Final Fantasy XIV - Kiwi Free Company

My main's on Primal so I don't often check Balmung out.
On servers that are RP prominent, Ul'dah is usually packed with most everyone milling around the Quicksand.

If you want to disrupt someone's ERP session, I recommend walking out the back door to the Quicksand and into that narrow alleyway that connects to the Steps of Thal's loading zone. You're probably going to find some people there half of the time.
 
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Having seen the shit that this game can degenerate to (not to a-log by any means) I have to wonder if the reason Blizzard and Zenimax Online bans people for modding the games texture and mesh files has less to do with them wanting to protect their assets and rather it's because shit likes this goes completely rampant and it ruins the games integrity because reports of pedophilia or grooming or illegal hardcore fetishes like necrophilia and rape start coming out the woodwork. I have nothing against mods or people making their characters slutty, but jesus christ some of the shit I've seen in some of the 18+ communities is just insane and I'm not talking about just generic in-game hentai.
 
Having seen the shit that this game can degenerate to (not to a-log by any means) I have to wonder if the reason Blizzard and Zenimax Online bans people for modding the games texture and mesh files has less to do with them wanting to protect their assets and rather it's because shit likes this goes completely rampant and it ruins the games integrity because reports of pedophilia or grooming or illegal hardcore fetishes like necrophilia and rape start coming out the woodwork. I have nothing against mods or people making their characters slutty, but jesus christ some of the shit I've seen in some of the 18+ communities is just insane and I'm not talking about just generic in-game hentai.
I love the game. Haven't been playing in half a year though because stuff with my guild.
I totally gotcha I got hunted by this one Miqo'te catboy player who kept talking how my Elezen male was so hot and all. I took it all in stride and played with them (still have no idea of the gender). They later got pretty serious in trying to ERP with me and I got "SLIGHTLY" creeped out. I later got notified by a friend that the player was a notorious user of nude mods. I promptly put that player on my ignore list and made my character look older and added several scars to his face.
Euggh.

At least in TERA my High Elf married an Elin and it was all in good fun. No nude mods, we got along great and no creeping about it.
 
I wonder how XVI’s development will affect XIV since Yoshi-P is producing it.
 
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I wonder how XVI’s development will affect XIV since Yoshi-P is producing it.

Look at WoW after Wrath of the Lich King when the original team left. FF16 looks like FF15 combat with FF14 assets. I wouldn't be surprised if Yoshi P isn't the only one who moved on to work on it.
 
The FFXIV community continues to show its cult like behavior by assuming every FF game after XIV is connected to XIV. Must be their first FF game not knowing JRPG characters look similar or they're that obsessed with FFXIV.
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This icing on the cake is this thread where an ex-FFXIV community rep spergs out about the same bullshit, and goes as far as pulling up their name in the credits for FFXIV/FFXI when asked if they've ever played a FF game before for whatever reason:
 
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The FFXIV community continues to show its cult like behavior by assuming every FF game after XIV is connected to XIV. Must be their first FF game not knowing JRPG characters look similar or they're that obsessed with FFXIV.
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This icing on the cake is this thread where an ex-FFXIV community rep spergs out about the same bullshit, and goes as far as pulling up their name in the credits for FFXIV/FFXI when asked if they've ever played a FF game before for whatever reason:

The guy who's been noticed by Soken can't get the dick out of his mouth


https://twitter.com/alex_moukala/status/1305673137682554880

If only single player games had Final Fantasy XIV's mediocre story, that way everyone could understand my obsession.
 
The FFXIV community continues to show its cult like behavior by assuming every FF game after XIV is connected to XIV. Must be their first FF game not knowing JRPG characters look similar or they're that obsessed with FFXIV.
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This icing on the cake is this thread where an ex-FFXIV community rep spergs out about the same bullshit, and goes as far as pulling up their name in the credits for FFXIV/FFXI when asked if they've ever played a FF game before for whatever reason:
It's like they never knew the story around the TITLE Final Fantasy.

Squaresoft(Enix) has been pretty consistent in keeping every mainline game separate, so I don't expect this to change. If they wanted to make a FFXIV sequel, they'd do FFXIV-2 instead.
 
