Plagued William "Billy D" Usher / cyguration & OneAngryGamer (oneangrygamer.net) - Joe McCarthy if McCarthy were a self-hating Black Pedophile alongside his Base of Authoritarian Wingnuts who hate The Gays™ & Overwatch; Definitely Not (((Nazis))); From Sperging about Anything in Multimedia to Splurging out Garbage Articles

[Marissa Moira]

Once again, this is the kind of disingenuous argument I can't see myself ever agreeing to. Why the popularity of a game serie should matter in order to inform the public about cases of censorship or localization hijinks?

Because people caring about censorship in games is directly tied to "how many people give a shit". Because if that's going to be the draw to your site, you're going to fall into the same trap that Billy did and be stuck writing about VNs and other shit people don't care about.

Censorship in games also doesn't work the way it does in other forms of media because it has to effect the gameplay elements themselves. Like did the changes to Dragon Quest 8 for the 3DS count as censorship because they made the dude eat dog food instead of killing him? It also wouldn't affect the other 99.9% of the game so people would ignore it especially that far in.

Project Justice had an entire mode removed which was the dating sim side game. But the devs ran out of time to translate everything so they just focused on the fighting game aspect. To this day it's still one of more in demand dreamcast titles.

You can't treat games like a form of art, nor can you treat them like books or movies either. There's different expectations, there's also no comparison because games are expected to mechanically function where as the other forms of media don't have that expectation. Art, books, and movies are all passive forms of entertainment, games are proactive and interactive.

Effectively you treat them like art you've already lost because you've fallen into the same trap that indie devs do and just put everything into a story or music and lose the main focus on what makes games appealing. The Gone Home devs learned the hard way when they hired Game of Thrones actors to voice their characters and hired professional writers, and their fable game boiled down to Hitting X to continue. Nobody bought their last game despite all the praises their previous game got.

 

[Herbert West Reanimator]

did the changes to Dragon Quest 8 for the 3DS count as censorship because they made the dude eat dog food instead of killing him?

Unequivocally yes, and you are a moron for even trying to use this as an example. I have never encountered a more foolish human being on the subject of censorship. Please cease your excessive levels of stupidity and stop shitting up the thread with objective falsehoods and egregious stretches of logic.

You are correct that censorship to the art/story/etc. of games isn't as vital to the work itself because the game structure is paramount. You are correct that most people don't care, in general. Where you go wrong is your assertion/implication that therefore the censorship doesn't matter, that the only thing that counts is sales figures. Nobody here is a soulless suit in a publisher's office, least of all you, and nobody is saying that art/story/etc. ought to trump gameplay so don't even try that worthless strawman. It is possible to oppose censorship and recognize that gameplay is the heart of a game. I've been doing it for years. You should try it. Alternately, keep acting like Billy and asserting you know the mind of your opponent and can inform him of what his own motives are. Makes you look like an idiot, but if that's the look you like, who am I to stop you?

(Also, I thoroughly enjoyed the part where you said "censorship... has to effect the gameplay elements themselves", then proceeded to give an example of an entire game mode being cut but used that example to essentially say "censorship even by my own definition doesn't matter".)

 

[Marissa Moira]

Unequivocally yes, and you are a moron for even trying to use this as an example. I have never encountered a more foolish human being on the subject of censorship. Please cease your excessive levels of stupidity and stop shitting up the thread with objective falsehoods and egregious stretches of logic.

Actually no, because if you read about why they did it, they wanted to pull a George lucas or JK Rowling and just made changes because they felt it would have better suited the narrative. It's literally a "Han shot first" level of a change.

Also it's not censorship if you're on a tight schedule and shit needs to be thrown on the cutting room floor and you have to decide to focus in on whats considered core elements. That's just the nature of software development.

Super Mario brothers 3 had stages entirely cut because they were not ready. The back of the Box features a yet to be found level in the game.

Monster Hunter World couldn't get lagicrus to work and with the final update dropping he's definitely not making it in.

There's so much stuff that gets tossed out, you can get design documents for many games on GOG and it features stuff that was 80% done and then scrapped. Mind you people have gotten some of the thrown out shit to work(i.e. the cut bosses from many Souls games).

 

[BananaSplit]

Because people caring about censorship in games is directly tied to "how many people give a shit". Because if that's going to be the draw to your site, you're going to fall into the same trap that Billy did and be stuck writing about VNs and other shit people don't care about.

Censorship in games also doesn't work the way it does in other forms of media because it has to effect the gameplay elements themselves. Like did the changes to Dragon Quest 8 for the 3DS count as censorship because they made the dude eat dog food instead of killing him? It also wouldn't affect the other 99.9% of the game so people would ignore it especially that far in.

Project Justice had an entire mode removed which was the dating sim side game. But the devs ran out of time to translate everything so they just focused on the fighting game aspect. To this day it's still one of more in demand dreamcast titles.

