The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Trump's Chosen]

So, if you're personally perturbed by abortion for non-religious reasons, I get that.

Why would you get someone being perturbed by that? What's perturbing about it?

Edit: Lmao, you literally rope me into being serious and asking a serious question for the first time on this site and then you refuse to answer

 

[ChikN10der]

I'll say it again since you missed it somehow: I'm opposed to murdering people because murder is wrong. Not based on anyone's theology.

If my belief that murder is wrong gets me murdered, murder is still wrong.

I also think false imprisonment is bad. I see no conflict there, but we're getting into some pretty desperate strawmanning at this point

 

[Mr. Bung]

Males annul these “potential lives” through condoms as much as they do with masturbation, or any non-vaginal intercourse, since the sperm is vital for the ultimate conception of a child. But you don’t see people stigmatizing males for that, and for obvious reasons!

Sperm are gametes, cells created by the body and are part of the body in the same way skin cells or blood cells are. Their purpose is to deliver their set of genetic material to the egg so that life can begin developing. Masturbation is a loss of cells in the same way bleeding is a loss of cells, there's no waste of life in it.

Life begins when a sperm cell joins with the egg and cell division starts, before that moment they're all just bodily cells.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Edit: Lmao, you literally rope me into being serious and asking a serious question for the first time on this site and then you refuse to answer

Fuck, you're being a petulant little shit, aren't you?

To answer your question, I get that you think abortion is murder.

Again, the question is when does life begin. Personally, I don't think it begins until after birth or very late into the pregnancy but that's just me.

 

[ChikN10der]

Sperm are gametes, cells created by the body and are part of the body in the same way skin cells or blood cells are. Their purpose is to deliver their set of genetic material to the egg so that life can begin developing. Masturbation is a loss of cells in the same way bleeding is a loss of cells, there's no waste of life in it.

Life begins when a sperm cell joins with the egg and cell division starts, before that moment they're all just bodily cells.

Science!
Yes thank you.
The period between conception and birth is where the actual debate lies.

Is it a baby the moment the sperm enters the ovum? I don't think so, but the process has begun.
Is the crying fully formed baby just after birth a human baby? Yes.
So, if we're being honest, at some point a "clump of cells" becomes a human being.

I don't think that's a day before birth, and I don't think it's the day after conception. A heartbeat seems like a good cutoff to me, but I'm open to debate on it.

 

[Trump's Chosen]

Fuck, you're being a petulant little shit, aren't you?

To answer your question, I get that you think abortion is murder.

Again, the question is when does life begin. Personally, I don't think it begins until after birth or very late into the pregnancy but that's just me.

I don't think you get it. You'll say the words. But I don't think you really get the perspective.

I think you were trying to appear magnanimous. You've already expressed how important it is not to be perceived bad in social situations and essentially made the point a couple of times that it should trump one's political or moral convictions.

If you get that someone thinks it's murder, like really get it, then you wouldn't think that social pressure or political expediency would get someone to drop or concede that issue. Ever.

I like to think that I'm wise enough for a young guy that I will never convince you otherwise either and that any attempt will only get you to dig your heels in and start to believe more how important it is to defend roe v. wade. Maybe you would have to deal with the guilt of having been responsible for one (if you have been responsible one), if you'd ever change your mind. Fuck if I know. I'm mostly trying to laugh at the dark dark shit that goes on in this world, but you had to take it to serious place, so this will probably be the only time I'm vaguely serious.

I also don't believe your advice to drop abortion is genuine well-meant. I think it comes from the desperation that it might change. And if it ever changes, you would be forced to accept it, for fear of being a neckbeard leftist, looked down upon for not being with the times that abortion is murder. I think that would gall you, but you would do it. But you don't want to do it, so you try to get people to drop it, so that you'll never have to.

That's what I believe is going on. Now can I get back to posting stupid edgy stuff that makes me laugh?

 

[Not Really Here]

Science!
Yes thank you.
The period between conception and birth is where the actual debate lies.

Is it a baby the moment the sperm enters the ovum? I don't think so, but the process has begun.
Is the crying fully formed baby just after birth a human baby? Yes.
So, if we're being honest, at some point a "clump of cells" becomes a human being.

I don't think that's a day before birth, and I don't think it's the day after conception. A heartbeat seems like a good cutoff to me, but I'm open to debate on it.

If one used ethics, one would have to admit that if you can't pin down the moment life/personality begins forming, then you must err on the side of caution. That would be either a total ban or at least a month before you actually think the start point is.

