Hazbin Hotel / Helluva Boss Thread - Now a Griefing Thread

Do you believe that this series will turn to shit?


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It could be that especially considering the type of people who currently have power in the animation industry unfortunately you have to please or else they will roadblock you.
There is a lot of truth to this. For an industry that prides itself on diversity, you start to notice a lot of them have the same opinions, same sense of humor, even similar art styles. And they are not welcoming of outsiders.

On the flip side, because this happened so soon, this means less controversy as the show continues on, skipping the honeymoon phase altogether.
 
bitch please if people like Ayn rand and books like Twilight garnering a fanbase didn't tell you that any-fucking-thing can have fans, nothing will. It also means you've run out of excuses to complain and be lazy like @Private Pyle said. Make your project happen or piss off.
Except success in this sphere is luck-based to the arse. As I already said, major factor in Vivzie's fame is how colorful and crazy her works are. Most of her fanbase, being children, manchildren and wackos, are attracted to these things like bugs to Christmas lights.

You can come up with something really cool, creative and amazing, sure, but there is never a guarantee that you will be successful, no matter what. Then you can make something shitty and uninspired, which may earn you a success, but it will still be something shitty and uninspired, just like Twilight.

Vivzie has the makings of greatness in her; She just has to make that first step.
How much do I want to believe in that. Sadly, such expectations end up in the grave quick, tested by time. Those who bath in fame only get progressively worse.

Just give it time, they'll turn on her viciously. Actually they already more or less have which makes her trying to cozy up to these idiots all the more foolish.
Not only them. If she will continue with that wokeness and ignorant attitude, eventually it's gonna earn her a seat with the likes of Rowling and Hartman.

Like, why bother trying to appeal to this group when they are one hundred percent against any form of creativity in favor of 'BIPOC Teenage Lesbian Mary Sues Have Magic Powers And No Personalities Part 479'?
Because she is a part of that group, simple.

My theory is that she's afraid one of them will try to ruin her show and garner some retards to bandwagon it.
It could be that especially considering the type of people who currently have power in the animation industry unfortunately you have to please or else they will roadblock you.
Assuming that it's true, nobody is pointing a gun to her head, dictating what opinions exactly she should express and support. I have seen some woke people in my life who were pretty tolerable, if not turned out to actually still be decent enough. Can't say that Viv is an example of this.

Eh, at least she is not telling anyone to go kill themselves, unlike Jello. I will give her that.

The Alastor comic is out. It's pretty good IMO, gives more insight into his character.
That was a good read. Wish it was a bit longer.
 
Except success in this sphere is luck-based to the arse. As I already said, major factor in Vivzie's fame is how colorful and crazy her works are. Most of her fanbase, being children, manchildren and wackos, are attracted to these things like bugs to Christmas lights.

You can come up with something really cool, creative and amazing, sure, but there is never a guarantee that you will be successful, no matter what. Then you can make something shitty and uninspired, which may earn you a success, but it will still be something shitty and uninspired, just like Twilight.


How much do I want to believe in that. Sadly, such expectations end up in the grave quick, tested by time. Those who bath in fame only get progressively worse.


Not only them. If she will continue with that wokeness and ignorant attitude, eventually it's gonna earn her a seat with the likes of Rowling and Hartman.


Because she is a part of that group, simple.



Assuming that it's true, nobody is pointing a gun to her head, dictating what opinions exactly she should express and support. I have seen some woke people in my life who were pretty tolerable, if not turned out to actually still be decent enough. Can't say that Viv is an example of this.

Eh, at least she is not telling anyone to go kill themselves, unlike Jello. I will give her that.


That was a good read. Wish it was a bit longer.
To play devil’s advocate (heh, get it?), it isn’t just the bright colors and artstyle; ever since Addict dropped, people are abuzz with the possibilities of where the show could go in terms of themes and plots as an adult cartoon. It scratches a niche that people have been clamoring for a while now when it comes to animation for mature audiences. And while there was definitely a little luck involved in her success, she still needed to work to put herself out there to begin with.

