Do assassins of US Presidents have any fanboys/girls? Any armchair anarchists who think Czolgosz Was Right, or teenage girls drooling over Oswald's bod?
I don't think I'll ever understand people who crush on and idolize real life killers. They don't even have to be good looking for the fangirls to come crawling out of the woodwork, I've learned.
Hell, I've come across an astonishing number of Josef Mengele fangirls over the years, as well. I don't see the appeal in revering people who tortured and murdered innocent people who had friends, families, and lives that they wanted to continue living.
The attempts they make to chibi-fy Richard Ramirez and make him cute are particularly funny when you consider how fucking dirty and gross he was purported to be in reality.
Always smiling
Most of his teeth had rotted out by the time he was an adult.
As awful as his teeth is, at least it is not Nick Bate's teeth. However, the fact that people still ponify and kawaiify him is incredibly fucked up due to his incredibly heinous actions alone.
I dated a girl like this. She was otherwise pretty much normal. She just really liked to be pen-pals with people like Charles Manson. I think it was an extension of her interest in crime-scene dramas and the whole medical forensics scene. I mean, anyone who wants to work with cadavers might be expected to have some odd choices for leisure activities. I know some people who work as Early Responders and similar emergency medical units often are known to view "watch people die" type videos for various reasons. Death is romanticized all the time, really, even Disney gets in on it.
Speculating, women in general tend to be attracted to the "bad boys", and I think maybe the unhealthier side of this is kinda like that, only the neurons misfired somewhere along the way and instead of "bad boys" they latched onto "guys who might actually kill me". Could also have some undertones of prior abuse, or a misunderstanding over displays of violence being mis-associated with displays of affection, the "he only beats me because he loves me" type.
I honestly feel really sad for girls and boys who fall for serial killers. That kind of shit no doubt is flat-out bound to be an incredibly abusive relationship kind of like the Joker and Harley Quinn's relationship in Batman actually.
Oh boy oh boy. Like many in this thread, I have an interest in true crime and serial killers that kind of budded off of my love of horror movies. I've also had a fascination with the serial killer and mass shooter fandom. I think I might be a fan of the fandom, in a weird way. These girls (and some boys, but let's face it, mostly girls) going out of their way to find redemption in people who murdered multiple innocent people in cold blood and drawing fan art and writing fic... I don't know. The fact that they approach it like any other fandom gives me a sense of morbid amusement. It's kind of like how my favorite thing about The Human Centipede is the fan-made craft tributes it spawned, only way more fucked up because, you know, this fandom is focused on guys who killed actual, real people.
If you're big into horror, you will inevitably run into these kinds of people, since there's a ton of crossover between the hybristophiliacs and the slasher movie fandom in particular. I don't doubt a lot of these girls might have used slasher movies as something of a gateway drug. There's a reason that you will see merch related to true crime at horror cons.
Also I am writing a thing about a murderous serial killer fangirl right now so this thread just makes me giddy.
What kind of fan club is this? Next thing you'll see, they'll be worshipping Cho Heung Sui and Anders Breivik. Breivik however was motivated by politics but that still doesn't justify his murders.
Cho Heung Sui doesn't have many fangirls. Neither do the D.C. shooters, for that matter. Most serial killers and spree shooters that get idolized tend to be white men, and the more popular ones (Dahmer, Bundy, James Holmes, Harris and Klebold, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev) tend to be more conventionally, er, "handsome," I guess. Uggos like Ed Gein get fangirls probably more due to the sensationalist nature of their crimes.
I could sperg all day about the true crime fangirls, but I'm not even halfway through the thread yet and I just wanted to post this before I get distracted by something else. But yeah.
To me, what's really sad is how this isn't even that far removed from mainstream thought. Look at all the retards out there who cried about how guys like the Columbine Kids were misunderstood and bullied. They weren't. Harris and Klebold were human garbage their whole miserable lives. Yet people like Eddie Vedder and Gus Van Sant and Jodi Picoult get to fawn over them like they were tragic, misunderstood souls and no one called them out.
Fortunately, the tide finally seems to be turning against that line of thought in the mainstream. Personally, I attribute it to Sandy Hook. Adam Lanza snapped almost everybody back into reality through the sheer force of his depravity. There are still entirely too many people in the wrong school of thought, but it's nice that they're finally on the losing side.
