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Yeah, but when an 85 year old who dies of pneumonia but also tested positive for strep throat we don't lockdown the entire country and make people wear masks to stop the spread of strep.

With this new data (as we all suspected), these deaths would've happened whether COVID19 emerged or not.

But nothing will change with this new information because these government over-reaches and lockdown measures were never really about "flattening the curb" (it was just the excuse).
Over 700,000 people have died of HIV/AIDS in the US. Nobody did shit... In fact, we have 'HIV POSITIVE!' campaigns to normalize pozzed people.

I'd like to see a 'COVID-19 POSITIVE!' campaign from the leftys. Never gonna happen. They need this crisis.
Coof is bad, but shutting down the country was a political move.
 
A more useful metric would be "how many people died OF covid (including those who had comorbidities that'd make them more likely to die)" vs. "how many people died WITH covid (i.e., died of something unrelated to the infection or comorbidities that were exacerbated, but tested positive for covid)". But we don't have those numbers because as has been stated in the thread already they're being marked as one and the same.
 
A more useful metric would be "how many people died OF covid (including those who had comorbidities that'd make them more likely to die)" vs. "how many people died WITH covid (i.e., died of something unrelated to the infection or comorbidities that were exacerbated, but tested positive for covid)". But we don't have those numbers because as has been stated in the thread already they're being marked as one and the same.
It's especially annoying because it turns any argument about the "true/accurate number" of Covid-19 deaths into a massive clusterfuck.
 
Kinda knew about this when I found out that the government defines COVID deaths as not what they actually died of. Someone in hospice care had COVID when they died? Then they died of COVID and not from whatever reason they were in hospice to begin with.

It's really fucked up because, while it's obviously very contagious and seems to leave behind lingering side effects (I've heard of people still suffering weeks after from shortness of breath, low grade fevers, memory loss, cardiac issues- all sorts of issues), we don't know the full size of the situation due to this doublespeak. Hell, even I wonder sometimes if I caught it and never realized until I noticed that I've been sweating and feeling more congested than normal, but I don't know because I don't meet the criteria to get tested.

We still have to wear the goddamn masks because it's mandatory at work, even though everyone thinks it's blown out of proportion and we're out of class until spring because they decided science majors don't need lab time and half the class withdrew due to failing grades because that type of learning doesn't translate well online. What a shitshow 2020's been...
 
You still haven't addressed the double standard you tried to pull here.

And "muh Facebook sports doctor" was already addressed by this poster here:

You just mumbled about how all that was already addressed by muh Facebook doctor when it really wasn't.

Reading the writings of muh Facebook sports doctor again, especially this part:



All I can say right now is:


Saying that one does not die *solely* of a disease because that disease causes symptoms (which is something diseases cause by nature) is frankly asinine, and likely betrays a fundamental lack of genuine medical knowledge.

Also, correlation does not necessarily mean (direct) causation. There may be cases where the coronavirus more-or-less directly caused the body to start failing, there may also be cases where the coronavirus simply exacerbated problems that were already there, likely due to the high-risk factors (the aforementioned "preexisting obesity, uncontrolled diabetes, poorly controlled asthma or other chronic lung disease that could lead to respiratory failure because the lungs are already fragile, as a few examples").

Then again, we're assuming this guy is genuine and not just LARPing (how the fuck did you find him anyway).

Are you really saying that only 6% of people that died, died only from covid, because of that misinterpreted data? I am not sure what you are trying to argue here.
 
There was rumors early on that it fucks with your fertility if you're a guy - no idea if it's true, though.



They're trying to outlaw it by regulating it to death SUPER FUCKING QUICKLY.
  • You aren't allowed to hire a tutor for your kids
  • You aren't allowed to have more than 5 kids in a room at the same time homeschooling
  • A parent MUST be in attendance at all times
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At the one hand, it's avoiding people just creating schools and calling them homeschooling pods. On the other, it's also them very blatantly working to hamstring homeschooling to "some tradcon wife and her 1-3 kids being raised to be stupid rednecks because fuck non-liberals."
That's insane. Hired tutors have existed for thousands of years. How are you supposed to teach advanced topics without a tutor? Hold a five minute class, adjourn for the day, then bring in the tutor for a few hours of after-school coaching?