If only single player games had Final Fantasy XIV's mediocre story, that way everyone could understand my obsession.

Yeah, the hook that got me to try out FF14 was its 'amazing storytelling.' Heavensward was competent, Shadowbringers from beginning to right after Titania was competent, Aumarot to main-scenario conclusion was phenomenal, and everything else was complete trash garbage-hype which was mostly an effort of being bored as fuck and desperately wanting it to be over - or venting and fuming at some of the fucking atrociously bad choices and decisions made for no apparent reason along the way. Like teasing a character death, then pulling back - for the fourth or fifth time. And I'm sitting there going, "Y'know, if they actually died, that might be -interesting-. Break expectations, give this moment some depth. Nope! People would be sad! The heroes always win!"

If the whole game was as cool as the parts of ShB that put a lot of effort into being otherworldly and yet taking the time to do some worldbuilding with proper pacing, I'd understand the gushing. As-is... I mean, I agree with the sentiment that the people who're so into this game just literally don't play other games and thus don't really know what constitutes decent writing.
 
I mean, I agree with the sentiment that the people who're so into this game just literally don't play other games and thus don't really know what constitutes decent writing.
I'm of the opinion lately that a lot of these people forgot how much of a drag ARR was and how awful Stormblood was. Thus, when Shadowbringers turned out great, they Mandela effected themselves into thinking XIV's story was ALWAYS this good when that demonstrably was not the case.

Or they're braindead apologists who unironically DID enjoy Stormblood and genuinely have no idea what entails decent writing. I'm gonna bash on roleplayers once again and state that, from experience, a lot of people in that particular camp really don't have a sense for good writing in addition to being incredibly bad at paying attention to the story in general.
 
Having seen the shit that this game can degenerate to (not to a-log by any means) I have to wonder if the reason Blizzard and Zenimax Online bans people for modding the games texture and mesh files has less to do with them wanting to protect their assets and rather it's because shit likes this goes completely rampant and it ruins the games integrity because reports of pedophilia or grooming or illegal hardcore fetishes like necrophilia and rape start coming out the woodwork. I have nothing against mods or people making their characters slutty, but jesus christ some of the shit I've seen in some of the 18+ communities is just insane and I'm not talking about just generic in-game hentai.
They crack down on it because there were a ton of exploits using modded assets.
 
The FFXIV community continues to show its cult like behavior by assuming every FF game after XIV is connected to XIV. Must be their first FF game not knowing JRPG characters look similar or they're that obsessed with FFXIV.
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This icing on the cake is this thread where an ex-FFXIV community rep spergs out about the same bullshit, and goes as far as pulling up their name in the credits for FFXIV/FFXI when asked if they've ever played a FF game before for whatever reason:
To be fair YoshiP is the producer of XVI so it isn’t unreasonable for people to draw comparisons,
Also unpopular opinion but I think people are bit too hard on XIV’s plot. ARR was very rough around the edges but the game was a last ditch attempt of salvaging a disastrous MMORPG so I can forgive its missteps a lot more than Stormblood. I hope Ishikawa stays on for 6.0 as ShB was amazing and she wrote the only good part of Stormblood.

Speaking of XI everyone praises its plot a lot too and honestly I never thought it was anything special, not even the highly acclaimed Chains of Promathia. Unfortunately that fanbase is also pretty rabid itself and praising XIV in their presence is enough for them to flip out. Especially on Reddit, where XI considered a sacred cow not only on its main sub but on r/mmorpg which is full of old school mmo neckbeards.
 
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Thus, when Shadowbringers turned out great

Well, here's the issue - it really isn't great. Maybe for an MMO, but it's mostly middling to downright awful because its third and fourth acts are written by retards.

When you first arrive, that first act split between Kholusia and the desert? It's well-paced, it gives you a way to get acquainted with the way the new world works, the players, the factions, so-on. You move from being triumphant in your first pushback to the faerie land, which is whimsical and foreign and alien and more good stuff. Then it immediately nosedives. The primary antagonists are shown to be clueless clowns that pose no real threat to you.