 

[The Pink Panther]

I am disappointed at the amount of pro-choice motherfuckers on this site. Absolutely disappointed.

You realize that they make the woman shit out the undeveloped baby, stick a needle in its fucking head, and then it shrivels all up like a fucking weed, and then they just throw that sack of human waste out, right? And you're all okay with this? You're okay with this being accessible for people to do instead of motivating personal responsibility and contraceptives and all that jazz? No, but let's have that choice out there and legal. After all, people are naturally irresponsible, and forcing anyone to be responsible in any capacity is an infringement on their rights and therefore the killing of fetuses shall be considered legal and we shall hide our positive promotion of it under a euphemism calling it "pro-choice" to make it an issue of women's rights, thus associating with something that's completely fucking unrelated to the practice at hand to attract emotionally volatile idiots who only view the world through the lens of emotion and having sympathy for people that don't deserve any ounce of sympathy.

And for the moralfaggers about masks out there yes, it can be applied to both, in some cases; although commonly people misunderstand the other side of the matter of that argument in the same way that people do with anti-vaxxers. People should be responsible for themselves in any capacity that they want to be and not have that leeway out there to be an irresponsible fucking piece of living waste. And that goes double for abortion and sexual related matters over anything else.

 

[Not Really Here]

I am disappointed at the amount of pro-choice motherfuckers on this site. Absolutely disappointed.

You realize that they make the woman shit out the undeveloped baby, stick a needle in its fucking head, and then it shrivels all up like a fucking weed, and then they just throw that sack of human waste out, right? And you're all okay with this? You're okay with this being accessible for people to do instead of motivating personal responsibility and contraceptives and all that jazz? No, but let's have that choice out there and legal. After all, people are naturally irresponsible, and forcing anyone to be responsible in any capacity is an infringement on their rights and therefore the killing of fetuses shall be considered legal and we shall hide our positive promotion of it under a euphemism calling it "pro-choice" to make it an issue of women's rights, thus associating with something that's completely fucking unrelated to the practice at hand to attract emotionally volatile idiots who only view the world through the lens of emotion and having sympathy for people that don't deserve any ounce of sympathy.

And for the moralfaggers about masks out there yes, it can be applied to both, in some cases; although commonly people misunderstand the other side of the matter of that argument in the same way that people do with anti-vaxxers. People should be responsible for themselves in any capacity that they want to be and not have that leeway out there to be an irresponsible fucking piece of living waste. And that goes double for abortion and sexual related matters over anything else.

Infantilization of the populace is a feature, not a bug, for authoritarians.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I'll say it again since you missed it somehow: I'm opposed to murdering people because murder is wrong. Not based on anyone's theology.

If my belief that murder is wrong gets me murdered, murder is still wrong.

I also think false imprisonment is bad. I see no conflict there, but we're getting into some pretty desperate strawmanning at this point

So then are you also against masturbation, since you're killing unborn kids in your sperm? Are you also against birth control?

At what point is a clump of cells a human?

It's also hilarious when the pro-life people in this thread are anti-mask. Like, a clump of cells has the right to live, but someone with high-risk conditions does not.

 

[The Pink Panther]

At what point is a clump of cells a human?

I dunno, it's just a clump of cells to me. With the head, the legs, the arms, the hands, the unique body, and it being sentient, it's too small for me to be considered a human or nonetheless an animal of any type.

 

[Freedom Fries]

And this line of reasoning is why so many automatically assume anyone right of Mao is an incel or manosphere type.

The Right shouldn't concede every issue, but the abortion issue is one that they should. It's over and done with and was settled decades before most of us were born. Unless you're over the age of 50 and have a redneck accent straight out of a Herschell Gordon Lewis movie, if you're a guy sperging about abortion, people are going to make incel fedora jokes about you and discredit anything you say without consideration.

Abortion has never been voted on by the general American public and polities of America who do vote on it tend to try and limit it. I don't see why we have to bow forever to some bat-shit insane horrible judicial decree. Also women are about 50-50 on prolife. Yes, women in their teens and early 20s are more likely to be proabortion, I think something like 70%. Women in their 30s tend to begin to switch over and then become majority pro life in their 40s/50s. What a surprise that people who are established, responsible, and actually have kids are more likely to be prolife...