When it gets to court, what will be the government's rational basis for not letting parents hire tutors for their children?
Well that's some stupid bullshit. It's like how schools hold back the smart kids from "getting ahead" because Timmy the retard can't stop picking his butt long enough to study.
Also, on the topic of "pods" and "fairness". Has anyone else seen this stupid thing?
Like, boo fucking hoo. I'm sorry but your kids are not my kids and I'm sick of the media acting like we're in national agreement that children are group property.
 
No I'm not. That is a dumb strawman. Try again.

Then why are you defending their posts, unless it's just because you are trying to have this autistic "GOTCHA!" because you and I have different political views. The fact remains that if you can't see the difference between scientific claims needing to be peer-reviewed versus interpreting a chart to be "peer reviewed", you are seriously stupider than I thought.
 
Wasn't this the case everywhere? Mostly elderly and severely ill people die of COVID-19, like in Italy, where more people get to live to 90? This shit is news on account how media handles it.
It's always been "you don't want Grandma and Grandpa to die, do you?", not "SPANISH FLU AND EBOLA IN ONE NEAT PACKAGE" where I live.

Anyway, I smell (((shenanigans))).
You're the first person I've seen mention grandpa in all this since nobody likes to bring up grandpas like they don't exist
 
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Then why are you defending their posts, unless it's just because you are trying to have this autistic "GOTCHA!" because you and I have different political views
Defending who's posts? @round robin? I just brought him up as an example of someone who already addressed "Muh Facebook Sports Doctor". The rest had nothing much to do with defending anyone's posts.

It's hilarious that you're talking about "autistic gotchas" when you've admitted multiple times that you're posting in A&N mainly in order to "trigger the right-wingers".

The fact remains that if you can't see the difference between scientific claims needing to be peer-reviewed versus interpreting a chart to be "peer reviewed", you are seriously stupider than I thought.
No, that wasn't my argument. I don't know if you're deliberately being obtuse, or are just incapable of comprehending, but my point was that you can't ask people for peer-reviewed sources for their claims, then go around and use sources that almost certainly aren't peer reviewed themselves.

Some random Facebook user you found claiming to be a "sports doctor" that says the figures have been misinterpreted (whilst getting the basic cause-and-effect of how diseases work wrong) is not anything resembling a "peer reviewed source", and this "he's just interpreting a chart" argument is a moronic deflection from that. If we can just default to "it's just the interpretation of a chart", without the need for peer review, then this shit about "scientific claims" is arbitrary and meaningless, since anyone can interpret a chart.

I'm also pretty sure that in hard science circles, even the interpretation of charts (among other things) is peer reviewed to weed out any errors in the interpretation.
 
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So were the 6% CDC statistics a forgery or what? I'm having trouble keeping up with who's lying to whomst.

No, they're probably correct. COVID-19 has a number of very specific risk factors. All of these enhance the severity of the illness; old age, obesity, hypertension, diabetes, hypovitaminosis D, low quantity of nitrates in diet, blood type A, and African-American race.

As I've mentioned before, one of the primary ways that COVID-19 causes damage is by choking off the body's supply of nitric oxide. There are numerous papers that point to this being the case.


Physiological NO signaling is a key determinant of endothelial function, metabolic and vascular health. It is major regulator of vascular tone and has antioxidant, antiinflammatory and antithrombotic activities [6]. Endothelial dysfunction leads to a shift of endothelial cell actions by various chemokines, cytokines and other factors and finally induces proinflammatory, proliferative and prothrombotic status [7], [8].

Previous studies have shown that age is the most significant predictor of the endothelium dependent vasodilatation and NO availability progressively declines with aging [9], [10], [11], [12] (Fig. 1 ). The vascular changes associated with essential hypertension, such as endothelial dysfunction, are generally considered to be an accelerated form of changes seen in aging [12].


Martel and colleagues provide a thoughtful review on strategies to increase airway nitric oxide to treat and possibly prevent Covid-19 [1]. However, it is becoming apparent that the clinical presentation of Covid-19 begins with acute respiratory distress in the lungs that moves quickly to vascular networks throughout the gut, kidney, heart, and brain with associated platelet-endothelial dysfunction and abnormally rapid life-threatening blood clotting [2]. SARS-CoV-2 is emerging as a thrombotic and vascular disease targeting endothelial cells throughout the body and is particularly evident in patients with cardiometabolic comorbidities, in particular hypertension, with associated endothelial dysfunction [3].

