Manosphere Marijan Šiklić (ThatIncelBlogger) 2: The Revenge

[Saint]

I am not trying to judge the amount of validity this hypothesis has in its original context. For one, I am not not educated in that field.

I love how he comes out and says: Look, I don't know shit about this field, but I'm going to give you my opinion on it anyway.

These "Colorful Feathers" are a sign of hard work and good survival instincts. Brightly colored animals have to work harder to survive than the more dull colored females. But again, that is just one example.

Some birds actually have to show off what they can do besides look pretty. There are birds that the males actually build a nest to show how capable they are to the females. And if the female doesn't like it, she DESTROYS the nest. So the male starts over and tries harder. It isn't feminism to want a good man who can support her, when even animals are smart enough to see if the guy can't do the job right he isn't worth it.

A quick google search would probably yield even more results of ACTUAL SCIENCE at work to show how seduction works in both the animal world and human world. Holden just sucks at Natural Selection and will probably die alone.

 

[sugoi-chan]

A quick google search would probably yield even more results of ACTUAL SCIENCE at work to show how seduction works in both the animal world and human world. Holden just sucks at Natural Selection and will probably die alone.

Problem is when you write off this kind of science as a result of feminism, as our buddy @Holden does.

 

[deductionotaku]

I love how he comes out and says: Look, I don't know shit about this field, but I'm going to give you my opinion on it anyway.

And on top of that, the exact theory he uses has been discredited and replaced. What value it did have - which would prove enough of what Holden says (about people, not peafowl) - has been moved into a better theory. He couldn't even be bothered to use the better theory.

But by far, the best part is the blatant contradiction in what he says. As sugoi-chan points out, he believes any scientific studies conducted after 1960 (or perhaps 1955, he's waffled on the exact year) is inherently discredited since it came about in a time of feminism. However, his precious r/K theory - the one he uses here - came about in 1967.

A quick google search would probably yield even more results of ACTUAL SCIENCE at work to show how seduction works in both the animal world and human world. Holden just sucks at Natural Selection and will probably die alone.

Shush! Holden doesn't believe in Darwinism. He doesn't want to admit it, but he believes in orthogenesis - yet another discredited theory, this time on evolution.

 

[supdup]

I've seen people completely fail to apply logic and cognitive functioning to their lives but this... I've never seen a failure of this magnitude in the processing of "If X, then Y" before.

Exactly. It's my belief he's far more interested in shifting blame away from his behavior than anything else. And he mistakenly thinks he's clever enough to fool people into think he's on some sort of intellectual pursuit.

No women pushed themselves on him when he was young, his parents didn't trick him with a hooker for his first time, and then he found what's his face (loveshy leader who's married now. Starts with an f....). He was told by these people that it's te women, not him, with the problem. The rest is history. Long story short. Holden doesn't have a single individual thought in his body. He regurgitates what others tell him.

This. So much this. The f----- cult dogma is interesting. This worldview he uncritical bought hook, line and sinker allows his narcissism to flourish unchecked and that is where he finds comfort. He can just sit back and point his stinky finger at the world and never have to think about critically examining himself or the world.

So in his logic, everyone that is arguing with him here should be in prison because we aren't rapists? Yeah, that's pretty nukkin futs. I also notice he seems to mention something about "Women hating providers because they are not rapists" or something like that? So does he feel that the only successful people in the world are rapist bastards?

Yes. He has hinged his entire "theory" about women on his extremely limited experience with women that numbers in the single digits. It goes back to his failure to see cause and effect. He did really stupid things to screw up any chance he had with girls who were interested in him, so he had to come up with something ... anything, to blame anything but himself.

He's such a fucking loser, it's unreal.

 

[4Macie]

Yes. He has hinged his entire "theory" about women on his extremely limited experience with women that numbers in the single digits. It goes back to his failure to see cause and effect. He did really stupid things to screw up any chance he had with girls who were interested in him, so he had to come up with something ... anything, to blame anything but himself.

He's such a fucking loser, it's unreal.

Every story he's told us and that are on his blog detail his dates and relationships. It's always him that did something wrong. He TOLD "TFO" he wanted to break up because he was too afraid to commit. She said "fine" and went off to vacation with her parents after Holden demanded she not go. Of fucking course she wanted nothing to do with him after he messaged her constantly and wrote songs/poetry for her every day after that. He fucking broke up with her and she was done with his baby ass tantrums.

He was playing two girls. He was technically dating both of them at the same time to "increase his odds". Of fucking course they didn't want to stay with that type of mess.

Then Holden would get really clingy to other girls if there was a potential for sex. So, they'd leave him. No girl wants a guy who's so fucking desperate for sex that he becomes clingy and too burdensome.


But, of course NONE of this is his fault. It's totally the girls who didn't sleep with him or stick around and marry his depressing ass.

