Fallout series

[Imperial Citizen]

I get where the NCR come from, but they ultimately try to bring back a system that has already failed.

Wait, what failed system? The NCR is bringing back representative democracy. If you are thinking about Fallout's America, I flat out deny that it is a republic. I'm convinced that it is a fascist state. The government doesn't represent the people and pretty much views them as test subjects, nationalizes corporations to pursue military ventures, and put the United States into extreme executive control.

The NCR is bringing back what America ought to be. Yeah it's imperfect, but fuck it, that is what a democracy is.

 

[Billy "the Bot" Bobson]

Wait, what failed system? The NCR is bringing back representative democracy. If you are thinking about Fallout's America, I flat out deny that it is a republic. I'm convinced that it is a fascist state. The government doesn't represent the people and pretty much views them as test subjects, nationalizes corporations to pursue military ventures, and put the United States into extreme executive control.

The NCR is bringing back what America ought to be. Yeah it's imperfect, but fuck it, that is what a democracy is.

The NCR is the repeat of the same mistake from the beginning, but even worse. They attempted to make it democratic, but it's just as nepotistic as it was before. It's mentioned before that Tandi had a life-time appointment, "winning" the seat after her father. After Tandi died in office after 52 years (10 1/2 terms), her VP went on to be president, but was ousted halfway through by the Congress who installed a corrupt candidate in her place. This guy also got ousted and replaced by Kimball, who continues to fuck things up. It's not imperfect, it's fucking broken and retarded from the outset.

 

[Snekposter]

So, par for the course for your average democracy then. Unless anyone thinks someone like Merkel wouldn't leave feet-first if she could convince voters she deserves 52 years in power.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

The NCR is the repeat of the same mistake from the beginning, but even worse. They attempted to make it democratic, but it's just as nepotistic as it was before. It's mentioned before that Tandi had a life-time appointment, "winning" the seat after her father. After Tandi died in office after 52 years (10 1/2 terms), her VP went on to be president, but was ousted halfway through by the Congress who installed a corrupt candidate in her place. This guy also got ousted and replaced by Kimball, who continues to fuck things up. It's not imperfect, it's fucking broken and retarded from the outset.

And yet the NCR prospers. Nobody is fleeing the country in droves, people feel safe under the flag of the two headed. If a republic can last over a century after the apocalypse, corruption from Brahmin barons is well worth it.

Although the NCR is going to need some land reform in a decade or two. Otherwise they are going to end up like 20th century Latin America.

 

[Fougaro]

Why would you? Being a paid mercenary has nothing on being the ruler of an independent New Vegas.

Unless Yes Man goes Skynet I see the appeal in it indeed.

The government doesn't represent the people and pretty much views them as test subjects, nationalizes corporations to pursue (...) ventures, and put the United States into extreme executive control.

The NCR is bringing back what America ought to be. Yeah it's imperfect, but fuck it, that is what a democracy is.

Just like real life...

Unless the NCR is trying to bring back the America of the Founding Fathers instead of the abomination it was pre-war, it is doomed to repeat the same mistakes over again rather sooner than later. Realistically speaking, trying to bring back the old American system in such a post-apocalyptic scenario is akin to trying to bring back the Third Reich or the USSR.

 

[Exceptionally Exceptional]

Playing NV has oddly made me nostalgic for playing 3, but it's such a downgrade without a meaningful crafting system and iron sights. Did they ever get Tale of Two Wastelands stable enough to not break like a piece of fine china shot out of a railgun into a mountain with any mod installed?

 

[Billy "the Bot" Bobson]

And yet the NCR prospers. Nobody is fleeing the country in droves, people feel safe under the flag of the two headed. If a republic can last over a century after the apocalypse, corruption from Brahmin barons is well worth it.

Although the NCR is going to need some land reform in a decade or two. Otherwise they are going to end up like 20th century Latin America.

It's not that they'd be fleeing, but that it'd be collapsing from within. The strain is showing, and the bureaucracy is already expanding wildly. No one is really fleeing the Legion either.

Then again, House is the best option.

 

[Chin of Campbell]

Playing NV has oddly made me nostalgic for playing 3, but it's such a downgrade without a meaningful crafting system and iron sights.

And the writing, whoof. I was watching an old playthrough recently and man I forgot how bad the fucking writing is in 3. It's like it's written by a goddamn teenager.