A hallmark of endothelial dysfunction and thrombotic events is suppressed endothelial nitric oxide synthase (eNOS) with concomitant nitric oxide deficiency. In healthy vessels, the endothelium releases the vasodilator and antithrombotic factor, nitric oxide. Whereas in injured vessels, nitric oxide is impaired contributing to hypertension and thrombus formation [4].

Nitric oxide is a gas with a bunch of different functions in the body. It acts as a biological signaling molecule and it only lasts for about 2 to 6 seconds in the body before it reacts with something and disappears. Because of its short lifespan, it cannot be stored; it must be synthesized by an enzyme called nitric oxide synthase.


Nitric oxide synthases (EC 1.14.13.39) (NOSs) are a family of enzymes catalyzing the production of nitric oxide (NO) from L-arginine. NO is an important cellular signaling molecule. It helps modulate vascular tone, insulin secretion, airway tone, and peristalsis, and is involved in angiogenesis and neural development. It may function as a retrograde neurotransmitter. Nitric oxide is mediated in mammals by the calcium-calmodulin controlled isoenzymes eNOS (endothelial NOS) and nNOS (neuronal NOS). The inducible isoform, iNOS, involved in immune response, binds calmodulin at physiologically relevant concentrations, and produces NO as an immune defense mechanism, as NO is a free radical with an unpaired electron. It is the proximate cause of septic shock and may function in autoimmune disease.

NOS catalyzes the reaction:[2]

  • 2 L-arginine + 3 NADPH + 3 H+ + 4 O2
    \rightleftharpoons
    2 citrulline +2 nitric oxide + 4 H2O + 3 NADP+
NOS isoforms catalyze other leak and side reactions, such as superoxide production at the expense of NADPH. As such, this stoichiometry is not generally observed, and reflects the three electrons supplied per NO by NADPH.

NOSs are unusual in that they require five cofactors. Eukaryotic NOS isozymes are catalytically self-sufficient. The electron flow in the NO synthase reaction is: NADPHFADFMNhemeO2. Tetrahydrobiopterin provides an additional electron during the catalytic cycle which is replaced during turnover. NOS is the only known enzyme that binds flavin adenine dinucleotide (FAD), flavin mononucleotide (FMN), heme, tetrahydrobiopterin (BH4) and calmodulin.[citation needed]

L-arginine and NADPH are necessary components of the catalysis. If you're African-American, you're going to have lower levels of vitamin D from sunlight (more unregulated NADPH oxidase activity, and more production of superoxide free radicals) as well as less L-arginine for the nitric oxide synthase reaction. This leads to higher levels of oxidative stress and vascular dysfunction. African-Americans have substantially higher rates of hypertension, obesity, diabetes, et cetera, partly because of diet, but also because of these genetic differences. COVID-19 preys on this specific difference.


Anyway, back to nitric oxide. As a small gaseous molecule, it can pass right through cell membranes and it is responsible for regulating various processes in the body.



Nitric Oxide Functions
NO is a potent signaling molecule, a key determinant of endothelial function, metabolic and vascular health, also affecting the nervous and immune systems. Protective effects occur at pico- to nanomolar NO concentrations. At higher concentrations, NO and its derivatives become cytotoxic.

