Cultcow Russell Greer / Mr. Green / @ just_some_dude_named_russell29 / A Safer Nevada PAC - Swift-Obsessed Sex Pest, Convicted of E-Stalking, "Eggshell Skull Plaintiff" Pro Se Litigant, Homeless, aspiring brothel owner

[Rustled Jimmies]

He treats women like contentious business partners, doesn't seem like he's straight imo

Sounds like he would treat men the same, he views sex and relationships as transactions, a commodity
Nothing more.

 

[moocow]

Im not a great legal eagle like Russell so maybe someone can answer, is it even allowed to sue Josh for 5.3 million?

You can ask for anything you want. Statute, case law and the jury's and/or judge's mood are the only things that matter when it comes to deciding what you'll actually get, and that's assuming you win.

 

[DrJonesHat]

This may be late or dumb but I haven't seen it discussed:-
On page 25 of his lolsuit begins a section headed "REFUSING MEDICATION". He then rambles on about the orchards wrongly inferring he did not want "mental treatment" but never mentions medication.
I don't remember any discussion here at the time of his trial (and him throwing away his initial plea and abortively going for a jury trial) about him being medicated, especially by order of the court.
Yes, Erika wanted him to get some form of mental health intervention as I recall, and the end result was that he has to at least get himself assessed, (with the additional psycho-sexual evaluation in abeyance for now) but I assume that would involve a therapist first, not medication.

So where does medication come into it?
I know he's admitted to not liking taking his prescribed meds in the past. I kinda thought in this instance he was just butthurt about his mental fitness being called into question, though.

He asked for a jury trial specifically because Erika wanted the deal modified to include mandated mental health treatment. And yes, any treatment would first involve therapy, and then referral to a psychiatrist if it was felt medication was needed. I seriously doubt any meds will help him, as NPD isn't treatable with meds. He might benefit from anti-anxiety meds, as he does seem to suffer from acute anxiety (usually when things aren't going his way).

You can ask for anything you want. Statute, case law and the jury's and/or judge's mood are the only things that matter when it comes to deciding what you'll actually get, and that's assuming you win.

That's why Larry Klayman, a noted rightwing crackpot lawyer can sue China for 2 trillion dollars over cornavirus and not get immediately thrown in a psych unit. Good luck collecting from them though. Even if Russ wins, the jury/judge could decide that while his copyright was infringed, damages were around $3 or something like that. You can ask for millions, but first you have to prove you were harmed under the law, then you have to justify the amount you're asking for. I can sue Trump for 200 billion dollars for causing me stress, but first I have to prove I have a claim upon relief can be granted, then I have to prove he did 200 billion bucks' worth of harm to me. (Seriously I spotted the guy a $20 once, and he never paid me back).

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

It happens more often than you would think, which is why lawyers tell you to never talk to the cops if you might be charged with a crime.

And, not to go too far off greer, but that's not the best advice for everyone in every situation. Tucker Max does a good job of explaining why in an article that was deleted earlier this year (for some reason...).

Spoiler: example

I've seen situations where someone either talked their way into handcuffs ("fucking pigs you can't stop me from traveling!") but also situations where someone refused to say anything and ended up getting fucked over basically nothing. I remember seeing a case once- the guy kicked down a fence around a house and a couple of cops saw him do it. They went over and he refused to say anything except "talk to my lawyer" (it was 2AM). They arrested him for vandalism (alcohol was a factor I believe). Turns out it was his fence and he was pissed because his GF had cheated on him or something. So he obviously didn't get convicted but he ended up spending the night in the can and paying a private attorney to call the prosecutor and sort things out. I also remember justice warrior and Haaaarvard professor Henry Gates also could have just explained to the cops that it was his house and provided even a shred of evidence but decided not to and it somehow became a national 'moment' on race.

But for the Russell Greers of the world, the simpler solution "don't talk to the cops" is a lot easier to get across. Because some people are too dumb to know how dumb they are. And Russ isn't smart enough to outsmart a donut chasing school resource officer whose biggest case was a kid dropping a cherry bomb into a toilet.

