Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Burd Turglar]

Is it though? I don't disagree with you about the actual definition about the word 'gentrification', but the way it's used in a contemporary sense always seems to be heavily implied that it's about white people. The same way that 'sexism' is generally aimed at men or 'racism' is implied to be a white thing (to the point where many people, including whites say 'reverse racism' when it's a brown/black person doing the racist thing).


We have this here in Canada too, particularly on the west coast of course like the LA situation.

I mean you're not wrong dude, it is typically shitty white trust funders who win when it comes to the gentrification of these art districts and the funny thing is none of them would step foot in these areas pre gentrification. As for the rest of your statement about racism and sexism, there's a reason I no longer count myself amongst the current iteration of "democrats" or "liberals". We've lost all sense of reality and language and live in a clown world.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

I gotta say, the simping for fauci is amazing. I realized the people disagreing with jordan likes to spell his name as "gym" like it's an insult of any kind

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Got the PCR (swab) test today.

Really wasn't that bad, felt like I had to sneeze for a few moments then it was over quick.
Don't understand the fear-mongering THIS IS WHAT YOU WILL HAVE TO TAKE IF YOU NO WEAR MASK!11

Isn't bitching about gentrification usually just code for being mad that white people are moving into the area?

TBF I know of at least one town in South Carolina that was 10 years ago full of decrepit houses, trailer parks and a Family Dollar with a good amount of Vanilla Joggers hooked on Oxy and blaming Sherman for their lot in life.
Now its a quaint little riverfront by-way with restored historic buildings and family-owned businesses, and the Family Dollar has been driven out of city limits.

This post was the worst prophecy ever - I've been frequenting a (family-owned) restaurant in a university neighbourhood for a decade now and they've announced that they're shuttering permanently because the campus has been "remote learning" since March and will do so until at least till the end of the calendar year. Fuck fake China virus in the goddamn pussy.

I know.
I'm kind of dreading visiting friends in Baton Rouge when this is all over because 3/4ths of my favorite places inside the city limits rely largely on the tens of thousands of LSU students and recent grads to stay afloat.

Closures in Georgia haven't been too bad, but we dont have big colleges down here on the coast and we were only under lockdown for two weeks.

 

[knobslobbin]

The (((mayor of Anchorage))) just extended our mask order for another month, and reclosed bars and restaurants for dine in for a month. Fuck this prick.

Luckily there are nearby towns that aren't under the liberal panic. I will never live in a blue area ever again as long as I live.

 

[Vault Boy]

The (((mayor of Anchorage))) just extended our mask order for another month, and reclosed bars and restaurants for dine in for a month. Fuck this prick.

Luckily there are nearby towns that aren't under the liberal panic. I will never live in a blue area ever again as long as I live.

It's fucking Alaska, is there honestly any danger of crowds spreading that shit?

Christ, governors might as well tell small business owners to get fucked on a railroad spike, it would at least be honest.

 

[StarkRavingMad]

Firstly, I watched parts of the Dr. Fauci hearing. As expected, he made my blood absolutely boil.

If the virus is SO horrible that we all need to wear goggles, then what the fuck was he even doing at the Washington Nationals ballgame last week without said-gear (nevermind he didn't even wear his cloth mask properly and did fuck-all to social distance)? Also, his complete loss of words when the riots were brought up. His silence said everything in terms of where his political motivations are.

Fuck Dr. Fauci. If I read tomorrow that he tests positive and is in critical condition, I will not shed a single tear. You get what you fucking deserve.