You hurry off to the forest, where some weird faction barely gets developed and does functionally nothing - and a new antagonistic faction is introduced that really, really does absolutely fuckall and seems to have no point in existing. The tertiary antagonist just shows up whenever is convenient for the plot to give a monologue about the Ascians, and then you get to meet yet another fucking faction whose inner workings go completely unexplained. This faction is billed up as some isolationist warrior tribe that's managed to fend off any incursions for hundreds to thousands of years -- yet they speak the common tongue (which matters only because in the first act, the game goes through the effort to explain why you're able to use currency, understand people, and access your bank), they immediately get routed by an army that has only ever been shown to be completely incompetent, and they somehow understood their weird jungle ruins far less than some random old man did.

Then you get treated to a really really fucking forced - I mean "flashback to what just happened 5 minutes ago" forced - death fakeout, the army that you never saw doing anything is immediately routed off-screen and leaves completely to the point where it isn't menacing in the slightest or had any lasting impact, and the antagonistic nihilist-faction essentially vanishes from everyone's memory. Suffering no real long-term damage, you then go to the mandatory 'low point' of the game, which realistically should have been the bland and boring cat dying, and instead get treated to the HORROR! of a bunch of random, nameless NPCs getting killed by an easily-repelled invasion of things that still aren't that army you've heard so much about.

This genius army apparently gets distracted without any trouble, yet its general will somehow be two steps ahead of you and didn't feel like informing anyone else about what was going on. He mumbles his literal two lines of development briefly before triggering yet another fucking death fakeout that might have been mildly satisfying if it had actually happened, to cap off a great experience in a completely forgettable arc of the story in a completely forgettable and horribly-paced bit. "We've got to hurry! The army can't be distracted forever, and the Crystarium's in danger!" "lol but my wife is DEAD"

Yet again the army is routed off-screen and no-one suffers any real long-term damage or consequences, and when we launch our assault on Eulmore, we begin to learn that maybe it was because the army never existed. About eight mooks is all it takes, barging straight in the front door, against the army and a legion of mind-controlled peasants, to get to Vauthry. Why didn't we just do that from the beginning? If all the army did was lose and suffer casualties, why was it ever something to be worried about? Vauthry's character also completely changes from an autocratic despot who poses a poignant question: "If you are doomed to die, why not live out your remaining days in hedonistic bliss rather than vain struggling?" to a baby manchild with a god-complex -- which is much, much less interesting. And indeed Kholusia 2.0 is also one of the least interesting and boring fucking sections of the fucking game, which boils down to "everyone can work together!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" and somehow those dastardly, malicious sin-eaters we've been told to be afraid of for literally the entire game are content to just... do nothing while we kumbayah. Two characters that were charming in the first act for just being a glimpse into the world have to somehow be the CRITICAL KEYS TO EVERYTHING!!!!! in this fourth act, because because.

Vauthry gets dispatched and has nothing to say for himself except that he's a baby manchild with a god complex, confirming that the character established in the first act got binned by whoever was in charge of 3-4. We go underwater to be bored out of our fucking skulls for a little bit before we're finally plunged into Amaurot... and world-building returns, with this surreal and alien civilization having its inner-workings explained in a way that feels organic and neat, with the whole experience really, really standing out against how fucking awful everything was before it.

And acts 3/4 in this game take up an unreasonably long period of time. It's safe to say that more than half of this game's story is complete fucking trash, and nothing that gets built up in the first two acts (that isn't resolved in those acts) gets a satisfying payoff, at all. If you took out Amaurot and Emet-Selch, literally everything in the game becomes unsatisfying and uninteresting. That sure as shit ain't good writing.

Something to bear in mind with a story: having the BEST finale humanly possible doesn't make up for everything else being a pain to slog through. Consistently solid writing will always be better than drivel that ends with a flourish - and so Heavensward has a better story than ShB in my eyes byfar. Consistent pacing, consistent worldbuilding and character development, a story that operates mostly on showing rather than telling, and which doesn't feature CALL AN AMBULANCE... BUT NOT FOR ME! as a trope (much less, twice in a fucking row). It never reaches quite as high as ShB's final act, but it also doesn't get as sophomoric and stupid as its third act.

