nationalist perspective. In the U.S., that choice is today not an obviously popular one. A large proportion — perhaps even the majority of the tens of millions who came out into the streets in the unprecedented protest movement triggered by the killing of George Floyd — were white Americans. It remains to be seen how long this support will last, but the spontaneous outrage over the murder of an unarmed Black man by a white police officer is noble and encouraging.

However, those white people who are ethno-nationalists — and there are many of them — will likely view these developments much more darkly: as a sign that they are on the verge of being displaced from their privileged historical role in American society, or, even worse, reduced to a marginalized minority. In a country with loose social bonds and easy access to weaponry, it doesn’t take many people thinking that way to do serious harm.


If you peer into the shadows, you can already see the contours of a threat that will be with us for years to come. In early May, a group of men, described by prosecutors as having “U.S. military experience,” were arrested and charged with trying to spark violence as part of a broader plot to cause the collapse of the federal government and trigger a civil war. A number of shootings and car-ramming attacks carried out during the recent protests should signal that there are people ready for their most extreme beliefs to reach praxis.
https://theintercept.com/2020/06/19/militia-vigilantes-police-brutality-protests/

Somehow the right wingers that keep repeating to stay back and not interfere with anything to the point of calling anyone who wants to do something a glowie are the aggressors here and the leftists who actively say that they want to dismantle the USA, have multiple congresswomen saying the same thing, that attack federal courthouses and symbols of america, those leftists aren't a threat at all. Fucking hell. My family escaped from the collapsing USSR when the Marxist systems started falling apart and if Biden wins, I will be the second generation in a row to leave their home country that they love due to Marxists. At least I get a head start to escape Marxism, my ancestors weren't so lucky.
 
And now the Intercept is claiming that these events are a far right revolution.

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/11/far-right-coronavirus-protests/


Somehow the right wingers that keep repeating to stay back and not interfere with anything to the point of calling anyone who wants to do something a glowie are the aggressors here and the leftists who actively say that they want to dismantle the USA, have multiple congresswomen saying the same thing, that attack federal courthouses and symbols of america, those leftists aren't a threat at all. Fucking hell. My family escaped from the collapsing USSR when the Marxist systems started falling apart and if Biden wins, I will be the second generation in a row to leave their home country that they love due to Marxists. At least I get a head start to escape Marxism, my ancestors weren't so lucky.

Fucking Intercept. It would be nice if they could not be propagandists.

And I am hoping there is a right wing backlash on these riots. I'm half thinking that is what Trump wants. Average citizens telling the far left to eat shit.
 
Fucking Intercept. It would be nice if they could not be propagandists.

And I am hoping there is a right wing backlash on these riots. I'm half thinking that is what Trump wants. Average citizens telling the far left to eat shit.

To be honest it's what needs to happen.

Extinction Rebellion in the UK suddenly felt like not doing so many public protests and "action" when various members jumped up on or glued themselves to, various electric trains in London.

They got the shit beaten out of them by random members of the public sick of their shit.
 
And I am hoping there is a right wing backlash on these riots. I'm half thinking that is what Trump wants. Average citizens telling the far left to eat shit.

I can't see how the Democrats enabling rioters and talking about gun grabs, abolishing the police and 'whiteness' isn't going to produce a backlash. People in the Democrat-run coastal states may have been bullied into tolerating it for now but it's hard to see how that won't change once they get in the privacy of a voting booth. And then there's America away from those Democrat-run coastal states where people ignore the Democrat media.

They got the shit beaten out of them by random members of the public sick of their shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9P1UXYS6Bmg


This is the point when the Extinction Rebellion movement basically fell apart. You've got very privileged protestors screwing the commute of a much less privileged, and much more diverse, crowd.

Unfortunately in the US, the Democrats have made it pretty clear that anyone who stands up to the rioters will get prosecuted while the rioters will not.
 
The same people who depend on government money turn around and squander it on frivolous items and mutual donations to e-begging sites. You're right that they could pool that money and use ti to make a meaningfuil difference, but these are slacktivists we're talking about. Action is too tiresome.


It's funny because many liberals want more money for education and a solution to the "digital divide." For now, it instead looks like they're more invested in these protests that solve zero social issues. Meanwhile, schools are trying to figure out when and how they will reopen come September, and the technology woes they faced this spring in trying to provide online education on short notice are still unresolved -- something that doesn't bode well should schools be closed again for an extended period of time due to COVID-19 or anything else.


Aren't these also the same people that want $0 bail because requiring a cash payment to get out of jail is classist, racist, and about a dozen other-ists? Funny how they don't like the same ideas they advocate for when their opponents/enemies take advantage of them. :story:


From what I've seen of Libertarians shilling their candidate, the talking points they focus on seem to be identical to the Democratic platform, especially regarding open borders. Why vote Libertarian if party members are touting policies already being supported by the Dems?



I imagine it will be some combination of:
  • "Financial advisors" offering to help for a steep price (and mismanaging the money),
  • Frivolous purchases, and
  • All kinds of people crawling out of the woodwork to request or demand a share of the money with the implication that saying no is not going to be an option.
  • Any other similar items not mentioned.
Sadly, very little of this money will probably benefit the family/kids in any meaningful way because they probably won't take the time to seek out a reputable financial planner that doesn't see them as mere dollar signs.


