TheAmbiguousLurker
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Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon
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Because some people feel like they need to take a jab at someone that made a well known video relating to the subject. The same thing happens with E;R's video when people criticize or mention LoK.
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I miss when you could be a fan of a character without writing a shitty thesis on how just like you, they were totally raped and the many ways you can project on them. I like Sylvanas because of her cool backstory, her design, and my autistic love for elf characters, undead characters who use dark magic, and ranged/hunter characters. I just don't get this tumblr/Twitter fandom obsession with having to justify how much you like a character because of how much you can relate to their trauma or whatever else you project onto them.
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Personally, I think it's a consequence of people getting so hung up on how relatable the characters are and not whether they're an entertaining character.
thebananaonion
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Fucking ironic considering she hates it when people claim how relatable characters are. Cant for the life of me find the video but she made a point about how fluttersby shouldht be co sidered a relatable character and how characters arent good cuz theyre relatable.
Pisses me off i cant find the video to back myself up here but i remember it clear as day appart from what video its from
Yet here she is, self inserting herself as a lily x sylvanas love child mesh in each one of ber fanfics, twice in some cases and then went on a ramble on how sherelates to sylvanas
Fucking kek
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Does anyone have an archive of more of his old videos besides the partial dailymotion one? I'm looking for his two part RVI he made on Pokemon creepypastas.
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She also has no idea how fascism works, apparently. How does a show where the main characters take down a fascist regime in any way "fascism apologia". I've tried for a while to wrap my head around that one and gotten nowhere.
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I guess it's for people who were okay with deposing Muammar Gadaffi, but took umbrage with torturing him to death afterward.
Lily's so brave for finally calling those people out
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Just part and parcel of why they're such a shitty person and a terrible critic to boot. As an SUfag I could just leave it there but like with any cow that vein of shit runs so much deeper. So, so much deeper.
God I knew I should have saved those Tumblr posts... She was already gearing up to shit on the Owl House if Luz didn't end up confessing her love to Amity and start a uwu lesbian relationship at the seasons finally (she didn't) and, in a rarity for her on Tumblr, got shit on by the community for it. Someone else screencapped that post and made thier own Tumblr post pointing out how stupid Lily was being and it got almost 1,000 likes/ comments/ ect. So Lily, realizing the Owl House doesn't have a "hatedom" yet due to not shitting the bed (it's a not bad in my opinion) retracted her statement and decided to praise the finale despite it being more action & plot oriented and having no hints of lesbianism at all.
Sadly, I didn't save the post pointing out Lily's stupidity and, honestly, I don't think it matters too much. We all know that Lily will jump on the Owl House hate wagon if it goes down the shitter (or even drops a bit in quality), give blind and boring praise if it doesn't, or passive aggressively make "not too damning jabs" at it if she get bored with it it under the guise of "having an opinion" like she does with Gravity Falls or other things generally considered good but aren't to Lily's specific tastes.
Right now I'm just waiting for the semi-envitable fan-fic where she throws in a "bad ass" self-insert that ends up being lesbians with Eda, Lilth, or maybe that weird short octopus girl thing.
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Honestly I've thought the 'Nazi space crystals' interpretation was always inherently disingenuous (it's also a term I only saw after Lily's video, but I'm not part of the SU community so I don't know if she popularized the interpretation (so to speak) or stole it from other people-- given Lily's history and the nature of her fanbase, either is possible). Their literally aliens. Their society is stratified by effectively biological necessity-- different gems are actually made in different quantities and with different abilities and assigned to different tasks according to actual, um... gemological (I guess) necessity. And the Diamonds, being the 'purest' of the gems, would naturally assume based on their own society that their purity was absolute and inarguable.
And of course they need geological resources to continue the species, so they're conquerors. They like collecting 'lesser species' because most of them are -- through Gem society perspective -- objectively inferior. Pink subscribed to the same idea and it was only by experiencing life on a different level that she realized that maybe the Diamond perspective (and the Gem perspective overall) was imperfect. Impure, you might say.
