2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Pointless Pedant said:
If they actually did all that stuff a Bolsonaro-ish backlash seems likely. Years of socialist rule in Brazil led to a right wing resurgence after their government collapsed and Rousseff was impeached. 4-12 years is one thing but forever is a long time.

Brazilian socialists had 14 years from Lula's first election to the Rousseff impeachment. Bolsonaro was elected 2 years later.
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Even the Soviet Union as constituted, as powerful and repressive as it was, only lasted one human lifetime.
 
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EmuWarsVeteran said:
Ah, yes. Latinos are the cause of most dictatorships in LATIN AMERICA. Very astute.

You know, I think he meant that most dictators and military juntas were hispanic (which if you only count military dictators, as in not commies or feudalism or what the romans called "dictators" during their republic, well he'd be right) but the way he worded it is so fucking retarded he somehow managed to turn it into "ah yes, the floor here is made of floor."

I'm still wondering why the fuck the dems ever though hispanics would automatically translate into votes for them. I mean, never mind the fact that hispanics on average are on the conservative and libertarian sides, so expecting them to reliably vote for progressive authoritarians has to be the most retarded idea I've ever encountered (and for reference I have read all about the misadventures of the great CWC, and the entirety of El Quijote, and neither even compare) but even when they vote left. What the fuck made the dems think they would never wind up voting for a third party? I mean, that's not just Hispanics, the left in general always has a bad tendency to implode into single issue parties. Bringing in tons of voters who all have a single identity and more than likely one or more common issues is just a recipy to get overcome by whoever realizes how to play that game!

Also lol at putting machismo in quotes. Had he not used that I'd imagine he's using the english term, but with quotes and in context it seems quite clear he means the spanish term. Which tells me he doesn't actually know spanish. (Reminder: "Machismo" is the spanish word for "Mysoginy", it got its english definition from "macho" being used in similar contexts. Also btw last time I said the english version had no solid translation. I should've said "that I know of" because as it turns out the archaic term "hombría" would fit for a word that has that connotation in spanish, I just forgot it existed like a tard because to be fair it's been ages since I heard it. "Masculinidad" I guess would kinda fit too but that doesn't usually carry the same, ya know, "emphasis", it's more just to mean male characteristics in general not bravado and all that, kinda like using "dummy" instead of "FUCKING RETARD".) Sorry for going off tracks point is he accidentally claimed all Latinos are mysoginists, which by feminist rules is a big no no, so he's a FUCKING RETARD.
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Latinos voting for far left authoritarians definitely has a long history (Chavez, Correa, Ortega, Kirchner, Lula, etc etc etc). They just don't permanently, constantly vote for those people, because politics changes over time.
RockPaper said:
Even the Soviet Union as constituted, as powerful and repressive as it was, only lasted one human lifetime.
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True, 74 years from revolution to collapse. Centuries are a long time. The American Republic has lasted over 2 of them, much longer than any communist system (the DPRK, the oldest still standing now though it's not really communist anymore, is only 75 years old). Even if you only count the peaceful time since the end of the civil war, that's still over 150 years.
 
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Pointless Pedant said:
If they actually did all that stuff a Bolsonaro-ish backlash seems likely. Years of socialist rule (including gun seizure, affirmative action, etc) in Brazil led to a right wing resurgence after their government collapsed and Rousseff was impeached. 4-12 years is one thing but forever is a long time.

Brazilian socialists had 14 years from Lula's first election to the Rousseff impeachment. Bolsonaro was elected 2 years later.

This isn't to understate the damage the Brazilian left did, though. They almost left the country in economic ruins by the end.
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Here in Brazil, socialists have a stacked supreme court and power grabby socialist parties tho.

the supreme court gets to decide in stuff like "fake news law" and obligatory covid-19 vacinations, all by processes started by extreme minority socialist parties with 1% of the vote, they also overrule many of the presidential decrees and exclusive executive measures, like the nomeation of ministers.

we went a hair breathd from institutional crisis because the court was about order the seize of the presidents personal cellphone, because some congressmen demanded to make all records public, and the armed forces said they wouldn't allow it to happen.

electing a right wing president is far from the resolution to left wing power grabbyness, is not that simple.
 
