Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[GenociderSyo]

One thing that gets overlooked in all this was there used to be rules to make sure that people attempting to access these surgeries were mentally sound and choosing to do so from a good place. They used to be required to do a year of counseling and spend at least 6 months to a year socially as the new sex before these surgeries were okayed. Now though we have clinics that bypass this by pretending to support mental health and checking patients. People can't even research the effects because transgender is considered the most protected of protected classes and any study on them NOT done by one of these special clinics is considered to harmful.

 

[Miss Misery]

One thing that gets overlooked in all this was there used to be rules to make sure that people attempting to access these surgeries were mentally sound and choosing to do so from a good place. They used to be required to do a year of counseling and spend at least 6 months to a year socially as the new sex before these surgeries were okayed.

Yeah because the troons and trenders, who claim that gender dysphoria isn't needed to be trans, consider that "gatekeeping" rather than due diligence.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

there's an older queer saying for that, "easier to make a hole than a pole"

It's not a queer saying. It's what surgeons who operated on intersex children often said in the past.

It's easier to dig a hole than build a pole - it's easier to create a fake vagina out of intersex genitals than to create a fake penis. Lot's of intersex children got the troon srs treatment as babies or toddlers against their will.

Intersex activists are fighting for childrens body to not get harmed while troon activists advocate for child srs.

https://4thwavenow.com/2019/06/29/vermont-set-to-join-handful-of-states-in-removing-srs-minimum-age-for-medicaid-recipients/

 

[Fapcop]

Cancer is a deadly disease- compassionate use and clinical trials for deadly disease are a different situation from this. You can't use therapy to cope with a brain tumor and wait to get surgery. It's a changing disease process, and must be treated. Using informed consent in life-threatening cases is sensible and of benefit.

Bottom surgery, even hormonal therapies, are for a static condition. Much like someone with, say, a benign tumor in an external place, surgery can always wait. Having no vagina is not life-threatening on a physical level and there's no need to make exceptions to accommodate a rush to surgery. Using informed consent in these cases is only ethically acceptable for standard procedures, not experimental ones.

Gender dysphoria is absolutely life threatening though. FOURTY ONE PERCENT!

That would pretty much be the counter argument.

(Of course, in a sane world, the response from authorities to gender dysphoria being so life threatening, would obviously be to institutionalize those people for their own safety.)

One thing that gets overlooked in all this was there used to be rules to make sure that people attempting to access these surgeries were mentally sound and choosing to do so from a good place. They used to be required to do a year of counseling and spend at least 6 months to a year socially as the new sex before these surgeries were okayed. Now though we have clinics that bypass this by pretending to support mental health and checking patients. People can't even research the effects because transgender is considered the most protected of protected classes and any study on them NOT done by one of these special clinics is considered to harmful.

Exactly. Surgery was considered the last resort. When years of therapy and medicinal treatments had already been tried.

I wish there were better functioning, easier surgical options for the trans people that really need it.

I’m glad there isn’t, because A: That would only be a further drain on healthcare costs, and B: Even more people would get these surgeries and slide further down the slope of delusion.


Also: “Better functioning, easier surgical options”?! Like what?

In a few years or a decade from now, we might be able to grow organs in tanks. Maaaaaybe even a penis or vagina. But guess what, once you connect it, none of the plumbing will be there.

And that’s the fundamental problem: You’re trying to do something that’s impossible. If you were born a man/woman we might be able to slap on some sort of replica of the opposite genders sex organs, but it’ll never be even close to the real thing.

TLDR: Troons are basically asking for the impossible.

 

[remiem]

And that’s the fundamental problem: You’re trying to do something that’s impossible. If you were born a man/woman we might be able to slap on some sort of replica of the opposite genders sex organs, but it’ll never be even close to the real thing.

TLDR: Troons are basically asking for the impossible.