On the other hand, I concede that she seems to be cut from the same cloth as the rest of the industry and needs to curb her attitude a bit. Unlike Hartman or Rowling, she made her debut with controversy rather than blow away years of fandom love and even then she could still screw up if she’s not careful.

My two cents aside, I do have some news to report. The first, non pilot episode of Helluva Boss is dropping on Halloween and said episode is appropriately Halloween themed:
 
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For context here, Charlastor got spammed a lot on Twitter to Viv during her birthday and she had to mute it as it has gotten really bad, and of course some braindead rabid shippers and other weirdos have decided to come out of the woodwork and make absolute fools of themselves. This is an absolute saltmine and I think I spent at least 15 minutes laughing my ass off.

Late Edit: Now people are getting angry at Viv for such a milquetoast tweet, GadaffyTheLooneyDuck is completely right about these buttmad shippers and other than flawed wording she honestly has almost every right to be mildy upset by that. The organizer of Charlastor Day also apologized to her and both of them ended the discussion amicably so yeah. I know its late but I just realized I could edit all my comments on the Farms after I got these new posting privileges every since I worked 6 months of loyal service to the Farms.
 
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For context here, Charlastor got spammed a lot on Twitter to Viv during her birthday and she had to mute it as it has gotten really bad, and of course some braindead rabid shippers and other weirdos have decided to come out of the woodwork and make absolute fools of themselves. This is an absolute saltmine and I think I spent at least 15 minutes laughing my ass off.
I can actually provide some more context here.

Charlastor shippers had set up an event for the 28th called "Charlastor Day" where a bunch of them decided to draw stuff just as a fun group activity. This happened to overlap with both Hazbin's first anniversary and Viv's birthday, which resulted in Viv's butthurt tweet. The following ensued.

Keep in mind that Viv got rejected by Disney years ago because of her lack of professionalism and inability to handle constructive criticism. Her REEEEing over some harmless ship art "overshadowing" her birthday isn't exactly the best look for someone whose project just got picked up. :story:
 
I can actually provide some more context here.

Charlastor shippers had set up an event for the 28th called "Charlastor Day" where a bunch of them decided to draw stuff just as a fun group activity. This happened to overlap with both Hazbin's first anniversary and Viv's birthday, which resulted in Viv's butthurt tweet. The following ensued.

Keep in mind that Viv got rejected by Disney years ago because of her lack of professionalism and inability to handle constructive criticism. Her REEEEing over some harmless ship art "overshadowing" her birthday isn't exactly the best look for someone whose project just got picked up. :story:
Even more context almost no one involved in Charlastor Day realized the 28th was Vivziepop's birthday until much later in the day. Somehow the day celebrating her characters was overshadowing the day celebrating her characters.
 
Even more context almost no one involved in Charlastor Day realized the 28th was Vivziepop's birthday until much later in the day. Somehow the day celebrating her characters was overshadowing the day celebrating her characters.
Adding to this is the fact that instead of just muting the tag and being done with it, Viv felt the need to tweet her saltiness. This wouldn't have happened if she'd just kept her mouth shut. A few artists have already gotten discouraged and decided to quit drawing.
 
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Adding to this is that fact that instead of just muting the tag and being done with it, Viv felt the need to tweet her saltiness. This wouldn't have happened if she'd just kept her mouth shut. A few artists have already gotten discouraged and decided to quit drawing.
I've just never seen a creator, who is tying to launch their show to actual networks, cry over not getting enough attention on their Birthday. Peak comedy.
 
