StoneToss religion autism

[soy_king]

Judeo-Christian refers to the term Judeo-Christian values, which is the belief that the values and culture of the west evolved from common themes and moral teachings shared by Christianity and Judaism. Stonetoss is saying (visually) that such a concept is ridiculous because the two religions split in terms of core teachings since the inception of Christianity.

This isn't directly stated by the comic but adds to its point too: Modern Judaism shares very little with any form of Christianity in terms of source material. A lot of Christian's have the impression that the entire old testament is the entirety of the Jewish faith, but in actual fact the core of modern Jewish beliefs is the first 5 books of the old testament (Torah) plus the Talmud, which is a transcription of an Oral Torah and the teachings of a bunch of rabbis. Neither the oral torah or those teachings are in the christian bible at all, and much of the later (and possibly the former considering they were passed down orally for a long time) are newer than Christianity and were created by the Pharisees, the order that killed Jesus. From what I've heard, the teachings of the Talmud differ drastically from those of the new testament and to some extent the old as well.

Disclaimer that I'm not very well informed on Modern Judaism and my understanding of it is either very surface level (what I've said here basically), or from listening to nazi's talk about it (which I have left out, but includes things like Jewish supremacy and the belief that Jesus is in a vat of boiling cum or some shit in the Talmud).

The Talmud is a collection of rabbinical interpretations and debates about the meanings of the Torah from the Sixth Century, which are the the first five books of the Tanakh, or the entire Hebrew bible. The Talmud has less canonical authority than the Torah, but is essentially commentary and viewed as a way to interpret the meaning of the Torah. You then also have later have rabbinical commentaries that are adopted by different schools and philosophies that all disagree with each other and argue over the proper interpretation of the Torah, Tanalh, and Talmud.

Tldr; the Talmud has some religious authority as a text, but isnt the sole basis of jewish beliefs. Nor are you required to adhere to all of it to be a good Jew, which only requires that you fleece the goyim of all his worth and drink the blood of Christian babies on a regular basis.

 

[Jones McCann]

Somebody explain that one.


I'm guessing Israel is the only country where it's invite only?

It's about the belief that the jews were responsible for the death of Christ. Therefore "judeo-christian values" is a bit of an oxymoron.

 

[All Cops Are Based]

It's about the belief that the jews were responsible for the death of Christ. Therefore "judeo-christian values" is a bit of an oxymoron.

Also, it's a popular stance on the "far-right" that Christianity has bad (Judaic) roots, but eventually developed into into a positive cultural force in "Western identity," as it began assimilating pre-Christian/pagan European traditions and aesthetics, and gained more and more distance from Jesus's teachings. (Which were rather egalitarian and are often anachronistically interpreted as early leftist or socialist thinking).

Other than the obvious "jews killed Christ" angle, I always saw that comic as partially being a metaphor for that, but I could be wrong.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Judeo-Christian refers to the term Judeo-Christian values, which is the belief that the values and culture of the west evolved from common themes and moral teachings shared by Christianity and Judaism. Stonetoss is saying (visually) that such a concept is ridiculous because the two religions split in terms of core teachings since the inception of Christianity.

This isn't directly stated by the comic but adds to its point too: Modern Judaism shares very little with any form of Christianity in terms of source material. A lot of Christian's have the impression that the entire old testament is the entirety of the Jewish faith, but in actual fact the core of modern Jewish beliefs is the first 5 books of the old testament (Torah) plus the Talmud, which is a transcription of an Oral Torah and the teachings of a bunch of rabbis. Neither the oral torah or those teachings are in the christian bible at all, and much of the later (and possibly the former considering they were passed down orally for a long time) are newer than Christianity and were created by the Pharisees, the order that killed Jesus. From what I've heard, the teachings of the Talmud differ drastically from those of the new testament and to some extent the old as well.

Disclaimer that I'm not very well informed on Modern Judaism and my understanding of it is either very surface level (what I've said here basically), or from listening to nazi's talk about it (which I have left out, but includes things like Jewish supremacy and the belief that Jesus is in a vat of boiling cum or some shit in the Talmud).

You're right.

That's also the reason why many neocons shill for Israel, they think they're protecting their Jewish "brothers".

 

[Dante Alighieri]

You're right.

That's also the reason why many neocons shill for Israel, they think they're protecting their Jewish "brothers".

Nah I'm pretty sure that's just the military industrial complex at work.

 

[Robert James]

Somebody explain that one.