IMO. The only way you'll get to the point that it's 100% successful is if you reach the point that you could transplant a brain and literally place them into a properly sexed body. It'd arguably be 'easier' then managing to come up with a method to grow and insert fully functional opposite sex organs which still would never be 100% functional on a opposite sex body because our gender is embedded right down to our DNA. Although if you go by their ideas for uterus transplants I somehow doubt all the Aiden's will be lining up to give their female bodies to some of the ugliest men in existence, they'd all be fighting over the chad jaw ones, and vice versa on any man wanting some of the doughy Aiden bodies.

Realistically through, If humanity ever reaches brain transplant point we will likely be able to 'cure' the mental illness with some form of medication

 

[cuddle striker]

Former Club Kid Amanda Lepore's neovag is the only one I've seen that seems to have been remotely successful: which is ironic because she had it done in the mid-1980s.

it's pretty close to a zero-depth, mentioned at the end of the OP as the only safe available surgery

 

[The Spice boi]

This is gross. Utter fucking degeneracy at its worst.

I'm actually really big into medical mishaps and horror stories (call it a sick curiosity I suppose) but this thread is too much. I actually feel physically unwell reading this.

So yeah, good op. Truly horrifying stuff

 

[*extremely mom voice*]

I know someone from my gaming group who got botched by one of these surgeons. Pretty sure the surgeon was Rumer. He suffered extensive nerve damage, lost the ability to orgasm, and couldn't walk without pain for months. Sometimes he still uses a cane, and he's fairly young. None of this was treated as unusual or unjust, just a bump in the road towards being his True Self. Whenever he would mention something about feeling depressed or out of it or even a touch regretful, his well-meaning friends, cis and trans, would just regurgitate chipper pro-trans talking points at him.

From an outsider's perspective, the whole thing was shocking to watch. No one ever told him he didn't remotely pass, they just lied to him and complimented his chipped nail polish. The further he got into transition, the more he was supported by a web of socially acceptable lies.

Curiosity about what led him there is part of how I started reading the Farms.

Before transition, he was a possibly autistic, emotionally delicate beta male. Becoming a woman was his number one fetish, but the actual process killed his sex drive. He's currently dating an equally sexless MtF and they play a lot of Warhammer together.

 

[Miss Misery]

it's pretty close to a zero-depth, mentioned at the end of the OP as the only safe available surgery

I don't know much about neovaginas, but her hair looks fierce.*

* The number of preteen and child dance troupes with routines to this song on YT is horrifying.

 

[repentance]

I’m glad there isn’t, because A: That would only be a further drain on healthcare costs, and B: Even more people would get these surgeries and slide further down the slope of delusion.

There are now SRS surgeons doing penis-sparing vaginoplasty, allowing troons to have a neovagina created while keeping their penis. Making surgery easier to obtain would just lead to more freakish surgeries.

This link is to photos of revisions done on the work of other surgeons.

Vaginoplasty re do

Case 2 was the OP of this thread on Susan's Place

Suporn's FailureS ..... Who else?

Suporn's FailureS ..... Who else?

www.susans.org

Suporn's clinic manager found the OP's thread and her response was hostile, to say the least.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

There are now SRS surgeons doing penis-sparing vaginoplasty, allowing troons to have a neovagina created while keeping their penis. Making surgery easier to obtain would just lead to more freakish surgeries.

This link is to photos of revisions done on the work of other surgeons.

Vaginoplasty re do

Case 2 was the OP of this thread on Susan's Place

Suporn's FailureS ..... Who else?

Suporn's FailureS ..... Who else?

www.susans.org

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Suporn's clinic manager found the OP's thread and her response was hostile, to say the least.

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Some or (many?) people who work at the clinic seem to be just as delusional as their troon customers. The clinic manager tells him that his srs disaster is perfect while he is like "Uhm, no I'm numb and orgasms are bad."

This makes me think that many troons just repeat what the surgeon says. If the surgon says it looks great and they can have super duper awesone orgasms they claim the same shit on twitter/reddit even tho they have the opposite experience.

 

[雑音🐈]

If you meant aesthetically, the answer is pretty much "no". From what I've seen this is considered a good result; it's obviously not real from the folds and texture but it might not get clocked from a few feet away & a sympathetic person might mistake it for some kind of severe injury. If he opened his legs it'd obviously be a fake-it's just not possible to recreate the relative size and location using men's parts.