I've just never seen a creator, who is tying to launch their show to actual networks, cry over not getting enough attention on their Birthday. Peak comedy.
I do feel bad for all the Charlastor artists who got sucker-punched but Viv's entitlement is pretty damn hilarious. "No, you can't possibly celebrate multiple things at once! Pay attention to ME!" That and her blatantly condescending attitude to those who apologized to her.
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I do feel bad for all the Charlastor artists who got sucker-punched but Viv's entitlement is pretty damn hilarious. "No, you can't possibly celebrate multiple things at once! Pay attention to ME!" That and her blatantly condescending attitude to those who apologized to her.
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Viv tries to play the fence, but it's impossible for her to remain professional. It's why I personally think she couldn't snag a better company than A24. Getting your show off the ground means giving up a lot of creative rights. Vivziepop thinks every character she squirts out is a masterpiece and her baby so that will never happen.

Plus, she's playing a dangerous game by being cozy with hyper woke crowds. They'll enjoy Hazbin until it inevitably trips up with some of its edginess and they'll eat her from the inside. A voice actor who she's good friends with was already accused of sexual assault.
 
A voice actor who she's good friends with was already accused of sexual assault.
I assume you're referring to Brock Baker, who originally voiced Stolas in Helluva Boss. He most likely stepped down from the role because of the accusations. Viv is definitely on thin ice and her little hissyfit from yesterday sure as hell won't be doing her any favors.
 
I can actually provide some more context here.

Charlastor shippers had set up an event for the 28th called "Charlastor Day" where a bunch of them decided to draw stuff just as a fun group activity. This happened to overlap with both Hazbin's first anniversary and Viv's birthday, which resulted in Viv's butthurt tweet. The following ensued.

Keep in mind that Viv got rejected by Disney years ago because of her lack of professionalism and inability to handle constructive criticism. Her REEEEing over some harmless ship art "overshadowing" her birthday isn't exactly the best look for someone whose project just got picked up. :story:
I never knew she tried working for Disney. That makes her indie work look all the more pathetic.
Viv tries to play the fence, but it's impossible for her to remain professional. It's why I personally think she couldn't snag a better company than A24. Getting your show off the ground means giving up a lot of creative rights. Vivziepop thinks every character she squirts out is a masterpiece and her baby so that will never happen.

Plus, she's playing a dangerous game by being cozy with hyper woke crowds. They'll enjoy Hazbin until it inevitably trips up with some of its edginess and they'll eat her from the inside. A voice actor who she's good friends with was already accused of sexual assault.
I assume you're referring to Brock Baker, who originally voiced Stolas in Helluva Boss. He most likely stepped down from the role because of the accusations. Viv is definitely on thin ice and her little hissyfit from yesterday sure as hell won't be doing her any favors.
With any luck, A24 will drop her ass and the whole thing will come crashing down. Getting kind of sick and tired of western animation.
 
Plus, she's playing a dangerous game by being cozy with hyper woke crowds. They'll enjoy Hazbin until it inevitably trips up with some of its edginess and they'll eat her from the inside. A voice actor who she's good friends with was already accused of sexual assault.
I'm not even sure why she's trying to hard to cater to them, she's one of the hyper wokes herself yeah but it's clear they fucking hate this show with a burning passion. The pilots were already too edgy for them, why keep trying to appease them with "muhuhuhuh sexuality everyone is valid fuk climate change" or whatever the fuck she rambles about on Twitter I'm not touching that shit within a 10 foot mile radius.
She's this odd mix of narcissistic (MY BIRTHDAY REEE) and people-pleaser. I really want to see this show take off but if she keeps sperging out like a 16 year old on the internet then it's a sign of what bad things may come...
 
I'm not even sure why she's trying to hard to cater to them, she's one of the hyper wokes herself yeah but it's clear they fucking hate this show with a burning passion. The pilots were already too edgy for them, why keep trying to appease them with "muhuhuhuh sexuality everyone is valid fuk climate change" or whatever the fuck she rambles about on Twitter I'm not touching that shit within a 10 foot mile radius.
She's this odd mix of narcissistic (MY BIRTHDAY REEE) and people-pleaser. I really want to see this show take off but if she keeps sperging out like a 16 year old on the internet then it's a sign of what bad things may come...
I personally have no hope for the series. The people on animation are not the types to be running a show. I’m sure by next year we’ll be getting news of A24 parting ways with Viv and no one will be surprised.
 