 

[moocow]

pro se divorces are fun to read.

Any examples? I'm in the middle of a contested divorce myself (unlike the bruised potato, I hired a fucking lawyer), and I could use a good laugh to distract me and maybe give me some hope

 

[The Littlest Shitlord]

This may be late or dumb but I haven't seen it discussed:-
On page 25 of his lolsuit begins a section headed "REFUSING MEDICATION". He then rambles on about the orchards wrongly inferring he did not want "mental treatment" but never mentions medication.
I don't remember any discussion here at the time of his trial (and him throwing away his initial plea and abortively going for a jury trial) about him being medicated, especially by order of the court.
Yes, Erika wanted him to get some form of mental health intervention as I recall, and the end result was that he has to at least get himself assessed, (with the additional psycho-sexual evaluation in abeyance for now) but I assume that would involve a therapist first, not medication.

So where does medication come into it?
I know he's admitted to not liking taking his prescribed meds in the past. I kinda thought in this instance he was just butthurt about his mental fitness being called into question, though.

I like the way he put that section heading in the same style he put his actual torts in, so it looks like REFUSING MEDICATION is one of the things that he's suing Null over (presumably, over Null's refusal to take medication, or maybe Kiwi Farms' refusal to take medication).

 

[WhaleOilBeefHooked]

A lot of Russ's 'lust' seems almost a means to an end. He doesn't just go buy a hooker to get his rocks off- he makes a ridiculous production out of it, wears a suit, takes photos, and then brags all over social media and writes a book about as if he's a complete 'stud' for paying to get his dick wet. He pays for a "girlfriend experience" so he can do the same and feel like a big man by showing up at Olive Garden with a ho. He wants to fuck Taylor Swift but I think he wanted to fuck her fame more than anything else.

I'm not sure how to categorize Russ in terms of sexuality and I don't really want to try but the best word might be "transactional." If he has to give a guy a handjob in exchange for getting driven to get his own knob polished, well, maybe he just doesn't see anything untoward about that.

The GFE he gets with hookers, including how he brags about it, is rather interesting. He seems to have some sort of niceguy/Pretty Woman fantasy with hookers, one that starts with them going out and ends with him fucking her after he has wooed her thoroughly. He wants the women to want him. Although, as we've seen with his story about running out the clock with Kiera, where he acknowledges that she was disgusted by him yet he was still planning on fucking her, he seems to think that once he's done his side of the fantasy, the woman has to do her side. That's probably a lot of the reason why he gets so mad and sues these celebrities, because they aren't doing their end of the fantasy but he is doing his, and in his mind that's unfair.

Russell has posted in the past that he sees no difference between paying a hooker for the GFE/sex and a guy taking his girlfriend on a date, paying for it, and then having sex afterwards. That means he either thinks all relationships are just men paying women to fuck them or that every woman on earth can be bought, and prostitutes are just more honest.

I think Russell, more than anything, wants people to envy and look up to him. He thinks if he can bang a famous woman, that will happen. If he can get into the music industry, he thinks he'll be able to bang tons of women, and everyone will be jealous of him for once. Sex and fame are really his only desires, and both are means to the other's end.

 

[Dumpsterfire Enthusiast]

There's a whole science devoted to manipulating people in interrogation rooms into making incriminating admissions. That said, I don't think you'd have to be John Douglas to get Russell to spill his beans.

You could probably get him to confess just by pretending to agree with him and just letting him talk on his own

 

[The Un-Clit]

I think there's another reason he's so obsessed with prostitution. Russ absolutely strikes me as the type to get off on having power over hookers. He's a petty little tyrant, timid in real life and brave behind a keyboard. He's spiteful, vindictive, never forgets (imagined) slights and tries to use the law to punish anyone who "crosses him." He's a wannabe bully. The fact that he's paid for a woman, the idea that she might HAVE to do this to get by, the idea that he essentialy owns her for that period of time... that power trip probably gets his one inch wonder harder more than anything else.