He's pointing out that it's an oxymoron since Judeo values tend to screw over Christian values like the first time the two ever had conflict and how it lead to the death of Christ. This is stonetoss, he follows the mentality that since jews hold a lot of power in politics, media, entertainment etc that they are to blame for a society that wants to kill it's Christian roots.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Nah I'm pretty sure that's just the military industrial complex at work.

Not every Evangelical Christian is part of that, though.

 

[Dante Alighieri]

Not every Evangelical Christian is part of that, though.

No but they're the "useful idiots" so to speak that are fine with such aid to Israel.

 

[AnOminous]

He's pointing out that it's an oxymoron since Judeo values tend to screw over Christian values like the first time the two ever had conflict and how it lead to the death of Christ. This is stonetoss, he follows the mentality that since jews hold a lot of power in politics, media, entertainment etc that they are to blame for a society that wants to kill it's Christian roots.

If it hadn't been for Christians using Jews for banking while pretending they were too good to do such things, if Muslims had done the same instead, they'd be living in a modern wired society while we'd be the primitive goatfuckers. The fact is a modern economy can't even exist without capital and capitalism and that means banking, interest, and all that other shit.

 

[Robert James]

If it hadn't been for Christians using Jews for banking while pretending they were too good to do such things, if Muslims had done the same instead, they'd be living in a modern wired society while we'd be the primitive goatfuckers. The fact is a modern economy can't even exist without capital and capitalism and that means banking, interest, and all that other shit.

.... I never mentioned the banks. Do you mean the guys Jesus whipped, sure but his issue was more of the fact that they were doing it in a temple and not that they were doing it.

 

[FuckedUp]

I like how 95% of posts in this thread aren't about the webcomic itself.

 

[soy_king]

.... I never mentioned the banks. Do you mean the guys Jesus whipped, sure but his issue was more of the fact that they were doing it in a temple and not that they were doing it.

He's referring to the fact that the "Jews own the world by controlling the banks" argument arose mostly from the actions of the Medieval Catholic Church and its prohibition on Christians engaging in usury against other Christians, which resulted in Jews filling the role as a Medieval protobanking system that eventually gave rise to modern banking and capitalism

 

[Pepsi-Cola]

Judeo-Christian refers to the term Judeo-Christian values, which is the belief that the values and culture of the west evolved from common themes and moral teachings shared by Christianity and Judaism. Stonetoss is saying (visually) that such a concept is ridiculous because the two religions split in terms of core teachings since the inception of Christianity.

This isn't directly stated by the comic but adds to its point too: Modern Judaism shares very little with any form of Christianity in terms of source material. A lot of Christian's have the impression that the entire old testament is the entirety of the Jewish faith, but in actual fact the core of modern Jewish beliefs is the first 5 books of the old testament (Torah) plus the Talmud, which is a transcription of an Oral Torah and the teachings of a bunch of rabbis. Neither the oral torah or those teachings are in the christian bible at all, and much of the later (and possibly the former considering they were passed down orally for a long time) are newer than Christianity and were created by the Pharisees, the order that killed Jesus. From what I've heard, the teachings of the Talmud differ drastically from those of the new testament and to some extent the old as well.

Disclaimer that I'm not very well informed on Modern Judaism and my understanding of it is either very surface level (what I've said here basically), or from listening to nazi's talk about it (which I have left out, but includes things like Jewish supremacy and the belief that Jesus is in a vat of boiling cum or some shit in the Talmud).

Yes technically the Religions are wildly different but the core values (chastity, humility, diligence, patience, etc etc) are pretty consistent. There's a reason Jews are one of the only minority groups to thrive in Christian-majority countries historically.

 

[Rekkington]

Yes technically the Religions are wildly different but the core values (chastity, humility, diligence, patience, etc etc) are pretty consistent. There's a reason Jews are one of the only minority groups to thrive in Christian-majority countries historically.

lol uh yeah, patience and loving jews, you really got a masterful read on christianity.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Yes technically the Religions are wildly different but the core values (chastity, humility, diligence, patience, etc etc) are pretty consistent. There's a reason Jews are one of the only minority groups to thrive in Christian-majority countries historically.

The yoruba beliefs have no core values of chastity, humility, digiligence or patience. Instead the core values are war, hunting, divination, trickery and joy. In that sense it's somewhat similar to various other pagan religions.

There are plenty of religions that don't have those core values and religions put different values at different level at the hierarchy. Besides, many minority groups thrived in Christian countries. Jews are one of the very few groups that didn't assimilate and would rather leave than become christian.