 

[Burned Man]

Unless Yes Man goes Skynet I see the appeal in it indeed.

Just like real life...

Unless the NCR is trying to bring back the America of the Founding Fathers instead of the abomination it was pre-war, it is doomed to repeat the same mistakes over again rather sooner than later. Realistically speaking, trying to bring back the old American system in such a post-apocalyptic scenario is akin to trying to bring back the Third Reich or the USSR.

Nah I'm sure it will all be fine this time because those damn commies won't be around to ruin it.

More seriously I think the NCR is too young to completely write it off and it could correct its course in time with the proper leadership. The only problem is how that leadership could come about. You look at the 4 big NCR players in NV General Oliver, Colonel Moore, Colonel Hsu and Ambassador Crocker and you see how divided the NCR is. When they finally get Vegas Oliver and Moore for their warmongering get all the glory while the thoughtful Hsu and Crocker either are too humble to accept their praise or their work isn't as glamourous. You can tell with a NCR victory Kimball will be getting a much greater political following and the Oliver's and Moore will follow suit bring the NCR further down. Ultimately I think the best path for a redeemed NCR comes from no gods no masters. Oliver and Kimball are humiliated and ousted from power and since its not a Legion or House victory there is no real enemy they can blame their defeat on and swear vengeance on so they are forced to do some self reflecting on why they lost.

My problem with House is how he doesn't accept any deviation from his plans and is very quick to enact petty or serious vengeance on people that don't fall into line with plans they never knew existed. I also get the feeling that if something were to go wrong with his life support system he has no plans on how to keep his Vegas alive after he is dead.

 

[HumanHive]

The idea that corruption and institutional rot are unique to democracies is smoothbrain, but so typical of a technocrat like House and a historical determinist like Caesar. If you want to see what the fate of autocracies, look at Benny and Lanius. Would be usurpers and uninterested/unworthy successors. History never ends the moment one side has a decisive advantage. The Platinum Chip was not a panacea for the problems with robotic armies, nor would taking Vegas given Caesar his Rome. The NCR is the best choice because while they are corrupt imperialists, they at least function on the most basic levels during peacetime. NCR could cut off Vegas with an embargo out of spite, and the Legion is a time bomb. Independent route is sorta a viable second option, but it really depends who the Courier is like.

 

[Dom Cruise]

But ultimately there is no "perfect" ending. Life isnt as simple as that and NV is aware of it. You did your part and now its consequences are yet to be seen.

You're right, but because we're not likely to get another game as good as NV I like to think of it as the "end" of the series and whatever faction you choose ultimately goes on to take over the whole united states.

Fallout isn't a really a series that could have a "definitive" ending, but I feel like that's close enough.

I love how nearly ten years later (8 more days!) people are still debating over the different factions in New Vegas.

What a great game.

It completely blows my mind to think it's almost been a decade already.

 

[Chin of Campbell]

Reading this thread is giving me a pretty big NV boner, I think it's time for another playthrough. Gonna minimize my modcount for maximum stability, but what are some necessities? It's been a while. Project Nevada I remember being one that adds a bunch of QoL that pretty much got added 1 to 1 to FO4.

 

[LateNightMuffin]

I played Fallout3 years and years ago, and you've all convinced me to buy NV.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Reading this thread is giving me a pretty big NV boner, I think it's time for another playthrough. Gonna minimize my modcount for maximum stability, but what are some necessities? It's been a while. Project Nevada I remember being one that adds a bunch of QoL that pretty much got added 1 to 1 to FO4.

What are the best mods to spruce up the graphics because if there's one issue the graphics for F3 and NV have aged really fucking badly.

 

[Billy "the Bot" Bobson]

Reading this thread is giving me a pretty big NV boner, I think it's time for another playthrough. Gonna minimize my modcount for maximum stability, but what are some necessities? It's been a while. Project Nevada I remember being one that adds a bunch of QoL that pretty much got added 1 to 1 to FO4.

I'm firmly against PNV personally, but to each his own. Not counting the essential Script Extender, NVAC, and Patchs, for a light run I usually just run MoBurmas Uncut series and JSawyer Ultimate Edition. Smaller stuff that I always like to have is Light Up and Smoke and Enchanced Camera. FCO, Fellout, and NMC are totally optional, but help it look nicer. A lot of people like Someguys stuff, can't stand it personally. Autumn Leaves was okay, but it's been a long time since I've played it. Same for Beyond Boulder.