Mitochondria
NO effects on mitochondria have considerable implications for cell physiology and cell death. Mitochondria are primary cellular targets for NO.
mtNOS is linked to mitochondria at several sites of the mitochondrial electron transport chain (ETC), most notably at Complex I (NADH dehydrogenase) [11] and Complex IV (cytochrome c oxidase, CcOX) [12].
mtNOS is highly activated by activation of the ETC and Complex I, which serves as its source of electrons to produce NO. Conversely, inactivation of Complex I terminates normal mtNOS activity [11].
Metabolism
mtNOS-derived NO effectively controls mitochondrial respiration, O2 consumption, transmembrane proton gradient and potential and adenosine triphosphate (ATP) synthesis [12].
Acutely, NO reduces mitochondrial oxidative metabolism [13]:
(1) Physiologic NO levels acutely and reversibly bind to and inhibit several ETC complexes, the most sensitive target being Complex IV [12]. The result is a transient NO-induced reduction of mitochondrial respiration with partial mitochondrial membrane depolarization [14]. Since mtNOS derives its electrons from Complex I, there is reciprocal regulation between mtNOS and the mitochondrial ETC [11].
(2) Very high NO levels, generated upon inflammatory iNOS induction, compete with O2, engendering NO-dependent hypoxia (‘nitroxia’) [15]. Nitroxia promotes the generation of high levels of reactive oxygen species (ROS)/reactive nitrogen species (RNS) [12]. NO/RNS can then shut down mitochondrial respiration at multiple sites by irreversibly inhibiting ETC complexes at the expense of ATP production, with cytotoxic effect [16].
Chronically, NO increases cellular oxidative metabolism [13]:
(1) NO-guanylate cyclase signaling increases mitochondrial biogenesis in diverse cell types. NO increases sirtuin-1 expression [17], and, with 5′-AMP-activated protein kinase (AMPK)-α1, synergistically upregulates peroxisome proliferator-activated receptor-γ coactivator (PGC)-1α, a master regulator of mitochondriogenesis [13].
ATP formation via mitochondrial oxidative phosphorylation increases in association with the NO/cGMP-stimulated increase in mitochondrial content [13] in a variety of tissues.
(2) NO modulates mitochondrial content and total-body energy balance in response to physiological stimuli, such as exercise or cold exposure, functioning as a unifying molecular switch to trigger the entire mitochondriogenic process [13].
Reactive Oxygen Species
Mitochondria are the main intracellular source of ROS. Normal oxidative phosphorylation continually produces low ROS/RNS levels, as several ETC redox centers leak electrons to partially reduce O2 to the superoxide anion [18]. Between 0.4 and 4% of O2 consumed is converted to superoxide.
The mitochondrial membrane potential is the principal parameter regulating ROS production [18]. Since physiologic NO lowers this potential, NO reduces ROS production [12]. However, disturbed mtNOS function, excessive or deficient NO and dysregulation of NO signaling pathways increase ROS/RNS production while lowering antioxidant levels [19].
Efficient Mitochondria
Any increase in energy demand is matched by a coordinated rise in oxidative metabolism, which increases mitochondrial membrane potential and thus ROS generation.
It is paradoxical that NO/cGMP signaling decreases oxidative metabolism in any single mitochondrion while increasing cellular mitochondrial function. However, in the process, NO/cGMP renders mitochondria ‘efficient’, with an organized ETC that generates sufficient ATP, while lowering oxygen consumption, mitochondrial potential and ROS production.
The result is of major benefit. Exercise training increases energy demand but also stimulates NO, since NO couples demand with cellular and total-body energy generation [20]. Instead of the expected ROS increase, oxidative stress is reduced due to ‘efficient’ mitochondria, forestalling ROS-induced cellular aging by protecting the integrity of mitochondria, telomeres or the endoplasmic reticulum.
Mitochondrial Calcium
Mitochondrial energy homeostasis responds to changes in mitochondrial Ca2+. Key mitochondrial enzymes, as in the tricarboxylic acid cycle, are upregulated by higher intramitochondrial Ca2+, enhancing the provision of reducing equivalents to the ETC and increasing mitochondrial potential and ATP generation [16].
Cytoplasmic Ca2+ signals correspond to higher energy demand from secretory, contractile or other work. Thus, a primary function for mitochondrial Ca2+ uptake appears to be the Ca2+-dependent coordination of mitochondrial energy production with cellular energy consumption.
Ca2+ uptake into mitochondria is partly driven by the mitochondrial membrane potential. Excessive mitochondrial Ca2+ accumulation is implicated in disease.
Lowering the mitochondrial potential limits mitochondrial Ca2+. Such conditions not only lower mitochondrial metabolic activity but also protect against deleterious Ca2+ overload [16].
NO/cGMP reduces the mitochondrial potential, thereby decreasing mitochondrial Ca2+[14]. In fact, NO provides negative feedback on mitochondrial Ca2+ uptake: whereas higher mitochondrial Ca2+ activates mtNOS, increasing NO inhibits respiration, lowering the mitochondrial potential and further limiting Ca2+ uptake [14].
Cell Protection
Ischemic preconditioning provides powerful cardioprotection against myocardial ischemia-reperfusion injury. Physiologic NO levels are involved in cytoprotective effects of early and late preconditioning. Not only eNOS-, but also exogenous nitrate-donor-derived NO can effect endothelial and myocardial cytoprotection [21].
NO/cGMP may protect against mitochondrial permeability transition and apoptosis induced by manifold insults. Through its interaction with ETC components, such as CcOX, NO affects low-level ROS generation and other mitochondrial defense mechanisms, thereby triggering adaptive cell survival signaling [15,21].
Cell Death
High NO concentrations are cytotoxic:
(1) Excessive NO and RNS, such as peroxynitrite, may cause tyrosine nitration of mitochondrial components and play a key role in apoptosis [19].
(2) NO-derived ROS/RNS signaling, mitochondrial permeability transition or DNA damage may activate mitochondrial pathways to apoptosis or necrosis.
(3) The irreversible inhibition of mitochondrial respiration at multiple sites by excessive NO can inhibit apoptosis and induce necrosis via energy depletion. The ensuing profound mitochondrial failure contributes to the insidious, progressive and fatal end-organ failure of sepsis, associated with signs of accelerated and refractory anaerobic metabolism [22].