 

[Pepsi-Cola]

lol uh yeah, patience and loving jews, you really got a masterful read on christianity.

Yes I've read the bible and can tell you, at it's core, Christianity is just Judaism without the special club privileges of being a Jew. Both Jews and Christians have similar views on what constitutes a sin and how you can atone for them. Both Jews and Christians have similar views on what constitutes virtue. Both slice up baby dicks. On a practical level they overlap a lot and that's just to be expected seeing as Christianity evolved from a fringe sect of Judaism.

Besides, many minority groups thrived in Christian countries. Jews are one of the very few groups that didn't assimilate and would rather leave than become christian.

I mean if this is true, why aren't Roma gypsies running their own banks and entertainment industries? Where did the south-european muslims in places like Spain and Italy go? Why did Paganism die out so quickly in Eastern and Northern Europe once the elites converted to Christianity?

I'm not trying to say that Jews didn't face persecution, but the fact that they're as successful as they are today without having to assimilate shows that they're more than capable functioning fine alongside European Christians. Because really at the end of the day the two religions aren't all that dissimilar.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I mean if this is true, why aren't Roma gypsies running their own banks and entertainment industries?

Different civilizational niches.

Where did the south-european muslims in places like Spain and Italy go?

So strange that conquerors get treated differently than openly received immigrants.

Why did Paganism die out so quickly in Eastern and Northern Europe once the elites converted to Christianity?

No idea where you're going with this question, so I'll answer it simply. Religious persecution.

I'm not trying to say that Jews didn't face persecution, but the fact that they're as successful as they are today without having to assimilate shows that they're more than capable functioning fine alongside European Christians.

Part of the reason you're succesful is that you get to hide among europeans, speak "as a white man", even while directing attacks towards them.

The catholics tried Sicut Judaeis, where it was agreed nobody could harm jews or force them to convert, and in turn jews must display themselves to be jews openly and also be barred from public offices.

If they're not barred from public office you get this leader of the 2nd biggest German party:

Is he a servant of the German people? Should Germans be happy he thrives among them?

Christianity is just Judaism without the special club privileges of being a Jew

First, the study of a religion is not just the study of their holy words.

Second you could say that protestantism is just catholicism without the pope, but that too is both an oversimplification and it would make it hard to understand why there has been so much conflict between the two.

These two also have different ideas about atonement to sin. So since "christianity" doesn't have the same idea as itself, so how it could be identical to judaism is an impossibility.

Both Jews and Christians have similar views on what constitutes virtue. Both slice up baby dicks

Only americans. No other christians do this. Didn't even come from the religion, but from a breakfast man.

 

[Pepsi-Cola]

Second you could say that protestantism is just catholicism without the pope, but that too is both an oversimplification and it would make it hard to understand why there has been so much conflict between the two.

These two also have different ideas about atonement to sin. So since "christianity" doesn't have the same idea as itself, so how it could be identical to judaism is an impossibility.

I mean yeah Protestantism basically is just catholicism without the pope, on a practical level. We could argue theological differences for days but on a practical level, how every day adherence effects the average guy, Protestants and Catholics really aren't all that different.

I'm not saying Judaism and Christianity are the same case, but at a core level, when you view things practically beyond inane metaphysical theological differences (which is I think the only intelligent way to view Religion if you're not spiritual), Judaism and Christianity serve the same sociological purpose. Family first. Atone for your sins. Don't fuck like crazy before you're married. Be nice to your neighbor. Go to church/synagogue to keep in touch with the community. Etc etc.

Jews and Christians existed alongside each other without one completely exterminating the other because there's a lot of common morality shared between the two that keep them somewhat alike.

I think WW2 is a bit of an exception to this though obviously lol.

 

[Rekkington]

I mean yeah Protestantism basically is just catholicism without the pope, on a practical level.

No its not. You keep saying shit like "essentially the same" or "on a practical level" like that means anything. This is you just going onto a car forum and saying you see no difference between a Jeep and a Motorcycle cause they serve the same purpose of moving in a direction. Fuck how they're built, the design history, the actual stated purpose, how they're used, how they these ones survived while others failed, fuck all that, I see wheels and I see engines, why does anybody care about anything?
Like I said before, all you're doing is proving your own careless ignorance on the topic , and you just explaining how you see zero difference is just a strange repeating self-own that you insist on subjecting us all to.

 

[AnOminous]

No its not. You keep saying shit like "essentially the same" or "on a practical level" like that means anything.

It does though. Jews are awesome. Completely unironically.