How does any of that translate to making abortion illegal? Who knows, but I imagine it looks something like the abortion laws we see in most of Western Europe, which is basically first 20 weeks or medical necessity.

You realize that they make the woman shit out the undeveloped baby, stick a needle in its fucking head, and then it shrivels all up like a fucking weed

Hey don't forget the part where they rip it apart into manageable sizes and pull it out piece by piece.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

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I dunno, it's just a clump of cells to me. With the head, the legs, the arms, the hands, the unique body, and it being sentient, it's too small for me to be considered a human or nonetheless an animal of any type.

It can't breathe on its own or even digest its own food. That is not a live human and thus not murder

 

[Freedom Fries]

It can't breathe on its own or even digest its own food. That is not a live human and thus not murder

I take it you have yourself listed as a DNR/DNI at your local hospitals then?

 

[Not Really Here]

I take it you have yourself listed as a DNR/DNI at your local hospitals then?

No need, if he can't live without assistance then he can be killed at any time.

 

[The Pink Panther]

It can't breathe on its own or even digest its own food. That is not a live human and thus not murder

Au contraire, por favor. It does ingest nutrients through the umblical cord of the mother's womb, which it requires for sustenance and support. It breathes within the womb within the womb as well. It is a living being, that of which is being a human, the homo sapien as it is characterized in Latin at its early stage. The inception of the human being. It's foolish to consider otherwise. Same with the animal. The animal fetus is still that animal, just at its early stages of life. Life begins at conception, not at birth. It is still a living being inside the womb. You are sticking a needle in the head of a living being.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Au contraire, por favor. It does ingest nutrients through the umblical cord of the mother's womb, which it requires for sustenance and support. It breathes within the womb within the womb as well. It is a living being, that of which is being a human, the homo sapien as it is characterized in Latin at its early stage. The inception of the human being. It's foolish to consider otherwise. Same with the animal. The animal fetus is still that animal, just at its early stages of life. Life begins at conception, not at birth. It is still a living being inside the womb. You are sticking a needle in the head of a living being.

No it doesn't.

But anyway, let's play devil's advocate here.

Are you also for expanding the access to birth control and access to welfare programs for poor women that won't be able to get abortions? If not, you sure as hell ain't pro-life.
Are you also against a nation-wide mask mandate? Because if you are, you aren't pro-life. You are saying then that a fetus's life is more valuable than people who die from covid.

I take it you have yourself listed as a DNR/DNI at your local hospitals then?

Doesn't matter. If someone has the plug pulled on them, it isn't murder or suicide, just like how aborting a fetus isn't murder.

 

[Freedom Fries]

Doesn't matter. If someone has the plug pulled on them, it isn't murder or suicide, just like how aborting a fetus isn't murder.

It's definitely murder to pull the plug on people in a coma. People wake up after a couple days or weeks all the time, sometimes even much longer. Same with people put on the vent. Everyone recognizes that as murder.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

It's definitely murder to pull the plug on people in a coma. People wake up after a couple days or weeks all the time, sometimes even much longer. Same with people put on the vent. Everyone recognizes that as murder.

So when you pull the plug on grandma, you're murdering her?

 

[The Pink Panther]

No it doesn't.

Yes it is, boo boo.

No it doesn't.
But anyway, let's play devil's advocate here.

Ok, I'm down.

Are you also for expanding the access to birth control and access to welfare programs for poor women that won't be able to get abortions? If not, you sure as hell ain't pro-life.

Sure, as long as that money is put to good use. I am somewhat pro-welfare although there are a variety of other ways to solve problems like that other than welfare. Throwing at shit is not always going to benefit, but in cases like this, I'll abide.

Are you also against a nation-wide mask mandate? Because if you are, you aren't pro-life. You are saying then that a fetus's life is more valuable than people who die from covid.

I am quite against that, not because I don't care about people's lives, but it should not be up to the nation to make that decision for the people, but rather the state. We do not live in a country, that being the US, where the nation has more power than the state. The nation gives that power to the states not the other way around usually. The governor should be deciding decisions like that and laws and rules locally, not nationwide.

Of course, you being the disingenuous blue-dog democrat you are you always have to say "if you're against this policy, then you're against what's morally right" because of course if you're against something or you oppose something than that means you yourself are immoral, which is absolutely fucking retarded. Your black and white perspective on the world completely mars your view of policy and politics at large and I hope to God that you break out of that line of thinking because the world is more complex than frivolous matters of what you yourself an insignificant pizza shit like me consider right.