I should add - most of the folks who were into roleplaying when younger that had any actual knack or talent for writing... give that up around 16-18. At least, MMO roleplaying. Writing a story with one or two other people can be quite a jolly good time, but you're also able to -vet- those people for competence. People who... continue to press on with it in MMOs are generally losers seeking escapism, who aren't good enough to get vetted by anyone with ability, who believe that imitating DBZ or Inuyasha (except THEY get all the sexual conquest) is the true height of writing.

But those people also go on to write shit like Twilight or 50 Shades, so maybe learning to tell a competent story is overrated.
 
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I should add - most of the folks who were into roleplaying when younger that had any actual knack or talent for writing... give that up around 16-18. At least, MMO roleplaying. Writing a story with one or two other people can be quite a jolly good time, but you're also able to -vet- those people for competence. People who... continue to press on with it in MMOs are generally losers seeking escapism, who aren't good enough to get vetted by anyone with ability, who believe that imitating DBZ or Inuyasha (except THEY get all the sexual conquest) is the true height of writing.

I remember back in the day I got a pretty decent following for a character I made in WoW. It was basically a speculation on the factions attitudes on the Pandaren because the lore wrote them as mary-sues and Blizzard wasn't doing anything with them at the time so it was free real estate. It wasn't perfect and looking back it might've been a little extreme given what happened to her, but everyone else seemed to really like her so I'll let you be the judge.

This character I made was basically the result of the divide in Pandaria during the war. While you had certain people going one way you also had people going the other and on a remote village off shore of the continent where 85% of the denizens wanted to be left alone and the Alliance were pressing for occupancy. (I can't remember why I think it was because they wanted to control the territory off shore to prevent horde ships from entering through the Jade Forest) So the Horde offered them a deal to remove the Alliance and to return sovereignty to the island, but this pissed off the other denizens who wanted the Alliance to stay because the Alliance was promising them trade and support, but the denizens who wanted the Alliance gone were concerned the war in the Jade Forest was going to spread to their lands and cause a Sha outbreak.

So the character I made who was furious her parents supported the Horde went and reported this to one of her Alliance friends who happened to have a place in power. The Alliance was worried the Horde was going to launch a strike against the island and already the Alliance was weary of the Pandarens and their turn-coat ways because of their faction split and loyalty issues. So the Alliance rounded up every sympathizer and had them bring out their families, friends, everyone they knew and demanded they prove their loyalty by shooting them. The character I made shot her parents and her brother down and that kicks off where she was in the game.

Again not perfect, but people in game would shower me with praise for this character. lol
 
I'm still floored that people are willing to pay 15 bucks a month just to stand around and be a slut in an mmo instead of doing something mildly productive with their lives. How much fun could standing around for 18 hours a day in an online game being a fag instead of you know...playing the fucking game be?

Also haha, I'm one of the lucky ones to have never been bothered by a degenerate. They can sense I'm not into it and it keeps em away. Actually no, I take that back. I'm a Viera so I attract every single lesbian within a 12 mile radius.
 
I'm still floored that people are willing to pay 15 bucks a month just to stand around and be a slut in an mmo instead of doing something mildly productive with their lives. How much fun could standing around for 18 hours a day in an online game being a fag instead of you know...playing the fucking game be?

Also haha, I'm one of the lucky ones to have never been bothered by a degenerate. They can sense I'm not into it and it keeps em away. Actually no, I take that back. I'm a Viera so I attract every single lesbian within a 12 mile radius.

It's really easy to just log into something familiar and run around limsa or uldah for 2-3 hours. It gets depressing as shit though. I'm playing other games, it is minimally productive and I'm doing something.

I guess men are just horny all the time, and xiv men have a massive exhibitionist fetish. Having other people involved in their fetishes turns them on. There's a reason 14 discords always have a nsfw channel or a nsfw discord attached.
 
I greatly disagree that SB's storytelling was bad. IF you pretend Ala Mihgo didn't exist.

Doma was filled with lots of excellent stuff.
I mean. You're actively ignoring an entire half of SB at this point. If that doesn't tell you the writing's bad...

Don't get me wrong, I loved the Doma sections, but I also recognise they're tropey, cliched writing that's just executed competently. About par for video game and MMO writing, really. I still have no idea how they managed to mangle the Ala Mhigger sections so badly, however.
 
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