If you meant "allows for sex", the answer is "yes"..... but it's obviously going to feel very different because we're talking about lubricated scrotal/penile or colon tissue. The unique microflora environment down there + the fact that a neovagina's basically an open wound also means both men are putting themselves at serious risk of new and horrible STDs.

For those who haven't seen it, Jim's "How the Sausage is Made" video has more than you could possibly need to know on these surgeries:

Transtastic Tales Episode 1: How The Sausage Is Made

GENDER REVEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

www.bitchute.com

Wow that looks nothing like a real vulva. I guess the only real criterion is that there's no visible chunks of rotting flesh in terms of aesthetics.
I wonder if the kind of surgery that doesn't attempt to create a vaginal opening is any more realistic. I don't know why troons insist on getting the canal put in, it's not like penetrative sex is ever going to be enjoyable and it seems kind of a risk that it will make the whole thing fall apart.

 

[cuddle striker]

From the Sideshow thread:
Deschamps

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Trans surgeries really seem to be just a cover for doctors who want to surgically experiment on people. And what a surprise, the surgeon fucking ghosted her when she complained about the complications.

And the OP confirms it
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[CORRUPT🍀]

^^
I was just thinking this. It's like a haircut, it probably easy to be convinced thst what result you have is standard. I mean he many people are gonna see it?

 

[Y2K Baby]

I got a bigger penis.,

 

[Old Fart]

Here is Dr Satterwhite’s legally restrained patient, real name Emily Smith:

https://www.gofundme.com/f/autistic-trans-girl-ruined-by-evil-surgeon

include photo. It’s healed. It’s horrible!

Spoiler: Don’t look!

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I was inclined to believe the victim, but then I saw this:

...and those are thousands commas. Clearly a serious fundraiser.

 

[Bec]

Even if you support transition there's no reason why you should support current SRS surgery's. They are fucking disgusting and mutilation and there is a recently study showing that it doesn't even really have a mental health benefit.

 

[Kiislova]

This might be a bit on the sperg side but regarding the side effects of hormone treatments and the absolute blackout on researcho on long term side effects of HRT, there is a way to gauge (more or less) the long term effects of these chemicals on the body.
Cancer patients.

For some cancer/tumors (mammaries, pituitary and others) the body will essentially shut down all production of certain or all hormones, forcing the patient to take hormones, to a certain extent "just like" a troon would, so I would expect troons to have the same (if not more severe version of) these symptoms. Keep in mind hormones are used both as treatment and as rplacement to keep the person alive once the cancer is "gone" from the body. Some references:

https://www.cancer.org/cancer/pituitary-tumors/after-treatment/follow-up.html

"increased risk of developing high blood pressure and heart failure [...] and colon cancer"
"Diabetes insipidus can be a short-term result of surgery, but in some cases it might last longer."

https://www.oncolink.org/cancer-treatment/hormone-therapy/hormone-therapy-the-basics

"hair loss or thinning, muscle aches and joint pain, and, more seriously, blood clots and increased risk of uterine/endometrial cancer [...] Osteoporosis"
(Funny note, our friendly puberty blocker "Lupron" is listed on this article as an oncologic hormone treatment)

 

[Ducky!]

The only good thing about my country is we lynch the trannies.

I can almost wrap my head around getting a mastectomy if you feel “dysphoria”. Fine, whatever. But it blows my mind how anybody would want a scalpel near their genitals

 

[Fapcop]

Even if you support transition there's no reason why you should support current SRS surgery's they are fucking disgusting and mutilation and there is a recently study showing that it doesn't even really have a mental health benefit.

Amen!

I guess I support transition.

I mean, personally I think it’s rather pointless and dumb, but as long as you don’t tell others what to think and say, and demand access to female spaces: Go ahead. It’s your life.

But SRS is a whole other bucket of fish. The benefits are far from proven and it is a drain on healthcare resources and spending in a time where there isn’t enough of the two.

The only proven benefit of SRS as far as I can tell, is that it has made a bunch of doctors a whole lot of money.