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Fictional Character said:
A bit off-topic, but I read a fascinating book about religion in American South after the Civil War until roughly the 1930s and it gives a pretty good argument that poor blacks and poor whites were more similar to each other than to the middle class and how the religion of poor white people was influenced by African native faiths that are still extant in the regions of West Africa that were a huge source of slaves. It focuses mainly on the African influences on popular Christianity
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Sounds hilariously retarded.
 
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Only on a technicallity, being that he's never had sex.


Fictional Character said:
A bit off-topic, but I read a fascinating book about religion in American South after the Civil War until roughly the 1930s and it gives a pretty good argument that poor blacks and poor whites were more similar to each other than to the middle class and how the religion of poor white people was influenced by African native faiths that are still extant in the regions of West Africa that were a huge source of slaves. It focuses mainly on the African influences on popular Christianity, but it incidentally gives a pretty good argument that class is a much larger divider than race.

Hard, Hard Religion: Interracial Faith in the Poor South by John Hayes. Looks like it's reasonably priced on Kindle, though I had a library copy.
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Nate Tucker, who believed he was on a mission from god to kill all the white people he could so as to start a race war so that blacks could be liberated, upon encountering poor white sharecroppers, ordered they be left alone as "they didn't seem to be any better off then Negroes".
 
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I'm glad Ashli posted that. Had anyone else posted that she is still living in a shelter, they would have been banned.
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A *year* in a DV shelter?

There is 100% something going on here. A length of stay that long at a shelter is *extremely* rare, if not completely unheard of. Almost all shelters are short stay places. If there was a divorce settlement or one pending she could also borrow against that, especially with spousal support/child support.

We're not getting the whole story.
 
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Learned Hand said:
A *year* in a DV shelter?

There is 100% something going on here. A length of stay that long at a shelter is *extremely* rare, if not completely unheard of. Almost all shelters are short stay places. If there was a divorce settlement or one pending she could also borrow against that, especially with spousal support/child support.

We're not getting the whole story.
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It's discussed further in the divorce thread. There's a lot of suspicion that it has to do with the fact that her immigration status is fucked inside out. This is corroborated by the fact that the police reports show Ashli having no driver's license nor social security number, and Richard talking about just deporting Ashli to Canada if she ever acted out too badly.

From what I can tell, Richard wanted it this way because in his mind, if his wife was an illegal immigrant it meant that if he ever decided he didn't want her then she was out with the trash and he got to keep their kids. Things have not gone as Rich may have planned.
 
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DisobedientLupus said:
Talk about wishful thinking. The average black IQ is 85 and hasn't increased over the past century even with improved education. The black is incapable of living in a modern society.
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Not quite. My recollection is it closed a bit, but the convergence stopped in the 1970s, and the best evidence is the remainder is largely genetic.
 
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I was in the ArcheAge goon guild and they were a bunch of hairline triggered soft little faggots from Day 1 even six years ago. They were Resetera bad as far as "Don't you dare say anything offensive"
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Which one? There were like four or five.

I was in one of them too and I don't remember anyone being nearly so pussified back then.
 
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Not quite. My recollection is it closed a bit, but the convergence stopped in the 1970s, and the best evidence is the remainder is largely genetic.
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A small genetic component but the larger factor is attributed to (lack of) early childhood nutrition in predominently urban black communities.

American slavery was about warehousing labor for Cotton Harvest (and cotton planting, to a lesser degree), and doing so at the cheapest per-unit cost. This is why "Soul Food" uses so much cast off meat cuts and other things of generally decent caloric quantity but poor nutrition. Basically blacks tend to grow up with a limited, mainly processed, diet that leaves children malnourished on key trace nutrients. Early child hood nutrition is not something you can really get back, so even if you improve your lot in life, you will always be a little smooth-brained than peers. White, even poor whites, tend to prioritize their kids and making sure their kids have whatever the doctors are saying kids need this week. The extended family structures are usually different (or I should say are currently and traditionally different) where there are grandparents instead of just a network of loosely affliated cousins and aunts, sometimes with grandma in there somewhere - in so much as the grandparents will ensure the kids are fed well on at least a semi-regular basis. Rural poor whites also have "hunting" available, something innercity blacks lack access to.
The convergence died down in the 70s as social service policies heavily disincentivized marriage and favored single motherhood, destroying what had been incredible process by blacks towards normalizing to white statistics (when corrected for socioeconomic factors)

Humans are very flexible and adaptable. While there are definite predilections, most anything 'genetic' can usually be accounted or corrected for at a social/cultural level and not a genetic one. (For example, men with Double Y have extra testosterone, and are over represented in the prison population because it tends to make them violent. But not everyone with Double Y ends up in prison. Just more than average.)


Sorry. I meant to post "Hang all niggers, gas the kikes" but typoed.
 
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Ghostse said:
A small genetic component but the larger factor is attributed to (lack of) early childhood nutrition in predominently urban black communities.

American slavery was about warehousing labor for Cotton Harvest (and cotton planting, to a lesser degree), and doing so at the cheapest per-unit cost. This is why "Soul Food" uses so much cast off meat cuts and other things of generally decent caloric quantity but poor nutrition. Basically blacks tend to grow up with a limited, mainly processed, diet that leaves children malnourished on key trace nutrients. Early child hood nutrition is not something you can really get back, so even if you improve your lot in life, you will always be a little smooth-brained than peers. White, even poor whites, tend to prioritize their kids and making sure their kids have whatever the doctors are saying kids need this week. The extended family structures are usually different (or I should say are currently and traditionally different) where there are grandparents instead of just a network of loosely affliated cousins and aunts, sometimes with grandma in there somewhere - in so much as the grandparents will ensure the kids are fed well on at least a semi-regular basis. Rural poor whites also have "hunting" available, something innercity blacks lack access to.
The convergence died down in the 70s as social service policies heavily disincentivized marriage and favored single motherhood, destroying what had been incredible process by blacks towards normalizing to white statistics (when corrected for socioeconomic factors)

Humans are very flexible and adaptable. While there are definite predilections, most anything 'genetic' can usually be accounted or corrected for at a social/cultural level and not a genetic one. (For example, men with Double Y have extra testosterone, and are over represented in the prison population because it tends to make them violent. But not everyone with Double Y ends up in prison. Just more than average.)


Sorry. I meant to post "Hang all niggers, gas the kikes" but typoed.
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This doesn't line up with anything I've read (or at least anything I've read that doesn't have huge and obvious holes in it) - environmental explanations are overblown and can only ever explain a small part of the variance at best. I'm spared having to go search Google Scholar by Sean Last having recently written a blog post going over common arguments: https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/...al-causes-of-the-american-black-white-iq-gap/

Also this isn't really a direct response to what you've said and I know I'm being a bit glib, but whites in the poorest households do about as well as blacks in the richest:
 

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Silas said:
Literally. The. One. Discussed. Above.
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I understand fat must be clogging your synaptic processes in between insurance scams, but all I was saying is there was more than one AA goon guild that had an offsite infrastructure and vetted members. There was at least three, maybe four.
 
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White Devil said:
I understand fat must be clogging your synaptic processes in between insurance scams, but all I was saying is there was more than one AA goon guild that had an offsite infrastructure and vetted members. There was at least three, maybe four.
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And all the stuff that happened in the story above happened within one of them. Which I was in. Which is what I said, the one being discussed above. I don't have autism so I can't remember the name of the guild six years later.
 
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