Skeletal Muscle
NO signaling in skeletal muscle is implicated in the control of multiple functions, including
• muscle metabolism,
• excitation-contraction coupling and contractility,
• immune function,
• cell growth and
• neurotransmission.
Metabolically active skeletal muscle is the most abundant tissue, constituting approximately 40% of normal-weight body mass, rendering it a critical factor in total-body metabolism [23]. Skeletal muscle NOS thus plays a pivotal role in total-body glucose and lipid homeostasis.
Glucose
Higher skeletal muscle NOS expression and activity improve insulin action via NO/cGMP/cGK signaling [23].
Insulin sensitivity is enhanced
• indirectly as NO increases
– skeletal muscle microvascular perfusion, delivering nutrients and insulin to target tissues [23],
– antioxidant and anti-inflammatory actions,
– the synthesis of insulin-sensitizing adiponectin;
• directly as NO/cGK blocks the inhibitory interaction of the small GTPase Rho/Rho kinase with insulin receptor substrate (IRS)-1 [24].
In contrast, excessive proinflammatory iNOS/NO induction impairs myocyte insulin sensitivity via prooxidant pathways.
Glucose uptake and myocyte intracellular energy stores are also stimulated by NO/cGMP/cGK signaling and NOS-derived ROS via mechanisms that are distinct from, but additive to, contraction-, insulin-, AMPK- or p38 MAPK-dependent glucose uptake pathways [23,25].
NO stimulates glucose oxidation in skeletal and cardiac muscle, liver and adipose tissue via cGMP-dependent mechanisms.
Fatty Acids
Increased physiologic NO/cGMP signaling enhances fatty acid catabolism [13]. It accelerates adipocyte lipolysis while stimulating fatty acid oxidation in skeletal and cardiac muscle via AMPK activation and PGC-1α expression [26].
Oxygen Consumption
NO reduces myocyte energy demand [23] by
• reducing contractility. NO reduces myofilament Ca2+ sensitivity through nitrosation of target proteins, depressing submaximal and isometric skeletal muscle force, shortening contraction velocity and accelerating relaxation;
• downregulating metabolism. NO lowers glycolysis. It reduces mitochondrial respiration, the breakdown of creatine phosphate and the transfer of high-energy phosphates.
Contractile Dysfunction
Cardiac pump failure is a life-threatening response to severe inflammation in myocarditis, heart transplant rejection, sepsis or trauma. Excessive myocardial iNOS/NO/cGMP/cGK induction has a profound negative inotropic effect [27] as it
• inhibits aerobic enzymes, including CcOX,
• depresses cAMP levels, thereby reducing Ca2+ influx through L-type Ca2+ channels and
• phosphorylates troponin I, lowering myofilament Ca2+ sensitivity.
Myocyte Loss
Human diseases, ranging from heart failure to cancer, induce skeletal muscle catabolism via proinflammatory induction of excessive iNOS/NO, which impairs myocyte differentiation and is associated with myocyte apoptosis. There is also a significant association between iNOS abundance, cardiomyocyte apoptosis and cardiomyopathy.
Vasculature
Vascular NO is produced by endothelial cells.
Vasodilation
NO is the most potent endogenous vasodilator, predominantly of conduit vessels rather than the microvasculature.
NO/cGMP/cGK signaling accomplishes vasodilation through
• the autocrine increase of NO and BH4 within the endothelium [9],
• the paracrine relaxation of subjacent vascular smooth muscle cells (VSMCs) by
(1) lowering cytoplasmic Ca2+ concentrations and
(2) reducing myofibrillar Ca2+ sensitivity [9,24].
NO mediates flow-mediated vasodilation and opposes vasoconstrictor effects. It counteracts vascular stiffness and lowers blood pressure. NO is a critical modulator of blood flow, vascular tone and blood pressure [28].
Vascular Repair and Angiogenesis
The endothelium is continuously exposed to mechanical, chemical or ischemic insults. At the site of injuries, bone marrow-derived endothelial stem and progenitor cells (EPCs) participate in repair processes, normalizing endothelial function. NO protects the functional ability of EPCs to participate in vascular repair and angiogenesis [29].
Inhibition of Platelet Activation
NO inhibits platelet activation, aggregation and adhesion to the endothelium via cGMP-dependent [9] and -independent mechanisms.
Oxidative Stress
Physiologic NO levels reduce oxidative stress. NO inhibits superoxide production by inactivating NADH/NADPH oxidase. NO increases the endogenous antioxidant potential by inducing endothelial superoxide dismutase (SOD), extracellular SOD in VSMCs, myocardial SOD, mitochondrial S-nitrosoglutathione synthesis [11] and thioredoxin activity [30], thus thwarting oxidative NO inactivation. NO inhibits low-density lipoprotein (LDL) oxidation.
In contrast, induction of high levels of NO/iNOS is highly prooxidant. NO, reacting with superoxide, generates the oxidant anion peroxynitrite (ONOO–):
NO + O2–· →ONOO–
Peroxynitrite engenders lipid peroxidation and nitrosation of amino acid residues, disrupting cell membranes, cell signaling and cell survival [30]. Peroxynitrite also has proinflammatory effects.
Anti-Inflammatory and Antiatherogenic Activities
Physiologic NO levels are anti-inflammatory. By preventing proinflammatory cytokine activation, NO protects blood vessels from endogenous injury, interfering with early and later stages of conduit vessel atherogenesis [28]. NO
• delays endothelial cell senescence and senescence-related proinflammatory signaling,
• reduces endothelial cell apoptosis,
• inhibits the transcription of nuclear factor-ĸB,
• inhibits redox-sensitive, cytokine-induced vascular cell adhesion molecule-1, intracellular adhesion molecule-1 and monocyte chemoattractant protein-1, preventing leukocyte adhesion to the endothelium,
• decreases endothelial permeability, reducing the influx of oxidized lipoproteins into the vascular wall,
• interferes with leukocyte migration into the vascular wall by decreasing the expression of factors, including the surface adhesion molecules CD11/CD18 and P-selectin,
• powerfully inhibits inflammatory cell activation and monocyte activity,
• blocks VSMC migration,
• thwarts VSMC proliferation,
• inhibits the synthesis and secretion of extracellular matrix proteinases, which degrade extracellular matrix proteins,
• increases the expression of tissue inhibitor of matrix metalloproteinases,
• inhibits transforming growth factor-β/Smad-regulated gene transactivation [31,32].
 