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Here is the 2016 Election Day thread for people that want to review that glorious night.

Page 30 is where it starts to get good; Page 60 is when it started to really sink in that Trump was going to win.

I also take personal responsibility for getting the thread locked when I posted the link a couple months back.
 
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I think even if you had mostly legitimate polling, you normally tend to see tightening of a race like this closer to election day. Moreso when an incumbent is running for re-election. If the state of the country is a little iffy in their mind for whatever reason, for a while they will flirt with voting for the challenger, but near the end "buyer's remorse" sets in with some voters, and there is movement back toward the incumbent. "Do I really want THIS challenger as President?" is often answered with "No."

Exceptions are like 1980, where polling was fucked because people were told Reagan would start WW3, and he won by a bigger margin than expected because in the privacy of the voting booth everyone realized Carter was a massive, depressing fuck-up.

Polling is fucked now too for different reasons, so I always think Trump is doing better than the polls, but a tightening race is still normal.
 
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RockPaper said:
I think even if you had mostly legitimate polling, you normally tend to see tightening of a race like this closer to election day. Moreso when an incumbent is running for re-election. If the state of the country is a little iffy in their mind for whatever reason, for a while they will flirt with voting for the challenger, but near the end "buyer's remorse" sets in with some voters, and there is movement back toward the incumbent. "Do I really want THIS challenger as President?" is often answered with "No."

Exceptions are like 1980, where polling was fucked because people were told Reagan would start WW3, and he won by a bigger margin than expected because in the privacy of the voting booth everyone realized Carter was a massive, depressing fuck-up.

Polling is fucked now too for different reasons, so I always think Trump is doing better than the polls, but a tightening race is still normal.
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I personally don't think the race is tightening. I think it was close on the day of the second debate, then Biden monumentally fucked up, then Trump took the lead and his lead has been increasing ever since.
 
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Why the hell are people so stabby over this election? The last time I remember folks being this willing to cut off friends and family over nothing more than who they hope wins an election was 1992, Clinton vs Bush. (I don't count 2016's Trump vs Clinton because that seemed to flush out all the KKK wannabes for some reason.) I am also a bit drunk so I'm probably overlooking something huge that will make perfect sense in a few hours.
 
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DtoDab said:
electing a right wing president is far from the resolution to left wing power grabbyness, is not that simple.
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Agree. Electing Trump was important but without McConnell's strategy of stacking the courts with conservatives, he would have had a much harder time stopping the left's power grabbing.

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Salubrious said:
I personally don't think the race is tightening. I think it was close on the day of the second debate, then Biden monumentally fucked up, then Trump took the lead and his lead has been increasing ever since.
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Well, technically it is, but I never believed the bullshit polls with Biden having huge leads anyway. I consider it an artificial tightening at this point with some polling firms trying to save face for next time.
 
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Damn Pennsylvania.
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FatalTater said:
Why the hell are people so stabby over this election? The last time I remember folks being this willing to cut off friends and family over nothing more than who they hope wins an election was 1992, Clinton vs Bush. (I don't count 2016's Trump vs Clinton because that seemed to flush out all the KKK wannabes for some reason.) I am also a bit drunk so I'm probably overlooking something huge that will make perfect sense in a few hours.
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A number of reasons. The moralizing of politics, people thinking this election will make or break America, 2020 sucking, SJWs becoming more mainstream, the Internet radicalizing people of both parties, politics becoming part of daily life, etc.
 
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FatalTater said:
Why the hell are people so stabby over this election? The last time I remember folks being this willing to cut off friends and family over nothing more than who they hope wins an election was 1992, Clinton vs Bush. (I don't count 2016's Trump vs Clinton because that seemed to flush out all the KKK wannabes for some reason.) I am also a bit drunk so I'm probably overlooking something huge that will make perfect sense in a few hours.
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The left has convinced themselves that this is the ultimate good vs. evil debate.

That the ONLY reason someone would vote for Trump is because they are hateful racists that don't care that Trump has killed 230K Americans with his racist virus.

I haven't heard anyone from the right threaten to cut off their leftie friends; it's all in one direction.


Mostly because that's all the DNC has this year. They can't rag on Trump for economy or foreign policy, so it's all Joe good, Donald bad.

 
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