The Boston Marathon bomber asshole actually had fans in the courtroom if I had read correctly. They legitimately wept when the judge gave out the death sentence. I have to ask this:
Why?
Why even shed tears for a cold hearted killer who has not a single shred of human remorse for what he did?
I really hate having to link a fucking Gawker story, but Max Reed actually wrote a really good article on this. A lot of the Tsarnaev fangirls are truthers who believe the Jews did it or something. A lot of others are just bleeding hearts who are in it to push for "rehabilitating" Dzhokhar.* Then there are some ones who actually are part of the edge crowd and like him because he's cute, but the ones who are really serious and actually head over to his trial and protest for him and all that are almost exclusively in the first two camps.
You can go to Infowars or its assorted clones right now and read similar writings to the #FreeJahar campaign in their coverage of the Boston Bombing, assuming you hate your life and want to waste as much of it as possible.
*Which I think is retarded, but at least unlike the other two groups, their hearts are actually in the right place.
You can go to Infowars or its assorted clones right now and read similar writings to the #FreeJahar campaign in their coverage of the Boston Bombing, assuming you hate your life and want to waste as much of it as possible.
Even having a regular roommate was enough to drive me to drink. One who reads Infowars would drive me to drink until I ripped out their guts and David Crosby'd myself with their liver to prevent cirrhosis.
Even having a regular roommate was enough to drive me to drink. One who reads Infowars would drive me to drink until I ripped out their guts and David Crosby'd myself with their liver to prevent cirrhosis.
Dude what the fuck. All of my flatmates have been pretty legit, we got our own rooms and we do housework together, he's not that bad but he's got opinions and ideas that are a bit cooky for me, but I don't hate him.
He said he doesn't have an opinion on Tsarnav's situation. He doesn't believe that Jews did it.
I can understand people being fans of horror movie monsters like Jason and Freddy and the like... But to be fans of people who did this shit these guys do well - IRL... Fuck these people. This kind of respect and admiration of killers should stick to horror films where that's exactly what you watch this shit for! I've yet to run into anyone who worships this kind of crap (and I'm grateful for that, otherwise - I'm done with these people and any modicum of respect I could ever have for them.), and I hope I don't, knowing how wrong it is to feel sympathy for criminals who brought it upon themselves like this who need to be locked away, or executed in worse cases...
It does warm my heart to know that more and more people are coming out against this kind of behavior when they see it (criminals who take the lives of others for nothing in return do not deserve sympathy, ever!), but that'll only be more obvious once these Tumblrfucks, DeviantArtists, and the like, grow the fuck up already (which ain't happening fast enough, IMHO...).
I remember once reading a magazine interview with one of Fred and Rose West's former nannies. What the poor woman said in the interview actually chilled me. Yes, they were humans, but they were horrible humans that killed children.
I'm sorry if this is in bad taste, but I thought the general rule of thumb was "Don't mention the war"? I have a friend who is German (and might I add awesome as hell) and we had a discussion about Germany, the war and Hitler statues the other day. Rule of thumb is do not mention the war, as Germany are still utterly ashamed of having that shit tacked onto their country.
It's hard for me to take anyone who dismisses bullying seriuosly. Immediately following the event there were dozens of well researched and sourced reports (even quotes from the bullies themselves proud of it!). I specifically love the time article about it. A jock kid talked about how they dressed like 'faggots' and that's 'why we treated them like freaks'. Not quite sure why you wouldn't trust that.
There's a video where Eric and Dylan are walking through Columbine's mostly empty hallway with a video recorder. Four or five jocks walk right through the two of them, shoving them out of the way and knocking the recorder.
A great deal of misinformation - I responded to the top post in length, but the short version is that Cullen claims I didn't experience what I (and tons of other students at that school) experienced. He's going against medical records, police reports, FBI findings and more. So...take it with a grain of salt?
In case you are intrigued by this, here are a selection of interesting quotes from the Q&A. Or read the entire thing.
My family was the one who reported Eric Harris almost two dozen times to the police for death threats and various things which they never followed up on. After the terrible day, my family and I went to the press to show the world that the police botched this one up - and instead the police lied, saying we never did such a thing, then they began telling the media and the families that I was involved in the killing.
Yeah, actually. Fucked up thing? Rachel Scott [the first fatality that day] quit smoking at the behest of a friend that week. She would have probably been at the smokers pit (smoking area just off school property). Life is disturbingly strange.