What decreases nitric oxide biovailability? Well, that article on nitric oxide mentions a lot of different causes of eNOS dysfunction. Allow me to highlight a few very specific lines from that.

Tumor Necrosis Factor-α. Proinflammatory tumor necrosis factor (TNF)-α downregulates eNOS expression. It inhibits shear stress-mediated NO production. TNF-α and interleukin-1β increase iNOS expression with cross-activation of protein kinase A, downregulating cGK expression. TNF-α increases oxidative stress by increasing NADH/NADPH expression, undermining NO bioavailability [36].

TNF-α inflammation is a distinct component of the cytokine storm of COVID-19.


Angiotensin II. Proinflammatory upregulation of angiotensin II potently increases prooxidant stress through stimulation of vascular/leukocyte NADH/NADPH. It also decreases NO/cGMP/cGK action by stimulating phosphodiesterase (PDE), which increases cGMP hydrolysis, decreasing cGMP/cGK levels and action [9].

SARS-CoV-2 significantly down-regulates ACE2 and up-regulates Angiotensin II.


Endothelin-1. High inflammatory endothelin (ET)-1 levels lower NO production via ET A receptor action. ET-1 also induces endothelial NADH/NADPH, increasing oxidant stress at the expense of NO bioavailability.

Elevated Endothelin-1 is a predictor of severe COVID-19.


Rho/Rho Kinase. Inflammatory cytokines and vasoconstrictors signal via RhoA/Rho kinase. RhoA/Rho kinase suppress both eNOS activity and expression, causing rapid and prolonged reduction of NO production [24].