Also, am I the only one who thinks it's good news that this virus is incredibly likely to become endemic (if it hasn't already)? That means this thing is going to eventually mutate into something not nearly as severe in the long run, because lord knows that a vaccine is pretty much useless at this point considering the different strains that have happened already. It's taking a long time to mutate, though, because of these goddamn shutdowns. As I stated in a previous post pages and pages ago, studies have shown that SARS and MERS mutated every couple of hours, whereas COVID-19 mutates every 60-something days (which is far too slow). I totally blame the global-scale shutdowns for slowing this down far too much.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

Also, am I the only one who thinks it's good news that this virus is incredibly likely to become endemic (if it hasn't already)? That means this thing is going to eventually mutate into something not nearly as severe in the long run, because lord knows that a vaccine is pretty much useless at this point considering the different strains that have happened already. It's taking a long time to mutate, though, because of these goddamn shutdowns. As I stated in a previous post pages and pages ago, studies have shown that SARS and MERS mutated every couple of hours, whereas COVID-19 mutates every 60-something days (which is far too slow). I totally blame the global-scale shutdowns for slowing this down far too much.

Other way around.

Alright let me explain this. RNA viruses mutate all the fucking time because they don't have the same ability to error-check transcription that other things do. Most of these mutations result in a failed virus that can't replicate, but they're shoving out billions of virons so it doesn't matter.

The actual selection pressure is based entirely on making more of the virus. When you see a different strain, that's because it was more successful at either replication or transmission. Within a host, the virus strain who replicates more will enter more cells and there's a cascade effect. That's virulence. On the other hand you've got transmission, where it spreads from host to host. Higher virulence tends to decrease spread because it murders the host so quickly (although there are outliers like norovirus.)

So it's a balancing act based on selection pressure. Now, when it's very easy for a virus to spread because everyone is hanging out and stacked up on each other (cough it's China) then there's no care about transmissability. It's really easy for a virus to spread itself around. Instead it's virulence that gets selected for. So the lockdowns likely prevented a worse mutation from forming.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Also, am I the only one who thinks it's good news that this virus is incredibly likely to become endemic (if it hasn't already)? That means this thing is going to eventually mutate into something not nearly as severe in the long run, because lord knows that a vaccine is pretty much useless at this point considering the different strains that have happened already. It's taking a long time to mutate, though, because of these goddamn shutdowns. As I stated in a previous post pages and pages ago, studies have shown that SARS and MERS mutated every couple of hours, whereas COVID-19 mutates every 60-something days (which is far too slow). I totally blame the global-scale shutdowns for slowing this down far too much.

That mutates way slower than most Flu strains IIRC.

Which is admittedly good news for vaccine development, but also bad news for "muh no natural immunity" argument.

So the lockdowns likely prevented a worse mutation from forming.

You're information in the rest of the post isn't wrong but this is just way off the mark.
1) The aforementioned mutation rate of COVID and extended time for natural selection to kick in (just because a beneficial mutation occurs, doesn't mean it suddenly and automatically dominates the gene pool)
2) Households. You might have a point if every American lived in 1-person studio apartments, but that's just not the case. With households locked down together it still has an abundance of targets to select for virulence and few targets to select for transmission. Worse yet it doesn't help that activities that are environmentally harder for viruses to transmitted (i.e. a hot, dry, saline beach) were banned/discouraged while grocery stores with temperature and moisture control were still allowed.

Now if it could/does mutate fast enough for the lockdowns to have any effect (which maybe I'm approaching this with Eukaryote/Vertebrate bias) then the lockdowns still wouldn't help because then a tiny segment of the good little lemmings would be locking themselves in with the virulent-selected strains; while a tiny segment of the angry contrarians would be going outside and exposing themselves to the transmission-selected strains.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

2) Households. You might have a point if every American lived in 1-person studio apartments, but that's just not the case. With households locked down together it still has an abundance of targets to select for virulence and few targets to select for transmission. Worse yet it doesn't help that activities that are environmentally harder for viruses to transmitted (i.e. a hot, dry, saline beach) were banned/discouraged while grocery stores with temperature and moisture control were still allowed.

You're still only gonna transmit it to a few people within your household. Unless you're Hispanic and live in a multi-generational household and keep throwing parties. Gee, I wonder why COVID-19 is spreading so fast in areas with a high Hispanic population. Nobody talks about that though despite it being very fucking obvious to anyone who treats COVID-19 patients.