I'm not even sure why she's trying to hard to cater to them, she's one of the hyper wokes herself yeah but it's clear they fucking hate this show with a burning passion. The pilots were already too edgy for them, why keep trying to appease them with "muhuhuhuh sexuality everyone is valid fuk climate change" or whatever the fuck she rambles about on Twitter I'm not touching that shit within a 10 foot mile radius.
She's this odd mix of narcissistic (MY BIRTHDAY REEE) and people-pleaser. I really want to see this show take off but if she keeps sperging out like a 16 year old on the internet then it's a sign of what bad things may come...
She wants her "funny over the top dark edgy hell show" but also wants "respect my pronouns, my gender and sexuality in Hell". The women can't handle shippers, there's no way she can keep juggling that hypocritical mess.

That's not even accounting the wave of people accusing her of being disrespectful of religion that will come if Hazbin goes mainstream.
 
She wants her "funny over the top dark edgy hell show" but also wants "respect my pronouns, my gender and sexuality in Hell". The women can't handle shippers, there's no way she can keep juggling that hypocritical mess.

That's not even accounting the wave of people accusing her of being disrespectful of religion that will come if Hazbin goes mainstream.
She already pissed of the Voduns as is.
 
I actually can somewhat understand Viv in this birthday situation. Remember that a really high number of shippers are obnoxious re-tarded muppets and leeches. Charlastor shippers are one of the most fucknut parts of the Hazbin fandom, with some outright preaching and nagging for that ship to be a thing (yeah and fuck that Charlie already has a girlfriend and that Alastor is a deranged psychopath). Plus something tells me that it's not a coincidence that their Charlastor Day happened at the same day as her birthday and anniversary.

Not defending her ignorant ego-boasting or saying that all shippers are bad (no matter how stupid the ship itself may be), but if I wanted to enjoy celebrating my birthday and the anniversay of the show I worked hard on, then saw a sudden wave of shipping art raining on me at suspiciously same time, I would have been bitter too at best, since of course it would seem like some parasites want to hijack attention to their sacred dumb fucking ship.

Though in a way it is broad's own fault for occasionally blowing that bubble. If you feed the geese, don't come crying when you get your hand bitten off along with the elbow.

To play devil’s advocate (heh, get it?), it isn’t just the bright colors and artstyle; ever since Addict dropped, people are abuzz with the possibilities of where the show could go in terms of themes and plots as an adult cartoon. It scratches a niche that people have been clamoring for a while now when it comes to animation for mature audiences. And while there was definitely a little luck involved in her success, she still needed to work to put herself out there to begin with.

On the other hand, I concede that she seems to be cut from the same cloth as the rest of the industry and needs to curb her attitude a bit. Unlike Hartman or Rowling, she made her debut with controversy rather than blow away years of fandom love and even then she could still screw up if she’s not careful.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree that Hazbin and Helluva have some good prospects, and that amount of hard work Vivzie put in her projects deserves respect, despite all the visible flaws. It sure is something, all right. I used Rowling and Hartman as an examples of content creators who are known for making something famous and eventually falling from their grace by being utter shites in one way or another.

What I was trying to say is that in general, success is still a pretty luck-based thing, because of certain factors.
 
I swear she said previously that people could ship whichever characters they want, so she's literally just reeing that they shipped shit on her birthday, and that somehow a day celebrating her OCs still isn't paying enough attention to her.

Anyone got the full story of what happened when she tried to work for Disney?
 
I swear she said previously that people could ship whichever characters they want, so she's literally just reeing that they shipped shit on her birthday, and that somehow a day celebrating her OCs still isn't paying enough attention to her.

Anyone got the full story of what happened when she tried to work for Disney?
She did say that any shipping was fine, but somehow it's "disrespectful" on her Birthday? She immediately retweeted a "chaggie" piece right after her little tirade so....
 
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