Rho kinase inhibitors have been considered for treating COVID-19.


Glucocorticoids. Stress activation of cortisol significantly decreases eNOS expression in a dose-dependent manner and reduces agonist-induced NO release. Glucocorticoids also impair BH4 synthesis.

If someone is as severely stressed out as most people living under this pandemic are, then they will have higher cortisol levels and lower eNOS expression.

Insulin Resistance
Under normal physiological circumstances, insulin stimulates NO production in endothelial cells.
Insulin resistance elicits disturbances of intracellular signal transduction that lower NO bioavailability:
impaired phosphatidylinositol 3-kinase-Akt pathway

decreased eNOS activation

decreased NO bioavailability.

If you're diabetic, you have reduced nitric oxide production.

There is another factor to take into account. Nitric oxide may have antiviral effects against SARS-CoV-2 on its own. It was found to inhibit the replication of SARS-CoV:


In summary, COVID-19 isn't killing people with hypertension, diabetes, obesity, African-American race, and old age because of general ill-health. It's killing them because COVID-19 causes more harm to people who have blood vessels with traits that resemble aging.




There are a few ways you can fortify your body against this specific effect of COVID-19. I recommend a diet high in fish and vegetables. Salmon is loaded with Vitamin D, which helps regulate NADPH oxidase and reduces the need for eNOS to compete with it for the supply of NADPH, also reducing oxidative stress in the process. Many people have hypovitaminosis D and don't even realize it. Up to 4,000 IU of vitamin D is generally safe. Too much can cause hypercalcemia. If you don't like fish, then take a supplement. An 8-ounce glass of fortified milk has around 100 IU of Vit. D in it, and it would take a LOT of fortified milk to hit 4,000 IU. A pill is easier.

One other thing I recommend is increasing levels of dietary nitrate, something that people are very deficient in, here in the US. Spinach and beets are a great source.


Vegetables high in nitrate include (1Trusted Source):

  • Celery
  • Cress
  • Chervil
  • Lettuce
  • Beetroot
  • Spinach
  • Arugula

Other factors include arginine, citrulline, and cysteine, all of which increase NO levels and improve vasorelaxation and endothelial health. Foods have the highest level of bioavailability, but it's also possible to get arginine, citrulline, and cysteine in supplement form. Arginine and citrulline are needed for NO synthesis, and N-acetylcysteine can help sustain high NO levels.






As best as I can tell, the reason why COVID-19 is affecting so many people in the US is because we have chronic Vitamin D and dietary nitrate deficiencies and don't even realize it. There are numerous studies that point to this being the case.


Mounting evidence suggests that vitamin D deficiency could be linked to several chronic diseases, including cardiovascular disease and cancer. The purpose of this study was to examine the prevalence of vitamin D deficiency and its correlates to test the hypothesis that vitamin D deficiency was common in the US population, especially in certain minority groups. The National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey 2005 to 2006 data were analyzed for vitamin D levels in adult participants (N = 4495). Vitamin D deficiency was defined as a serum 25-hydroxyvitamin D concentrations ≤20 ng/mL (50 nmol/L). The overall prevalence rate of vitamin D deficiency was 41.6%, with the highest rate seen in blacks (82.1%), followed by Hispanics (69.2%). Vitamin D deficiency was significantly more common among those who had no college education, were obese, with a poor health status, hypertension, low high-density lipoprotein cholesterol level, or not consuming milk daily (all P < .001). Multivariate analyses showed that being from a non-white race, not college educated, obese, having low high-density lipoprotein cholesterol, poor health, and no daily milk consumption were all significantly, independently associated with vitamin D deficiency (all P < .05). In summary, vitamin D deficiency was common in the US population, especially among blacks and Hispanics. Given that vitamin D deficiency is linked to some of the important risk factors of leading causes of death in the United States, it is important that health professionals are aware of this connection and offer dietary and other intervention strategies to correct vitamin D deficiency, especially in minority groups.