So fighting them, while it might be enough to deflect, wouldn't result in a societal change. It had to be done by showing the Diamonds a different perspective and make them change their minds.
I can't really speak on the actual execution (I only watched a smattering of SU episodes) but given that this was how Gem society was literally explained in some of that smattering I'm baffled that people can't disassociate their human-morality viewpoint and realize that the Gems had their gem-centric morality and that they had to have a conversation in order to make any true difference in their society (and that it's going to take time to make that change after tens of thousands of years of contiguous existence with this naturally imposed societal distribution). Except, having finished that sentence, so many people these days, despite claiming to have so much empathy, are incapable of disassociating from their preconceived assumptions and actually empathizing with other people, so of course they wouldn't understand this core reality.
Which is an inadvertent segue to:
Used to be that if you enjoyed a character, you enjoyed a character. You didn't have to identify or relate to them, and if they were a villain it was pretty well understand that they were charismatic and fun and there was a difference between, say, enjoying Judge Claude Frollo's performance in Hunchback of Notre Dame and, you know, thinking that it was totally acceptable for him to lust for Esmeralda, burn down Paris in a fit of sexual frustration, and also that time he almost threw a baby down a well.
However, a shift occurred at some point in the last several years (probably with the rise of Tumblr), where it became an issue to enjoy things that were 'problematic', even if you didn't actually agree with them. So suddenly people have to twist themselves in knots not to explain why they enjoy a character's performance, but why it's okay for them to enjoy that character. Suddenly every 'problematic' character you like, you have to explain why they're actually in the right. You have to justify their actions, because your enjoyment of them is a direct reflection on you as a person and not, say, just appreciating a good performance or finding a villain charismatic or entertaining.
This kind of coincides with the fact that people's empathy has notably retracted over the years. Now you can't enjoy a character by thinking of things from their point of view and understanding them but still disagreeing. Some people seem to be literally incapable of liking a character that they can't find desperate, tenuous identifiers with because they're no longer capable of leaving their own perspective and thinking "Yeah, I get this guy. He's clearly evil, but he's got a good look and he's fun to watch and he makes sense so I'm enjoying watching this."
I think one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen was a webcomic where a vampire villain was talking to one of the heroes and using kind of misogynist language and metaphor regarding taking over a city. This dude was clearly a villain, he had been established since nearly the start of the arc as a villain, there was no questioning he was a villain and you were supposed to find this monologue uncomfortable and creepy-- and then somebody in the comments started off a huge discussion about how it was 'misogynistic' and 'gross' and basically blamed the comic artist (who was trying to evoke those exact emotions to play up how unseemly this guy was) of being misogynist because he wrote this speech. The artist had to apologize and clarify on the next page in the artist's comments that he didn't agree with the previous page's monologue and was sorry if he offended anybody. Because apparently it is impossible to create a character and not agree with what they say, especially in a context where it's clear you don't agree with what they're saying.
Given that big rant (again, totally not by Lily) about how Lily identifies and relates to Sylvanas, that's pretty funny.
not accusing Rebecca Sugar of being a Nazi sympathizer.
And of course they need geological resources to continue the species, so they're conquerors. They like collecting 'lesser species' because most of them are -- through Gem society perspective -- objectively inferior. Pink subscribed to the same idea and it was only by experiencing life on a different level that she realized that maybe the Diamond perspective (and the Gem perspective overall) was imperfect. Impure, you might say.
So fighting them, while it might be enough to deflect, wouldn't result in a societal change. It had to be done by showing the Diamonds a different perspective and make them change their minds.