The ones [cops] in charge left the force and went around teaching other cops how to properly react to shootings. Irony really, since thy responded so poorly that day.
Holy shit, that's a good summation of where my mind is now. [regarding what happened psychologically between Eric and Dylan]
Eric and Dylan essentially had a horrific feedback loop of hatred between them that grew. you nailed it. However, I still think the cops could have stopped it.
"What outside factors do you think contributed to it?"
Many. Bullying, the school administration, parents, the culture we live in, etc. Some are bigger factors than others, and they rarely come together just right - that 'perfect storm' of factors - to allow this to happen. That's why it is exceedingly rare.
Top two? Bullying and mental health. Eric was on Luvox and wrote about how he'd go on and off his drug often to gain 'greater self-awareness'. That's not healthy. Couple that with being the bottom rung of the school shit-list, and it's a bad thing.
I wouldn't say 'twist and spin'. The reporters I met honestly wanted to tell the truth. The nature of news, however, is that you have to make everything a sound-byte. If it isn't, it gets edited into one. So you can have a singular point of view on these shows, not a nuanced one. You actually learn to speak in 'black and white' terms, which makes the discussion go in one direction. For something like this, you never get anywhere.
"Could you give examples of the bullying culture at Columbine at the time?"
Lets see. One that stands out was covering the cafeteria floor in baby oil and laughing as people fell and hurt themselves, and throwing smaller kids into others like 'bowling'. more than a few injuries, but two guys got suspended for a day, so that's just.
Personally? Walking down the street and having a passing car full of jocks whip a baseball at the back of my head. hilarious, right?
One of the reasons I quit the activism thing is that I learned something (if there is a 'Law' or 'Rule' that explains this, let me know!) about people.
The schools I was invited to speak at were the ones where I was least needed. The ones where I was most needed wouldn't even talk to me. Preaching to the choir is gratifying, at least at first. It feels useless after a while.
When one of the shootings prior to columbine happened (I think it was paducah) people joked that our school was next. Uncertain if everyone in every school joked about that, but it seems odd in retrospect.
I get a lot. And its not easy to tell who's emotionally disturbed and who's just a nice girl writing me to say that my book made her feel better. Fine line, apparently.
Thought he was a joke before, and even more of one afterwards. He would tell stories how I would go into his office and cry about bullying and he was there as a shoulder to cry on - but then he'd say bullying never happened. Odd cat.
They weren't trying to kill kids. They were trying to kill the school. They had shitty bombs that didn't go off (thankfully, my brother was near one), so they went in with guns. They didn't want to kill any specific person. They wanted to school to die.
'Where were Eric and Dylan in the school hierarchy?'
Unathletic, socially awkward. After Columbine I did an hour-long radio piece with the captain of the soccer team who graduated that year. He was a really great guy, but in the opposite position. We talked about how there was a hierarchy at columbine and that they were on the bottom. He thought Iw as in the middle, and he knew he was near the top. It's very strange as to why. I don't know.
Eric as a bully is laugh-out-loud material. He was weak, short, and incredibly awkward. So was Dylan. Were there kids they gave shit to? Of course. It was high school. But them as bullies? Not a chance.
I do believe that you have a point. Kids are not learning how to deal with real-world relationships which can be emotionally difficult. However, In high school if you punched me and I fought back, we would both be suspended. If that happened in the real world, you'd go to jail. The rules should be standard across all ages.
It's pretty far off. Basically, he claims everyone is reactionary and wrong about everything, and states the opposite with almost no sources. Sure, people were reactionary, but they were also generally right. Luvox, bullying, police mishandling, etc. He gets a bunch of stuff really wrong
I have as little trust in the government as the next guy (unless the next guy is Alex Jones). I just got to experience firsthand how retarded these cops were. I can see from the outside it looks orchestrated, but these guys were just dumb. The day of the shooting, the top sheriff locked his keys in his car, and a unit had to pick him up. took him an extra hour to get there. Yes, they're that stupid.
One final quote, relevant to this thread. In response to, "Do you think this tragedy will ever stop affecting you?"
As I told someone today - it gets easier, but never easy. No matter how long it is, I'll be walking through the halls at work, and someone will stop me and tell me that they loved my book. Or I'll open facebook and see one of 3 daily messages/friend requests from strangers or 'Eric and Dylan fanboys/girls'. It'll never get easy.