The metabolic syndrome is defined as a constellation of interrelated cardiovascular risk factors of metabolic origin, including visceral obesity, dyslipidaemia, hypertension, glucose intolerance and insulin resistance [1]. The metabolic syndrome is highly prevalent in industrial countries worldwide, and it has been reported that, in accordance with the most recent harmonised definition of the metabolic syndrome, 23% of the adult population (≥20 years of age) in the USA suffered from the metabolic syndrome in 2009–2010 [2, 3]. Greater global industrialisation is associated with rising rates of obesity, which are expected to dramatically increase the prevalence of the metabolic syndrome worldwide, especially as the population ages [1]. The metabolic syndrome is associated with increased risks of myocardial infarction, stroke, cardiovascular disease mortality and all-cause mortality [4]. It also confers higher risks of peripheral vascular disease, type 2 diabetes, renal disease, hepatic disease and cancer [5,6,7,8,9]. Several factors, including excessive food energy intake, lack of physical activity, genetic susceptibility and ageing, have been thought to be involved in the pathogenesis of the metabolic syndrome. However, the precise mechanisms in its development remain to be fully elucidated [1].


Vitamin D deficiency is a pandemic disorder affecting over 1 billion of subjects worldwide and displaying a broad spectrum of implications on cardiovascular and inflammatory disorders. Since the initial reports of the association between hypovitaminosis D and COVID-19, Vitamin D has been pointed as a potentially interesting treatment for SARS-CoV-2 infection. We provide an overview on the current status of vitamin D deficiency, the mechanisms of action of vitamin D and the current literature on the topic, with a special focus on the potential implications for COVID-19 pandemic.

Why does this happen in industrialized nations? Well, that's actually quite simple. Modern agriculture has been pushing us towards eating lots of salt, fat, sugar, and refined grains.

This is very, very bad for our health.


Poor diet is predominantly associated with weight gain and obesity; however, the harmful effects do not end there. Animal and human studies indicate that an unhealthy diet can contribute to the development of many diseases, like cardiovascular disease and cancer, and can even affect the brain. In animal models, animals are often fed some type of high-fat, high-sugar diet, referred to as a Western Diet or high-fat sucrose (HFS) diet, to simulate the diet that a typical American consumes. For human studies, the participants often fill out questionnaires about their eating habits and are then placed in groups based on their answers.

As expected, studies in mice and rats show that those following a Western diet tend to gain more weight than those eating standard chow6,7, although the extent of the difference between groups varies between studies; however, this variance could be caused by biological differences between mice and rats. Additionally, these studies administered diets with different fat and sugar compositions and provided varying access to running wheels for exercise.

In addition to weight gain, a Western diet also results in impaired cardiac function in mice, as indicated by changes in contraction and relaxation of the heart6. A Western diet has also been shown to elevate fasting insulin levels in rats and lower insulin sensitivity7. This result suggests that the rats on a Western diet were developing insulin resistance, which is a precursor to type two diabetes. Although these studies were conducted using rodents rather than humans, it is still important to consider the findings, since cardiovascular disease is the leading cause of death in the United States8 and 9% of the population has diabetes

This is a dietary and lifestyle problem. SARS-CoV-2 just happens to take advantage of these problems, leading to more severe illness.
 
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I'm not a doctor, even if I do have a doctorate, but here's how I'd look at those numbers. The 6% represents a floor for the number of "actual COVID deaths." The 180k represents an approximate ceiling (could be untested deaths out there). In between we have murky and highly heterogeneous data being mashed together. "Comorbidities" covers a wide range of issues, and the specifics of those issues should matter to how we consider "cause of death." If someone who was on life support after a mortal gunshot wound tested positive, I'd blame the gunshot wound. If someone with beetus and hypertension died, I'd blame it on the bat, because those conditions aren't themselves fatal. My guess is that the comorbidities from a lifetime of pork rinds are going to make up a decent percentage of the 169.2k. But without doing autopsies on all the dead, I don't think we'll ever know the true number. It's certainly much higher than the 6%, and probably not as high as the official number.
 
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Goddammit the entire point of having a general chat is so that you spergs can take your autistic slapfights over retarded minutiae there.

Nobody cares how you interpret the 6% or how the other guy is wrongthink about it, we can all think for ourselves. Now kith while some poor janny tries to clean up this shat upon thread.
 
Goddammit the entire point of having a general chat is so that you spergs can take your autistic slapfights over retarded minutiae there.

Nobody cares how you interpret the 6% or how the other guy is wrongthink about it, we can all think for ourselves. Now kith while some poor janny tries to clean up this shat upon thread.
We were having this discussion in a different thread, but the jannies moved it here.

I don't think any jannies will be trying to clean this glorified containment thread anytime soon.
 
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