TGWTG Nostalgia Chick / Lindsay Ellis / TheDudette - aka Hotdogs in face girl

People think the nukes were a bad thing in WW2? It was either that or a campaign of slaughter across the entirety of Japan and possible mainland Asia.

Well it depends on the way you look at it. Japan wants to surrender but not have the emperor prosecuted. America says no, must be unconditional. America drops two nukes, USSR invades Manchuria, breaking neutrality. Japan surrenders unconditionally. America agrees, but says they won't prosecute the emperor.

So in one regard it was needless. On the other hand, Japan had commited such barbaric and vile acts, it could be coldly suggested they needed to be bombed back to civility, and taught a lesson future generations wouldn't forget. There'd been two colossal, total wars in the past twenty five years, and it was hoped the bomb would make all other wars impossible. Twenty years later, Japan is a thriving country with a healthy blend of eastern and western culture, with western economics, social mobility, suffrage, and hasn't thought about committing disgusting war crimes to south east asia or china again. Back then, the damage radiation could do was relatively unknown and...

...you know, fuck this. I'm here to talk about Lindsay Ellis.
 
He doesn't mention surrender either.

This is correct. Instead of "surrender", he refers to "acceptance of the provisions of the joint declaration of the powers."

Or the death tolls...

This is not correct.

"The thought of those officers and men as well as others who have fallen in the fields of battle, those who died at their posts of duty, and those who met with death and all their bereaved families, pains our heart night and day.

The welfare of the wounded and the war sufferers, and of those who have lost their homes and livelihood is the object of our profound solicitude. The hardships and suffering to which our nation is to be subjected hereafter will be certainly great. "

...or the prior negotiations...

From which I assume they were not of concern to him or his audience.

EDIT: My apologies for posting this after you stated you wished to leave the conversation; it was not my intent to "revenge post" or "steal the last word." Your response where you said you'd rather stay on topic appeared while I was composing the reply. I agree this conversation, while interesting is not on topic.
 
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Weird how the people who say its okay to punch people in the face for even being suspected of Nazism suddenly aren't okay with bombing Nazi collaborators :thinking:

No idea who you're talking about there.


This is correct. Instead of "surrender", he refers to "acceptance of the provisions of the joint declaration of the powers."



From which I assume they were not of concern to him or his audience.

Correct. It's all euphemisms and poetry and articulated wordplay detatched from the absolute horrors outside of his bunker beneath the palace. The entire speech is trying to blunt and excuse the Japanese defeat. When I mention the death tolls, he's not mentioning the millions dead under his leadership and how catastrophic it is. I'd also point to another book I've read, Racing the Enemy, by Tsuyoshi Hasegawa which goes into the mentality of the Japanese surrender and the big part the USSR played in the roll. The Japanese not liking the idea of their old enemy occupying the islands. The only thing is I agree with differing historians as Hasegawa is convinced the Emperor condition wasn't the primary caveat for their surrender.
 
Well it depends on the way you look at it. Japan wants to surrender but not have the emperor prosecuted. America says no, must be unconditional. America drops two nukes, USSR invades Manchuria, breaking neutrality. Japan surrenders unconditionally. America agrees, but says they won't prosecute the emperor.

So in one regard it was needless. On the other hand, Japan had commited such barbaric and vile acts, it could be coldly suggested they needed to be bombed back to civility, and taught a lesson future generations wouldn't forget. There'd been two colossal, total wars in the past twenty five years, and it was hoped the bomb would make all other wars impossible. Twenty years later, Japan is a thriving country with a healthy blend of eastern and western culture, with western economics, social mobility, suffrage, and hasn't thought about committing disgusting war crimes to south east asia or china again. Back then, the damage radiation could do was relatively unknown and...

...you know, fuck this. I'm here to talk about Lindsay Ellis.

Hey this much more interesting, nuanced and researched than anything relating to Lindsay.
 
Has there ever been any live stream debates or face to face moments where someone called out Lindsay on her bullshit?
 
EDIT: My apologies for posting this after you stated you wished to leave the conversation; it was not my intent to "revenge post" or "steal the last word." Your response where you said you'd rather stay on topic appeared while I was composing the reply. I agree this conversation, while interesting is not on topic.

Collateral my man you seem very learned and an absolute gentleman. I think we can agree to disagree because if historians haven't resolved this argument in 20 years, we certainly won't. But thanks for the food for thought.
 
She makes R.L Stein look like Dostoevsky. This doesn't warrant that much time.
To be fair, R.L. Stein relied a lot on ghost writers after his first few Goosebumps books. Same with the Fear Street books. To be even more fair, something like Welcome to Dead House or The Haunted Mask is leagues better than Axiom's End, because Stein didn't rip off another writer who was already considered to be shit.

It did not take ten years to write the book, it took ten years to PUBLISH.
AKA ten years for her to schmooze and get down her knees forming the connections to get a nepotism publish that didn't care about her work's merit.
 
Has there ever been any live stream debates or face to face moments where someone called out Lindsay on her bullshit?

I think she's smart/self aware enough to not put herself in that position. She knows she'd get eaten alive or she'd get too emotionally charged when challenged (as most PC whackjobs do) and wind up embarrassing herself.
 
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My favorite thing about revisionist history regarding WWII is that the US has to feel bad about what we did to Japan all the time, and its a crime that we will never be able to earn penance for, no matter how many times we beg forgiveness.

Fair enough, but I love how Japan has never been forced to apologize even once for its atrocities committed during WWII. I'm not even talking about Pearl Harbor either because, lets face it, the US got them back. But read up about the Rape of Nanking sometime, an event that Japan never apologized for and some even denied that it ever happened (despite photographic evidence existing). It got so bad that the Nazis (the actual literal ones) had to step in and tell Japan to knock it off. Yes, there is actually a story from WWII where the actual Nazis were shocked by their ally's actions and thought "Whoa...too far guys".

OT but Knowing Better even did a video on Japan refusing to acknowledge her WWII history.

 
OT but Knowing Better even did a video on Japan refusing to acknowledge her WWII history.

Considering we've seen what happens when you don't play the victim in this retarded victim morality culture the world revolves around these days with Germany (endless exploitation, self destruction, and self denigration) can you really blame the Japs? We don't have to accept their narrative, but at least they've preserved something of their national culture and pride. Now if only they could solve that birth rate problem...

How she's able to live in LA ill never understand
She's one of the most successful cows on this site. It's not that hard to understand.
 
My favorite thing about revisionist history regarding WWII is that the US has to feel bad about what we did to Japan all the time, and its a crime that we will never be able to earn penance for, no matter how many times we beg forgiveness.

Japan has never been forced to apologize even once for its atrocities committed during WWII. I'm not even talking about Pearl Harbor either because, lets face it, the US got them back. But read up about the Rape of Nanking sometime, an event that Japan never apologized for and some even denied that it ever happened (despite photographic evidence existing).

Serious question: did you ever consider that these two things might be related? Robin DiAngelo really went the full distance in "saying the quiet part out loud" with her bit about how it's a never-ending process that is never finished. Read: you must buy indulgences forever and are never forgiven no matter what you do that. Alternatively, you can reject the premise and not chum the waters for rent-seeking assholes.
 
Serious question: did you ever consider that these two things might be related? Robin DiAngelo really went the full distance in "saying the quiet part out loud" with her bit about how it's a never-ending process that is never finished. Read: you must buy indulgences forever and are never forgiven no matter what you do that. Alternatively, you can reject the premise and not chum the waters for rent-seeking assholes.
The medical catholic church was more forgiving than these mongoloids. At least they only made you pay once for an Indulgence
 
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