Otherwise it's mostly shit like sporting events that I would be concerned about. Or big arena concerts. Or hell, even the BLM protests. Just things where everyone's yelling and in close proximity with one another.

 

[Driftwood]

Point is if COVID-19 is to be a success in nature, the pressure is on to transmit without maiming or killing the host in such a way widespread transmission is not possible. So far COVID-19 does not seem to be a complete retard like Ebola in this regard and even if it became that, we are not supposed to be more retarded than the disease. We can quickly ID, contain, eradidicate it as soon as it goes full retard. Yes a few might die. I could be that person, but my life is not worth millions, no matter how highly I regard myself.

 

[Friendly_AI]

Here comes Sputnik....

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There was also this: Scientists in Russia and USA signed an agreement for collaborative studies of Covid-19

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Also, now Minzdrav (Ministry of Health) says they will vaccinate everyone for free starting this October (but just in Moscow as of now). They also mentioned that clinical studies for a drug (not sure if they are talking about vaccine or about treatment for Covid in general) are now completed:

Archive: https://archive.vn/692kT

 

[he who has thus come/gone]

There was also this: Scientists in Russia and USA signed an agreement for collaborative studies of Covid-19
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Also, now Minzdrav (Ministry of Health) says they will vaccinate everyone for free starting this October (but just in Moscow as of now). They also mentioned that clinical studies for one of the drugs (not sure if they are talking about vaccine or about treatment for Covid in general) are now completed:
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So we can use Russia as a free testing ground for more accurate info about vaccination research and efficacy?

Godspeed, my Muscovite brethren. Salvete and valete.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

Point is if COVID-19 is to be a success in nature, the pressure is on to transmit without maiming or killing the host in such a way widespread transmission is not possible. So far COVID-19 does not seem to be a complete retard like Ebola in this regard and even if it became that, we are not supposed to be more retarded than the disease. We can quickly ID, contain, eradidicate it as soon as it goes full retard. Yes a few might die. I could be that person, but my life is not worth millions, no matter how highly I regard myself.

Or be a completely retarded disease like HIV/AIDS (uncommon/unlikely transmission with high lethality), and survive off of pure luck.

You're still only gonna transmit it to a few people within your household.

But its still keeping the virulent strains alive, while keeping the transmissible strains suppressed.

(Again, of course, assuming the virus actually mutates fast enough and natural selection applies soon enough for it to make any difference at all)

 

[DrearyDoomguy]

So we can use Russia as a free testing ground for more accurate info about vaccination research and efficacy?

Godspeed, my Muscovite brethren. Salvete and valete.

I'm pretty skeptical of the idea that Russia is going to produce a vaccine quicker than the finest minds in America without significantly greater risk of the final product being a dud. But if they manage to pull it off it's going to be interesting to see how many countries suddenly find themselves pressured to reduce their sanctions on Russia in exchange for a piece of that action.

 

[Driftwood]

Or be a completely retarded disease like HIV/AIDS (uncommon/unlikely transmission with high lethality)

HIV takes a very long time to kill. It is an intermediate virus, I would say. However, we did not shut down society over it and developed defences against it to the point no one really concerns themselves with it anymore. For example, what is a worse consequence of broken condom? A baby or AIDS? Again, in my eyes I just do not understand this COVID-19 panic shit. It just is not that bad.

 

[Cold Root Beer]

Well, after 140 days of lockdown my part of the world has finally allowed the gyms and offices to reopen. The relief and relaxation I felt being able to resume my form of therapy (peaceful hour long walk through the suburbs to and from the gym in the evening, and an hour of lifting weights in the gym) made all my anger and worry about the lockdown shit they put us through just disappear.