Not so much. He's fully deluded by the 'Pretty Woman' syndrome, and feels he has to 'woo his hooker', because he's treating it like the girlfriend experience, something he's never actually had. He believes he can (and is supposed to) charm the hooker into falling in love with him. He never orders hookers around, infact quite the opposite. He'll attempt to romance them so much that a couple have fully taken advantage of that, eating lunch/dinner on Russes wallet and on his paid fucktime too, then walked away when 'times's up!'. He got so pissed at this he first demanded compensation from Dennis Hof, the Pimplord of Nevada and eventually got another woman to suck him his penis.

 

[DrJonesHat]

Not so much. He's fully deluded by the 'Pretty Woman' syndrome, and feels he has to 'woo his hooker', because he's treating it like the girlfriend experience, something he's never actually had. He believes he can (and is supposed to) charm the hooker into falling in love with him. He never orders hookers around, infact quite the opposite. He'll attempt to romance them so much that a couple have fully taken advantage of that, eating lunch/dinner on Russes wallet and on his paid fucktime too, then walked away when 'times's up!'. He got so pissed at this he first demanded compensation from Dennis Hof, the Pimplord of Nevada and eventually got another woman to suck him his penis.

He doesn't grasp that the "girlfriend experience" is when the hooker FAKES being your girlfriend. He thinks he's actually auditioning for the part of her boyfriend. I think my favorite hooker story of his was when he hired some local working girl and she ran up such a high tab at the restaurant he only had enough money for a lap dance. That was hilarious. And since she was local, and thus what he was doing was illegal, he couldn't whine to a higher authority about her stealing from him. I don't blame the poor woman at all. One look at him and I'd be frantically coming up with ways to avoid sleeping with him.

 

[Dumpsterfire Enthusiast]

Not so much. He's fully deluded by the 'Pretty Woman' syndrome, and feels he has to 'woo his hooker', because he's treating it like the girlfriend experience, something he's never actually had. He believes he can (and is supposed to) charm the hooker into falling in love with him. He never orders hookers around, infact quite the opposite. He'll attempt to romance them so much that a couple have fully taken advantage of that, eating lunch/dinner on Russes wallet and on his paid fucktime too, then walked away when 'times's up!'. He got so pissed at this he first demanded compensation from Dennis Hof, the Pimplord of Nevada and eventually got another woman to suck him his penis.

I dont think he would try openly ordering them around but i do think he likes the feeling of being in control and just goes about it in a more manipulative way with his woo/sue strategy. He loses his shit every time the timer runs out and they go off script

 

[Anja Din]

Any examples? I'm in the middle of a contested divorce myself (unlike the bruised potato, I hired a fucking lawyer), and I could use a good laugh to distract me and maybe give me some hope

I’m sorry to hear about your divorce. That‘s terrible. I hope it’s over soon.

Spoiler: boring offtopic

I was being sarcastic about fun, not a lot of feel good stories. Divorces are sad esp with custody problems and it sucks when someone can’t afford a lawyer, goes the pro se route, messes everything up and needs a lawyer to fix it anyway. If they’re too poor for a lawyer but not poor enough for legal aid, they’re gonna have to figure it out or try to find someone low cost/pro bono to help them fix it. Some legal nonprofits can’t take cases that don’t fall under certain grants or meet certain requirements, or just don’t have the manpower to (public interest isn’t a moneymaker vs. other focuses). I once met a lady who wasn’t a lawyer that charged all these really destitute people like $50/a pop to tell them to just go to fucking legal aid..which was free. she told people in this area that she was a lawyer and the people at legal aid were coworkers (nope). People wonder why misanthropes become that way-they’re just heartbroken idealists.