You can't treat games like a form of art, nor can you treat them like books or movies either. There's different expectations, there's also no comparison because games are expected to mechanically function where as the other forms of media don't have that expectation. Art, books, and movies are all passive forms of entertainment, games are proactive and interactive.

Effectively you treat them like art you've already lost because you've fallen into the same trap that indie devs do and just put everything into a story or music and lose the main focus on what makes games appealing. The Gone Home devs learned the hard way when they hired Game of Thrones actors to voice their characters and hired professional writers and their fable game boiled down to Hitting X to continue.

By this flawed logic, you could say nobody should ever bring up changes done in videogames through localization because a considerable portion of the userbase are just mindless consoomers. Or because it requires to learn a quite foreign language to bypass the weird localization decisions, which is something that not a lot of people are capable to dedicate themselves of doing so. You're also completely conflicting people who take the hobby with a minimum of respect (which isnt exclusive to videogames) versus hacks who are trying to cut in with no respect to said hobby and with zero standards of quality.

And while videogames sure arent art by themselves, they're still works of a team of creators. So changing things for the sake of memes or because of oversensitivity drama sparked on social media, and trying to defend those said changes, really comes of as disrespectful to the people who spent time and effort to make the games.

There is a reason why I cannot play any jrpg in english because the script that plays a large part to enjoy those games tends to be horrendous. This is especially true for the Dragon Quest games with the accents or out-of-nowhere puns and I recently remember Chrono Cross to be equally as bad on the same regard, like the harlequin girl saying random french words in the english release when she initially said zero foreign words in the original script (which I assume the translator or editor in charge found "boring" at first). Or the little fairy companion making puns in the english version during a massive forest genocide going on. In fact, a lot of old jrpgs suffer of this problem, Legend of Localizations has a couple of articles related to it.

Some game genres can get off more easily than others, and while it may sound I'm nitpicking, this is something I consider worth to inform the public about, especially for those who could be interested in the affected games.

 

[Herbert West Reanimator]

if you read about why they did it, they wanted to pull a George lucas or JK Rowling and just made changes because they felt it would have better suited the narrative

Fair; censorship is motivated by a desire to block people from seeing something "for their own good" (or to protect yourself). This falls into a separate-but-equal bucket of shit that shouldn't ever happen. If your quibble is "but it's not censorship", fine, sometimes it isn't, but that doesn't make alterations not in line with the original intent (from people who aren't the original creators) unworthy of attention. It doesn't much matter to me whether the localizers think they have a moral duty to stop me from seeing certain things or whether they just feel like fucking with the source material because they have the power to do so. Neither should occur, and teams that do either ought to be called on the carpet for not doing their jobs correctly. If "Han shot first" had been done by someone on a foreign-language translation team because he thought that's how the story ought to go, instead of by Lucas himself, it would be a pretty clear-cut case of "what the fuck are you doing you absolute imbecile?"

Also it's not censorship if you're on a tight schedule and shit needs to be thrown on the cutting room floor. That's just the nature of software development.

Agreed on the cutting-room floor, obviously, but if you weren't using your example of Project Justice as a censorship-related example, what did you even bring it up for? Either you were saying it's related to censorship or you were arguing against another strawman, because I know of zero people who think dev deadlines and necessary cuts constitute censorship.

And finally: it's extremely weak to cite the successor to Gone Home as an example of why focusing on story and having no gameplay fails. Gone Home set up such an incredibly shit reputation for itself and its developers, thanks to marketing that amounted to cloaked lies, that anything that came after it would've been met with derision (plus, it didn't have much gameplay itself, it was a glorified scavenger hunt with an option to skip all gameplay).

 

[Marissa Moira]

Fair; censorship is motivated by a desire to block people from seeing something "for their own good" (or to protect yourself). This falls into a separate-but-equal bucket of shit that shouldn't ever happen. If your quibble is "but it's not censorship", fine, sometimes it isn't, but that doesn't make alterations not in line with the original intent (from people who aren't the original creators) unworthy of attention. It doesn't much matter to me whether the localizers think they have a moral duty to stop me from seeing certain things or whether they just feel like fucking with the source material because they have the power to do so. Neither should occur, and teams that do either ought to be called on the carpet for not doing their jobs correctly. If "Han shot first" had been done by someone on a foreign-language translation team because he thought that's how the story ought to go, instead of by Lucas himself, it would be a pretty clear-cut case of "what the fuck are you doing you absolute imbecile?"

Agreed on the cutting-room floor, obviously, but if you weren't using your example of Project Justice as a censorship-related example, what did you even bring it up for? Either you were saying it's related to censorship or you were arguing against another strawman, because I know of zero people who think dev deadlines and necessary cuts constitute censorship.