I can't really speak on the actual execution (I only watched a smattering of SU episodes) but given that this was how Gem society was literally explained in some of that smattering I'm baffled that people can't disassociate their human-morality viewpoint and realize that the Gems had their gem-centric morality and that they had to have a conversation in order to make any true difference in their society (and that it's going to take time to make that change after tens of thousands of years of contiguous existence with this naturally imposed societal distribution). Except, having finished that sentence, so many people these days, despite claiming to have so much empathy, are incapable of disassociating from their preconceived assumptions and actually empathizing with other people, so of course they wouldn't understand this core reality.
Which is an inadvertent segue to:
I hear you.
Used to be that if you enjoyed a character, you enjoyed a character. You didn't have to identify or relate to them, and if they were a villain it was pretty well understand that they were charismatic and fun and there was a difference between, say, enjoying Judge Claude Frollo's performance in Hunchback of Notre Dame and, you know, thinking that it was totally acceptable for him to lust for Esmeralda, burn down Paris in a fit of sexual frustration, and also that time he almost threw a baby down a well.
However, a shift occurred at some point in the last several years (probably with the rise of Tumblr), where it became an issue to enjoy things that were 'problematic', even if you didn't actually agree with them. So suddenly people have to twist themselves in knots not to explain why they enjoy a character's performance, but why it's okay for them to enjoy that character. Suddenly every 'problematic' character you like, you have to explain why they're actually in the right. You have to justify their actions, because your enjoyment of them is a direct reflection on you as a person and not, say, just appreciating a good performance or finding a villain charismatic or entertaining.
This kind of coincides with the fact that people's empathy has notably retracted over the years. Now you can't enjoy a character by thinking of things from their point of view and understanding them but still disagreeing. Some people seem to be literally incapable of liking a character that they can't find desperate, tenuous identifiers with because they're no longer capable of leaving their own perspective and thinking "Yeah, I get this guy. He's clearly evil, but he's got a good look and he's fun to watch and he makes sense so I'm enjoying watching this."
I think one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen was a webcomic where a vampire villain was talking to one of the heroes and using kind of misogynist language and metaphor regarding taking over a city. This dude was clearly a villain, he had been established since nearly the start of the arc as a villain, there was no questioning he was a villain and you were supposed to find this monologue uncomfortable and creepy-- and then somebody in the comments started off a huge discussion about how it was 'misogynistic' and 'gross' and basically blamed the comic artist (who was trying to evoke those exact emotions to play up how unseemly this guy was) of being misogynist because he wrote this speech. The artist had to apologize and clarify on the next page in the artist's comments that he didn't agree with the previous page's monologue and was sorry if he offended anybody. Because apparently it is impossible to create a character and not agree with what they say, especially in a context where it's clear you don't agree with what they're saying.
I can't speak about a particular video, but I can confirm that Lily has said that she doesn't write her characters to 'be relatable' and that characters being relatable is actually something you want to avoid.
Given that big rant (again, totally not by Lily) about how Lily identifies and relates to Sylvanas, that's pretty funny.
Best part is that the entire first half of her video was stolen from other SU videos. The only real contribution Lily had was
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starborn427614
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Well said. The only criticism of how the Diamond plot resolved that holds any water in my mind is that it was done too quickly, which it was but for more reasons than "ehh I'm bored with this let's wrap it up". The empathy thing in particular is very interesting to note since it seems a lot of newbie critics in recent years view media not as something to consume and perhaps enjoy or learn from but as a piece of meat to cut their teeth on. It's not so much media to them as it is target practice so any arguments will usually be made either in bad faith or completely miss the point.
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Do you remember the title? What he said in the video?
Anyone care to find this post? If it had nearly 1,000 likes and comments, it shouldn't be hard to find.
Can't you check your browser history?
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As a local SUfag I'd like to add context. That is an interesting point about the Gem species: they aren't made equally. Each and every one is made to serve a purpose in their expanding empire. There's plenty in the show to suggest Gems are a sort of servant subspecies created by the Diamonds, and the Diamonds for the longest time only thought of themselves as real people.