So the good news is that when they end the bullshit in your part of the world, the relief you feel will let you put your negative feelings behind you, but the bad side is that it means that a lot of normies (like me) will be so relieved that the lockdown is over that they won't punish the people who put us under lockdown in the first place. Unless they re-lockdown in my part of the world, I probably won't be posting much in this thread anymore. So to all the people stuck in lockdown still, I want to wish you the best of luck and I want you to stay strong. This shit ends eventually and we're all going to make it.

 

[It's HK-47]

For fuck's sake lol

 

[DNA_JACKED]

I know that, but this clamped down social distancing is a bridge too far even for a "New Normal" and even the bigwigs have to know this.

Post-9/11, the TSA became the new normal but it was only a nuisance for people that did air travel.

But this is more or less affecting everyone in the country and is far more debilitating on a psychological and economic level, it cannot be sustained long-term without a complete and total breakdown.

This "new normal" lockdown shit is a political bargaining tool, and it will likely end by November, no matter who wins the election. Given how the MSM is, I wouldn't be surprised if a vaccine is announced and the narrative shifts yet again in the event of a Biden win.

If Trump somehow wins, then the lockdowns will loosen up slowly and mainly linger in the blue strongholds for a little longer until the economic burden becomes too much for these states

My grandmother and I talked of this over lunch this week, we are in agreement that this will totally disappear by march of 2021. After november 4th there will be no political angle for them to play, and by march the tax season will be well under way and it will be painfully obvious how little money the state will have, and once they have to cut their precious programs and *GASP* their own wages, suddenly coronavirus will be no big deal, GET OUT THERE AND CONSUME CITIZEN.

Talking to my more sensible coworkers and friends, shockingly, most of them have also come to the same conclusion, or similarly believe that tax time will make this all go away if the politics doesnt.

The ideal way to survive COVID-19 is to do the following things:

• High blood pressure, obesity, type 2 diabetes? Get rid of it. Exercise and lose the pounds.
• Top off on Vitamin C and D. Get adequate sun exposure.
• Eat a balanced diet that includes the full range of micronutrients, but especially dietary nitrate.

The lockdowns could actually be having an adverse affect by reducing people's sun exposure and making them sedentary, both of which increase the severity of COVID-19.

Gonna correct you here: dont constantly take vitamin C. It is water soluble, taking it when you are not actively sick will not help you. Worse, long term dosing of vitamin C can cause kidney problems, kidney stones, and cardiovascular system damage.

Take your vitamin D, as that is fat soluble and your body will store it, but dont take vit C tablets unless you are actively sick and can use it within a 8-12 hour period.

Otherwise you are 100% correct. Coronavirus is really only bad because so many americans are totally out of shape. This virus really shows just how bead most people's health truly is, masked with our miracle medications and caloric availability allowing us to push through the pain for YEARS. A virus doesnt give a shit though, and corona is infectious enough to make this blatantly obvious to anyone paying attention.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

HIV takes a very long time to kill. It is an intermediate virus, I would say. However, we did not shut down society over it and developed defences against it to the point no one really concerns themselves with it anymore. For example, what is a worse consequence of broken condom? A baby or AIDS? Again, in my eyes I just do not understand this COVID-19 panic shit. It just is not that bad.

AIDS.
Like without a doubt.

Continuation of your genetic lineage is the end goal for 99.99% of all living things.
An infectious disease which slowly erodes your immune system is not.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

HIV takes a very long time to kill. It is an intermediate virus, I would say. However, we did not shut down society over it and developed defences against it to the point no one really concerns themselves with it anymore. For example, what is a worse consequence of broken condom? A baby or AIDS? Again, in my eyes I just do not understand this COVID-19 panic shit. It just is not that bad.

If we responded to AIDS like we responded to COVID-19, we would've closed down every single gay bar and bathhouse, made fornication, homosexuality, and adultery a crime (where it already wasn't illegal), and made it illegal to have sex without a condom except for the explicit purpose of procreation (at the behest of condom companies, just like how you better believe the companies selling masks and Big Pharma in general have their fingers in the pie).