EDIT : NMC has texture fixes IIRC, YUP, NVAC, NVSE, UPNVSE, and Anti-Stutter are absolutely neccessary. Double check some of MoBurmas stuff if you want stability, I think he did Open Freeside and Open Vegas, and while I love it to death, they will fuck shit up and crash regularly. I'm used to it, half of it's because my rinky-dink computer, but I wouldn't reccomend it unless you understand what you're going into. Just make sure you double check compatibility, and install any neccessary compatibility patches. I used FOMM forever ago, whatever works

EDIT 2 (the last one I swear) : I love this community : https://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/70128 I had to double check my info and saw that a group just released this little playground.

 

[Snekposter]

Project Nevada uses not just a ton of scripts, but old, outdated ones that run poorly. JSawyer Ultimate is a good one, and was recommended above. I have way too many mods to list off the top of my head, but New Vegas Heap Replacer is the newest, and hopefully most optimized attempt at fixing heap issues, and the "Just..." series of mods are pretty damn helpful QoL mods. Oh, Yukichigai Unofficial Patch and Unofficial Patch Plus are also recommended.

 

[The handsome tard]

You're right, but because we're not likely to get another game as good as NV I like to think of it as the "end" of the series and whatever faction you choose ultimately goes on to take over the whole united states.

Thats kind of a stretch, the mojave is hardly the entire US. There are several zones that are still lawless as ever and/or we are still yet to see the current status of. Besides, House doesnt want to expand his reach, merely his own power and that others learn to fear it. Legion will fall apart even if they win. Indepedent also doesnt mean much for the US as a whole except the Vegas area being its own state. The NCR is the only that has the prospect of expanding their territory beyond the mojave in the future.

One might wonder what will happen once the East and West "universes" clash

 

[Dom Cruise]

Thats kind of a stretch, the mojave is hardly the entire US. There are several zones that are still lawless as ever and/or we are still yet to see the current status of. Besides, House doesnt want to expand his reach, merely his own power and that others learn to fear it. Legion will fall apart even if they win. Indepedent also doesnt mean much for the US as a whole except the Vegas area being its own state. The NCR is the only that has the prospect of expanding their territory beyond the mojave in the future.

One might wonder what will happen once the East and West "universes" clash

I know it's a bit of a stretch, but I meant ultimately in like the next 100 years or even more, just that Hoover dam winds up being enough of a linchpin for whatever group to progressively take over the whole of the former US.

 

[Fougaro]

Reading this thread is giving me a pretty big NV boner, I think it's time for another playthrough.

It goes to the credit of the writers that people are sperging about the viability of the various factions (people here are pro-NCR while I staunchly side with Mr. House and see the merits in the Legion). The world building is an interesting thought experiment on what systems you can come up with once the United States implodes.

Which can't be said for the writing of Fallout 4. "Institute Man bad! Railroad good! Mmmm, grayons!"

 

[Snekposter]

Thats kind of a stretch, the mojave is hardly the entire US. There are several zones that are still lawless as ever and/or we are still yet to see the current status of. Besides, House doesnt want to expand his reach, merely his own power and that others learn to fear it. Legion will fall apart even if they win. Indepedent also doesnt mean much for the US as a whole except the Vegas area being its own state. The NCR is the only that has the prospect of expanding their territory beyond the mojave in the future.

One might wonder what will happen once the East and West "universes" clash

You're acting like Caesar would just have his legions march around doing nothing but garrison and patrol duty (which is most likely inevitable since I doubt the average NCR citizen will just submit to the Legion), but even if he could take over NCR territory with no long-lasting partisan bands to put down, the Legion was built on bloodlust and conquest, and nobody embodies that more than his number 2, Lanius. Caesar is far too optimistic when he thinks it will just settle down as his praetorians and enforce his will and not start shit with people out of boredom.

And as far as the Legion's merits, I do see them. Trouble is they're merits in the hellhole known as Arizona, and demerits in a more civilized place like the Mojave. Yes, I'm aware the Mojave is hardly civilized, but compared to pre-Legion Arizona it might as well be paradise.