But the message of the show is clear: it doesn't matter where you came from, what your family expects you to be, what your society expects you to be, if you were born with physical problems that designates you as worthless by your culture etc. You can make who are. You have a right to be who you want. You have a right to exist. The writing in the show plot wise can be lacking, but when it comes to allegory and themes it's often surprisingly elegant. It's deliberately written to be able to be interpreted in a number of ways.
Do the Diamonds represent societal pressure? Your controlling conservative family? A family torn apart by repression and trauma grieving their deceased child? Yes. You can interpret them all of these ways and the text supports it.
I think this is why the show maybe sort of waned among hardcore tumblr types and developed a more general fandom. It lets the characters be problematic. It lets the heroes be flawed people who sometimes do not so great things and hurt the ones they love. It couches all of this in fantasy elements, of course, but each and every character has behavioral patterns that stem from some kind of deep character flaw.
The villains too, most of them are introduced as either seemingly one dimensional or in the case of the Diamonds all of them are introduced in this very eerie manner that makes them seem insurmountable and truly alien. And yeah sure it does the sappy DBZ anime "we'll make all our former villains into friends!" thing but... fuck sometimes that's nice? And the idea that someone who was previously villainous could be redeemed or was only a villain due to circumstance has come to be seen as so transgressive and offensive to some people that maybe media needs more it. Cause you know, most people in real life aren't monsters. And cancel culture types might need to be reminded not everyone they dislike is a Disney villain. Or at least their kids can learn that.
I think the idea that The Diamonds = Nazis (and the show outright calls them dictators, cause they are) was around before but Jerry did popularize it with people who just like to parrot shit they've heard about something that's popular to hate. But it's not even popular to hate SU anymore. I think Jerry's one claim to fame is fading fast and he hates it.
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I was trying to research about that post about Liliana getting criticism for once, but I found this on it's place. It seems not only Liliana has officially come out as autistic, but also claims that the hybrid thing is definitely not suposed to be autistic. Plus she considers her a fully human character.
The age of Liliana is old, if that was really updated only four months ago. If she was born on May 30th of 1992, that means she is currently 28 and the doormat is 27. This is a minor nitpick that could mean nothing, but considering how much time Liliana likes to spend adding unnecesary information to fill her wikia with, it's just weird she would put the neurotype but not real ages.
I never saw the full name of the hybrid thing before, and kinda wish I haven't. "Bonita Delyth"... Bonita, according to Google translator, means pretty in Spanish, making it the second time Liliana decides to randomly put a Spanish word as a name for a character that has nothing to do with the language. At first I thought Delyth was just a shitty way to call the hybrid thing "delight", but apparently it's an actual Welsh name that means "pretty and blessed". Meaning that her entire name is "pretty, pretty and blessed". Might as well call her Cutie Precious Babu, at least it would be linguistically coherent.
Futhermore, who even uses those nicknames? I don't remember a single time anyone called Liliana sunshine or lilypad, nor in the comics or everywhere else. What does it say that all the nicknames for Liliana are obviously positive while the doormat has two insults, a cringy pun and just an abbreviation of her name? That profile was written by her very fiancee, the woman who claims to love her. You'd expect that would be the time she is happy to brag about all the cute nicknames she has for her but no.
The fact the doormat never has a problem about the way Liliana treats her through the comic/wikia is way too revealing of how their dinamic must be in private.
Edit: Third time actually. I forgot about Amorosa. What it's up with Liliana fucking with languages she obviously doesn't handle herself? Does she thinks it makes her more interesting or more diverse?
The age of Liliana is old, if that was really updated only four months ago. If she was born on May 30th of 1992, that means she is currently 28 and the doormat is 27. This is a minor nitpick that could mean nothing, but considering how much time Liliana likes to spend adding unnecesary information to fill her wikia with, it's just weird she would put the neurotype but not real ages.