Project Justice was used often as a case of Needing to get a Finished product out on time vs Developer's intended Vision. it was one of the last games released for the Dreamcast in the US and capcom didn't have the manpower or funds for the US version. Dating Sims were not popular in the US at the time and Rival Schools only had one other game out which was squarely a fighter and nothing else. So they had to make a decision to just scrap the other mode in favor of the fighting aspect which required little to no translation and could be done in a few months. Remember Sega pulled the Dreamcast off the market overnight and caught many off-guard. The japanese version is close to double the size of it's American counterpart, that's how significant the removal was.

You also have CERO, PEGI, and ESRB meddling that goes on. But they're still fairly minor especially when compared to other things that go on when developing a game's content. A removal of a small scene can mean the difference between a T rating and an M. Some companies feel fine with the M rating, others do not.

 

[Pina Colada]

Spoiler: Still seething

 

[BananaSplit]

Spoiler: Still seething

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I dunno why they still believe Kiwifarms is a sjw website especially with the news articles and happenings section, and I'm pretty sure they would appreciate Marissa Moira being called out of his rambling crap on this very page.

Kiwifarms is just another reminder that you shouldnt act like a big sperg on the internet regardless of your personal beliefs.

 

[Marissa Moira]

I dunno why they still believe Kiwifarms is a sjw website especially with the news articles and happenings section, and I'm pretty sure they would appreciate Marissa Moira being called out of his rambling crap on this very page.

Kiwifarms is just another reminder that you shouldnt act like a big sperg on the internet regardless of your personal beliefs.

Because Billy has a "you're either with us 100% or against us 100% mentality".

There's zero nuance or morally gray areas allowed because his dick's needs come first and foremost.

 

[MarineTrainedTard]

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One angry gamer interacting with a seej tard.

I literally googled "police brutality Israel" and found there have been protests going on there all summer against Netenyahu, but also against police brutality. Israel is also the most LGBT friendly country in the region. There's a gay pride parade every year in Tel'Aviv. "A bunch of gay pozzed shit in every country except Israel" my ass lmao

 

[Marissa Moira]

You know it probably would have helped if he did more youtube stuff than doing write ups of what makes his dick rage.

He's literally somehow more inept than ReviewTechUSA or fucking Pat the NES Punk. MoistCr1tikal/Charlie just sits at his desk and talks about shit and he makes it entertaining.

And his focus on gay shit is strange because that rarely appears in games. The last RPG I played where it became a weird sudden tonal focus was Divinity Original Sin 2 where it was this weird fucking sidequest where a lesbian runs at you full blast and is screaming at you to save her wife. Like Everything is on fire and there's a fucking kraken dead in the harbor and you have this weird intrusive sidequest that didn't seem to mesh with what was going on and was kinda tone deaf. Especially since there could be gay romance and necrophilia in the game(since you can be a skeleton) and that seemed more natural than whatever that quest was.

Stuff like Validate and other VN garbage gets quickly forgotten like Dream Daddy. I'm pretty sure they only exist to generate clickbait articles.

So RIP OAG you're just a libtard who died with a boner.

 

[José Mourinho]

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These idiots are sharing porn in the public. lol, How fucking sad can they be?
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These idiots are trying to blame the UK government for protecting 10-year-old killers. lol

> Paying for porn

 

[AnOminous]

Oneangrygamer's vidya censorship articles ended up to be more and more "devs designed female characters the way I do not like" kind-of thing (for example, the harpies in Serious Sam 4 or Tifa in Final Fantasy 7 remake) instead of actual censorship cases.

He thinks he's a freedom fighter but he's just a fat fuck screaming for tendies and for his gay traps.

 

[Marissa Moira]

He thinks he's a freedom fighter but he's just a fat fuck screaming for tendies and for his gay traps.

But traps are gay by default.

 

[AnOminous]

But traps are gay by default.

He only wants the ones so gay you have to say it twice.

 

[Marissa Moira]

He only wants the ones so gay you have to say it twice.

But that would cancel it out and they wouldn't be traps.

 

[Sammy]

Holy lord I thought Billy was spergy, but his orbiters take the cake if they think this site is a haven for Social Justice Warriors.

Do you think they're disingenuously fucking with him, or are they for real? Like how old Chris Chan orbiters used to have his trolls pretend to be his friend to milk him, then shat on everyone outside and tried to gate keep? The forums, or commenters or whoever keep trying to start a slapfight with KF, are those guys like the PVCC of OneAngryGamer, or do they truly believe?

 

[TheMadAutist]

New statement by Kevin Tweet Seems the site will remain up but writers were told not to write anything new. Could still mean OAG is "dead" but the site won't go down.

 

[Psychic Espeon]

Here's some clarification from Kevin:

EDIT:

 

[Ruin]

Billy makes me ashamed to have anti sjw sentiments.