He doesn't grasp that the "girlfriend experience" is when the hooker FAKES being your girlfriend. He thinks he's actually auditioning for the part of her boyfriend. I think my favorite hooker story of his was when he hired some local working girl and she ran up such a high tab at the restaurant he only had enough money for a lap dance. That was hilarious. And since she was local, and thus what he was doing was illegal, he couldn't whine to a higher authority about her stealing from him. I don't blame the poor woman at all. One look at him and I'd be frantically coming up with ways to avoid sleeping with him.

Was that the Olive Garden hooker?

 

[DrJonesHat]

Was that the Olive Garden hooker?

Yeah that was her I think.

 

[Cranky Hermit]

Not so much. He's fully deluded by the 'Pretty Woman' syndrome, and feels he has to 'woo his hooker', because he's treating it like the girlfriend experience, something he's never actually had. He believes he can (and is supposed to) charm the hooker into falling in love with him. He never orders hookers around, infact quite the opposite. He'll attempt to romance them so much that a couple have fully taken advantage of that, eating lunch/dinner on Russes wallet and on his paid fucktime too, then walked away when 'times's up!'. He got so pissed at this he first demanded compensation from Dennis Hof, the Pimplord of Nevada and eventually got another woman to suck him his penis.

That's the mask he puts on. He WANTS the world to believe that he's an innocent, helpless dope when it suits him. Classic predator tactics. Josh pointed out in his stream with Rackets where the real Russ shines through. He's claiming millions in emotional damages but, in the end is too proud to actually admit what those damages were. He complained to the management, got another prostitute to service him (who I guarantee had a miserable night) and then still tried to make the original woman's life a living hell. In reality, he was furious that he didn't get what he wanted.

Sure, he didn't order the hooker around then but when she didn't play things out according to his script he threw a tantrum. By his own admission the prostitute was miserable and didn't want to be at the restaurant with him. He sued the Bunny Ranch, doxxed her and and dedicated an entire chapter to her in his book. It really goes back to how warped Greer's thinking is. He "payed" for this woman both financially and emotionally. In the end he didn't end up owning her. In his warped mind he got cheated.

 

[AnOminous]

That said, I don't think you'd have to be John Douglas to get Russell to spill his beans.

He'll jump at every opportunity to spill his beans, along with his spaghetti.

 

[Sir Dank-a-Lot]

He'll jump at every opportunity to spill his beans, along with his spaghetti.

I believe you mean “spill his seed”.

 

[Da Dude123]

I don't know how he manages all this on a part time janitor's salary, that and hooker money. I have to think he must be getting tardbux or his parents are giving him a stipend. I get he has little other expenses, but that along with his filing fees adds up.

He hired a guy in Malaysia on Fiver to draw the comic at the beginning of his Taylor Swift book
IIRC he also hired process servers on Fiver to serve his stupid lawsuits

He hired a Jesus impersonator on Fiverr to promote his music, I Don't Get You

He pays something like $500 to a production company to record his music. I don't recall the company's name, but he's used them a few times.

He had positive reviews on that page for people who had worked with him. Very kind reviews. Do you think he paid these people off to do them?

He uses Soundbetter for vocalists etc. and Fiverr for misc. musicians. The Soundbetter profile is the highly illegal way a Kiwi found out who Robby Johnson was.

 

[Anja Din]

He had positive reviews on that page for people who had worked with him. Very kind reviews. Do you think he paid these people off to do them?

Was he trying to fuck them? he can probably control himself in front of potential witnesses or people he’s not trying to nail.

 

[Grand Number of Pounds]

I don't know how he manages all this on a part time janitor's salary, that and hooker money. I have to think he must be getting tardbux or his parents are giving him a stipend. I get he has little other expenses, but that along with his filing fees adds up.

He lives very cheaply, aside from the hooker budget and getting his music professionally produced.
We've speculated before he gets money from his parents.

 

[theshep]

He had positive reviews on that page for people who had worked with him. Very kind reviews. Do you think he paid these people off to do them?

I think it's a case of don't bite the hand that feeds you. He has paid them for a service, It's not like they're not going to come out and say 'the guy is a lunatic with no talent for music'.