I never saw the full name of the hybrid thing before, and kinda wish I haven't. "Bonita Delyth"... Bonita, according to Google translator, means pretty in Spanish, making it the second time Liliana decides to randomly put a Spanish word as a name for a character that has nothing to do with the language. At first I thought Delyth was just a shitty way to call the hybrid thing "delight", but apparently it's an actual Welsh name that means "pretty and blessed". Meaning that her entire name is "pretty, pretty and blessed". Might as well call her Cutie Precious Babu, at least it would be linguistically coherent.
Futhermore, who even uses those nicknames? I don't remember a single time anyone called Liliana sunshine or lilypad, nor in the comics or everywhere else. What does it say that all the nicknames for Liliana are obviously positive while the doormat has two insults, a cringy pun and just an abbreviation of her name? That profile was written by her very fiancee, the woman who claims to love her. You'd expect that would be the time she is happy to brag about all the cute nicknames she has for her but no.
The fact the doormat never has a problem about the way Liliana treats her through the comic/wikia is way too revealing of how their dinamic must be in private.
Edit: Third time actually. I forgot about Amorosa. What it's up with Liliana fucking with languages she obviously doesn't handle herself? Does she thinks it makes her more interesting or more diverse?
thebananaonion
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The way lily uses spanish and welsh names reminds me of xringy weebs naming shit they own after noanese names or words. Jjst weird.
Atkeast make a thing saying 'ohh we visited galar and bet a nice kady named Dekyth and to remind meof her i named my child with the same name' itz small and meani gless but atleast it gives a reason why a canadian pokemon trainer woukd name their baby a welsh/galarian name
And maybe the spanish one was already on a list of names to ci sider for the child or want ever. Jt slice of life story right? Solittle conversations like these are oerfect exposition dumps for things like name originas or why x character has a fav plush or whatever
Atkeast make a thing saying 'ohh we visited galar and bet a nice kady named Dekyth and to remind meof her i named my child with the same name' itz small and meani gless but atleast it gives a reason why a canadian pokemon trainer woukd name their baby a welsh/galarian name
And maybe the spanish one was already on a list of names to ci sider for the child or want ever. Jt slice of life story right? Solittle conversations like these are oerfect exposition dumps for things like name originas or why x character has a fav plush or whatever
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This reminds me of when middle schoolers make their first OCs and go to Google translate to look up names that "mean" something or say something about the character.
"This is Kage, which means 'shadow' in Japanese because he's so cool and mysterious!"
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New Patreon update.
Sep 1, 2020 at 2:56 AM
Patreon Update - September 2020
Hey hey! I'm back from my vacation and feeling a whole lot better! The dread and depression of isolation has been abated, I got a big injection of serotonin from snuggling my fiancee for two entire weeks, and I'm energized and ready to go!
It's just these damn hyperfixations.
I've had The Owl House and Sylvanas dominating (haha) my thoughts for the last few months, so getting any projects out that arenb't centered around them has been difficult, especially with other long-term projects wrapped up and no longer giving me truckloads of incentive.
So for now we're talking this one video at a time. And right now I've got the Gen 2 Retrospective and a new Glass of Water about romantic story arcs and their pacing. I think you'll like it, I certainly like the idea. My best estimate for release of the latter is September 8th.
Anyway, thank y'all! I love you guys, have a good night, and hug a puppy.
CURRENT PROJECTS
In Production (Script mostly complete, Touch-Ups, Recording, Editing)
Tentative/Early Production (Script in Progress, or non-script equivalent)
Not In Production (On Hold or Otherwise Waiting)
IN A MINUTE
There are no current projects in the works for In A Minute. Future ideas include a project similar to the Disney Project, but for Star Wars. Considerably smaller in scale and with more to talk about as I’m familiar with all nine films.
GLASS OF WATER
Slow and Steady Spoils the Fun - A discussion on the “slow” nature of LGBT ships (and ships in general honestly) and how not only is the claim that this is the natural course is nonsensical, but just bad writing.