MLive has been garbage tier for some time. As the quality of their regional sports coverage declined and the <state>Live platform as a whole discontinued its own forums, there was nothing left to distinguish it from any other online news source. Worse, viewing MLive with an ad-blocker can yield unpredictable results. Sometimes, an article displays without any issues. Other times, you have to click something saying 'Continue without unblocking'. Still other times, you can't read the article at all, but a refresh produces the article in its entirety without the no-ad nag.

Writers such as this drive home the point that low-tier journalists flock to equally low-tier media sites where one journalist's mere incompetence is sadly above average when compared to the rest of them.




About 15 years ago, someone I know in Maine mentioned that their area had seen a brief upswing in Asian/African refugees escaping whatever turmoil was going on in their native countries at the time. Many of them found their way to the regional community colleges in an attempt to get themselves better educated.

Maine really is rather boring relatively speaking, and the low crime rate is so true that locals will give visitors from out of state/the big city good-natured ribbing about locking their cars, especially during the winter.


Agreed. Between Chief Craig's quick and proactive responses and local activists making it clear agitators are neither wanted nor welcome, Detroit has largely stayed calm. Even with the latest big shooting, Chief Craig released the body cam coverage rather quickly to dispel the inaccuracies being spread on social media. For now, the biggest ongoing protest in Detroit has been BAMN blockading school buses because they fear summer school will bring a large upswing in COVID-19 to both students and staff alike.

Send the feds to places such as Portland and Seattle where the local elected officials either do nothing to stop the violence or encourage it with their behavior and/or inaction.


At this point, the burnt areas of Portland, Minneapolis, and other cities make Detroit look better (for now anyways). If you want to compare Portland's current state to Detroit's after its 1967 riot, though, you'd be more spot on.


The $15/hour demand is the byproduct of SEIU's involvement. They're the group behind that along with unionizing fast food workers so they can boost their depleted union membership and coffers. It's ingenious icing on the cake when they, or other groups, imply $15/hour minimum wage would somehow cure everything wrong in the US right now.


Even if there was a new and improved term for homeschooling, it wouldn't change the fact people would still use it for bad reasons as they do now. That aspect will never go away.

@Syaoran Li, @FatalTater, and @Meat Target have all replied about the subject, but here are some other thoughts combined with theirs:
The biggest issue is a lack of uniform standards. Regulations vary greatly from state to state. In my state, parents don't have to notify the state unless they want special education resources. Further, they don't have to notify the local school district although it's encouraged to avoid truancy issues. Apart from minimal content requirements, parents have relatively complete autonomy. Even the requirement that anyone homeschooling children possess a Bachelor's degree is easily sidestepped because of how easy it is to claim having said degree isn't possible for religious reasons. Efforts to further regulate homeschooling often get fought by homeschool lobbyists.

Another issue is the aforementioned people that use it to either hide something or indoctrinate their kids. In addition to fundamentalists who may want to slant teaching to include their distorted religious world view, there are also those who use homeschooling to keep anyone from learning the children are being abused and neglected. Yes, these are likely a small minority, but the media has a field day reporting these incidents because it allows them to portray homeschooling and their advocates as abnormal.

One of the last main concerns I've seen comes from a thread active when I was a lurker: Unschooling. The idea that parents are claiming to homeschool their children when they instead have their kid unsupervised in front of an electronic device doing whatever they want, even if it's not educational. I'm willing to bet many people have this in mind when they first hear "homeschool" even though it's once again a small minority whose behavior is exaggerated by those who dislike any disruption to the status quo.

Public school unions seeing it as a threat are indeed a thing. They've never been totally thrilled with private schools even if they tolerate them to some degree. Charter schools are looked at even more unfavorably because they get state tax funding that would presumably go to the public schools those students might otherwise attend. As a result, teachers unions, especially the more militant ones affiliated with the American Federation of Teachers tend to have a vested interest in seeing their competition fail in some form or another.

The socialization issue can go either way. Many homeschooled students go on to attend college, do well, and graduate to be productive members of society. However, that doesn't provide good ammo for criticizing homeschooling. Instead they focus on those students who behave quirky for whatever reason or might not move on to college. Those become Exhibit A on why homeschooling is bad. That said, there exists organized homeschooling groups that provide structured learning and opportunities for interaction whether student-teacher or student-student. Also, some areas with enough homeschool students have been known to have organized physical education sessions, intramural sports, or full-fledged athletic programs to make sure students have a chance to be active and learn teamwork skills.
I wish the best for her kids, honestly. I'm sure the father isn't in the picture. What she should do lawyer up and disappear from the public eye. She's better off just taking the money and running. Leave a few million for her kids.

What would re electing Trump do? All these cities are burning on his watch already.
This is his most brilliant play yet. He has repeatedly offered to send in Federal help, but the states have the right to refuse it, and allowing the states to make the conscious decision to burn their cities down for wokeness, makes Trump look good, and doesn't encourage or respond to the "hurr durr hes a facist" claims. Because now everyone sees what the real problem is, the mayors and senators of these cities. Not only is Trump sticking to his Republican base of states rights by not directly interfering, but now the individual city police departments are the ones responsible for controlling the chaos and get blamed.
 
but now the individual city police departments
That isn't necessarily fair to the police departments, often its the city ordering the police to stand down, the police don't have much of a choice. The police are faced with "Look bad but follow orders, or go rough which also looks bad"
 
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