It's actually simple. There is a lot to the dark triad (narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy) theory, meaning that people who have a certain amount of these traits are found to be erotically and romantically attractive. Some overdo this and become enamored with hardcore criminals, though.
This doesn't mean that you have to be a despicable human being in order to be attractive, there is also a "light side" version of the dark triad, that is, people who are cool and mysterious and aventurous and at the same time moral (think Jean-Luc Picard for a fictional example), and it is also misogynistic fedora bullshit that only girls are attracted to dark triad attributes - when I was a teenager I had a major crush on Wanda Gerschwitz from the movie "A Fish called Wanda" who is a femme fatale and master criminal.
It's actually simple. There is a lot to the dark triad (narcissism, Machiavellianism and psychopathy) theory, meaning that people who have a certain amount of these traits are found to be erotically and romantically attractive. Some overdo this and become enamored with hardcore criminals, though.
This doesn't mean that you have to be a despicable human being in order to be attractive, there is also a "light side" version of the dark triad, that is, people who are cool and mysterious and aventurous and at the same time moral (think Jean-Luc Picard for a fictional example), and it is also misogynistic fedora bullshit that only girls are attracted to dark triad attributes - when I was a teenager I had a major crush on Wanda Gerschwitz from the movie "A Fish called Wanda" who is a femme fatale and master criminal.
Yeah there is actually a strong inherit attraction towards darker/evil characters, regardless if they exist or not. It isn't always sexual thing or only done by women:
It's a universal human thing. Usually people are drawn to them because of projection: they have power over people, have charisma, are underdogs or 'misunderstood' and are more calculative, these aspects are what most people want to see in themselves and they see it more obviously in evil characters.
That is why some people like the Sith, or Caesar's Legion or MOTHERFUCKING SKELETOR - it's because they like those aspects in their personality or life style.
To me, what's really sad is how this isn't even that far removed from mainstream thought. Look at all the retards out there who cried about how guys like the Columbine Kids were misunderstood and bullied. They weren't. Harris and Klebold were human garbage their whole miserable lives. Yet people like Eddie Vedder and Gus Van Sant and Jodi Picoult get to fawn over them like they were tragic, misunderstood souls and no one called them out.
Eric and Dylan were fucking losers. However, they weren't always fucking losers. Early on in high school both were into computers and had interest in becoming programmers - they may have had basic programming skills. Dylan is thought to have been very well adjusted socially, at least until middle school, maybe much longer than that. One teacher liked Eric (the antisocial and later on psychotic one) enough that he offered to tutor Eric in advanced programming, for free.
"Jeremy" was written eight years before Columbine. I don't know of any time Eddie Vedder talked about Columbine.
Marilyn Manson did.
"If you were to talk directly to the kids at Columbine or the people in that community, what would you say to them if they were here right now?"
Marilyn Manson: I wouldn't say a single word to them I would listen to what they have to say, and that's what no one did.
Fortunately, the tide finally seems to be turning against that line of thought in the mainstream. Personally, I attribute it to Sandy Hook. Adam Lanza snapped almost everybody back into reality through the sheer force of his depravity. There are still entirely too many people in the wrong school of thought, but it's nice that they're finally on the losing side. ...
No one idolizes Adam Lanza because he was a fucking autistic dolt with no life, no prospects, no personality. More deranged than Nick Bate. More egomaniacal and retarded than Chris Chan. Simply, unpleasant in every single way. And ugly as hell too.
No one idolizes Adam Lanza because he was a fucking autistic dolt with no life, no prospects, no personality. More deranged than Nick Bate. More egomaniacal and retarded than Chris Chan. Simply, unpleasant in every single way. And ugly as hell too.
heh i just remembered that ramirez was actually married to a freelance editor, who spammed him with letters and
she wanted to commit suicide in case he gets executed. thats how crazy she was for him. i think she was also in some kind
of organisation full of women who married prisoners/serial killers? not sure though.
Who here can say they didn't go to high school with people like this? Seems kinda like an excuse to post edgelord vanilla softcore gay porn, though, and somehow pony and furry art.
Every time I see one of these threads, all I can think of is;
"Are you sexually stimulated by x? There's a paraphilia for that".
Erotonophonophilia refers to the sexual attraction to murder, but I have yet to find a term for the sexual attraction to those who commit such an act. It is so common however I am quite surprised there has not been a term coined for it yet.