BIG VIDEOS
Pokemon Generation 2 Retrospective - On hold to complete other obligations, hoping to complete before 2020 ends.
SIDE PROJECTS
The Sith Resurgence - A rewrite of the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy that strips out all the convoluted fanservice and twists in favor of a gay romance and a swashbuckling space adventure, along with a philosophical examination of the Force itself.
Poke-Madhouse - A webcomic about a found family between a woman, her girlfriends, her banshee BFF, her girlfriend, and a mutant cryptid baby.
Patreon Update - September 2020
Hey hey! I'm back from my vacation and feeling a whole lot better! The dread and depression of isolation has been abated, I got a big injection of serotonin from snuggling my fiancee for two entire weeks, and I'm energized and ready to go!
It's just these damn hyperfixations.
I've had The Owl House and Sylvanas dominating (haha) my thoughts for the last few months, so getting any projects out that arenb't centered around them has been difficult, especially with other long-term projects wrapped up and no longer giving me truckloads of incentive.
So for now we're talking this one video at a time. And right now I've got the Gen 2 Retrospective and a new Glass of Water about romantic story arcs and their pacing. I think you'll like it, I certainly like the idea. My best estimate for release of the latter is September 8th.
Anyway, thank y'all! I love you guys, have a good night, and hug a puppy.
CURRENT PROJECTS
In Production (Script mostly complete, Touch-Ups, Recording, Editing)
Tentative/Early Production (Script in Progress, or non-script equivalent)
Not In Production (On Hold or Otherwise Waiting)
IN A MINUTE
There are no current projects in the works for In A Minute. Future ideas include a project similar to the Disney Project, but for Star Wars. Considerably smaller in scale and with more to talk about as I’m familiar with all nine films.
GLASS OF WATER
Slow and Steady Spoils the Fun - A discussion on the “slow” nature of LGBT ships (and ships in general honestly) and how not only is the claim that this is the natural course is nonsensical, but just bad writing.
BIG VIDEOS
Pokemon Generation 2 Retrospective - On hold to complete other obligations, hoping to complete before 2020 ends.
SIDE PROJECTS
The Sith Resurgence - A rewrite of the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy that strips out all the convoluted fanservice and twists in favor of a gay romance and a swashbuckling space adventure, along with a philosophical examination of the Force itself.
Poke-Madhouse - A webcomic about a found family between a woman, her girlfriends, her banshee BFF, her girlfriend, and a mutant cryptid baby.
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Yes what terrible writing to see a romantic relationship develop over the course of a story. Every relationship in media should just be like Cinderella going to the ball, dancing with the Prince and then BAM they're in true love after meeting and barely saying a word to each other.
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Yes what terrible writing to see a romantic relationship develop over the course of a story. Every relationship in media should just be like Cinderella going to the ball, dancing with the Prince and then BAM they're in true love after meeting and barely saying a word to each other.
Oh god I don't even know where to begin... does Lily seriously think that people say "I love you" on the first date? Romantic relationships, hell, actually any relationship in general, HAS TO BE TAKEN SLOWLY. It takes time for you to become accustomed to your partner, and it's guaranteed for two people to have different opinions, world views, interests etc. This is why you take time, you talk, you date, and in time you decide if the person is the right one or not. You don't just jump into it unless you really wanna play Russian Roulette with partners.
What Lily basically wants is the equivalent of those relationships where they bang on the first date and after two weeks they're engaged.
You know what happens most of the time with these kinds of couples? More often than not, they end up either breaking off the engagement, or divorcing soon after the wedding, because they didn't take the time to actually sit down and get to know each other.
Kinda speaks volumes to the way Lily jumped into a new relationship soon after Lizzy broke up with her. Bet this is why Carousel broke up with her too: Lily cannot for the life of her be patient and Carousel noped the fuck out before it got worse.