Every story he's told us and that are on his blog detail his dates and relationships. It's always him that did something wrong. He TOLD "TFO" he wanted to break up because he was too afraid to commit. She said "fine" and went off to vacation with her parents after Holden demanded she not go. Of fucking course she wanted nothing to do with him after he messaged her constantly and wrote songs/poetry for her every day after that. He fucking broke up with her and she was done with his baby ass tantrums.

He was playing two girls. He was technically dating both of them at the same time to "increase his odds". Of fucking course they didn't want to stay with that type of mess.

Then Holden would get really clingy to other girls if there was a potential for sex. So, they'd leave him. No girl wants a guy who's so fucking desperate for sex that he becomes clingy and too burdensome.


But, of course NONE of this is his fault. It's totally the girls who didn't sleep with him or stick around and marry his depressing ass.

I know it's a double post: but I wanted to quote some stuff from Holden's dating/relationship blog so he can't say I'm a lying bitch.

Spoiler

Once that slutty girl asked for sex I got so scared I threw my cell phone under the bed !!! There was one girl who begged me to meet her for months. I couldn’t. I now know all this was the biggest mistake of my life. It retarded my progress and the consequences will be there forever.

First change came in 2006. One spring day I was very drunk and finally told this girl I was messaging with that we will meet up the next day. So we did. It was a disaster, as she was extremely unattractive and had a boring, plain personality. I couldn’t wait for her to leave.

After the school year ended I invited her for a beer, with no expectations. I didn’t like her looks a lot and she didn’t seem interested in dating at all. It was quite a shock when she told me she likes me. Of course, today I’d know it was all bullshit as she never even met me in real life but back then I really believed we will be together.
So, we met once and I couldn’t even touch her. We were both yet to experience our first kiss and were extremely shy. Same thing happened on our second date, when we were barely able to hug each other. After she went home I just sat on the street like a fuckin idiot, on the verge of crying. How will I ever be normal?

I once again couldn’t kiss her and was already going crazy. At the end we went to some park and she kissed me. I was so shocked I moved my head away from her. She tried again and this time I didn’t move away but I sucked at it. Still, it was my first kiss ! We held hands some more and then she had to go. I was confident I now have a girlfriend. However, she didn’t send me any messages for 4-5 days. When she finally did she told me she can’t be in a relationship now (she later admitted that she thought we had no chemistry, which was true). I was in great pain and cried for weeks.

One Saturday afternoon, 16 June 2007, I was bored because I couldn’t talk to that girl so I went on that SMS dating service again, just to kill time. Amazingly, I met another girl and it turned out we sort of know each other – she used to go to the same kindergarten as I did and was friends with my brother there. I remembered her name and appearance a bit -after all, the last time I saw her was 12 years before ! She was only 16 years old at the time.
I started talking to her too. My basic calculation was that it’s better for me to meet two girls than just one – if I don’t have chemistry with one of them I’ll try with the other. It seemed like that first girl will be my girlfriend but who could be sure?

When this short girl with massive tits sat next to me I frowned. It was as if I felt something bad was to happen. But she just smiled and we started talking. It was the best date I have ever had in my life, a stunning success that can never be repeated. We talked for 6 hours straight. I told her my entire life 1995-2007 and she immediately told me she wants to be my girlfriend. It was the single most beautiful event in my life. If only I knew it would turn out to be such a nightmare.

However, I still had to meet that other girl, the one I exchanged so many messages with. We met two days after that stunning meeting and it was a disaster. I didn’t like her, she didn’t like me. But there was one problem – after so many messages and her not knowing about that other girl we both didn’t have the courage to admit it. That mean that I now thought that two girls want to be with me!?

She had to go to the seaside for no less than 50 days. I was scared that I will miss her so I told her I don’t want to commit. She became very angry and dissapointed. I have already made her mad with that other girl and now this… I also screwed up by saying I think she’ll cheat on my with bad boys. We met the next day, July 12 2007. That was the worst day of my life. The mood was depressing. We both knew we wouldn’t see each other for 50 days. She was angry and my bullshit couldn’t fly anymore. We got into an argument and she said she only wants to be friends. After more tense conversation I got up and walked away.

Just half an hour later I realized how stupid I’ve been. I sent her a long message, saying I’m sorry and that I hope we will see each other tomorrow before she goes to the seaside. She didn’t reply. I sent another very long message the next day, saying how sorry I am and how much I love her. But she already went to that resort with her family. As I was enlisting in college I felt like complete shit, like I was dying. I was so unhappy…. As for that other girl, the first one I met, I didn’t tell her about her yet but she also went away and we almost stopped exchanging messages, as if we knew it’s not working.
Summer started… I would send my crush a love song every day. I was so in love and so hopeful. I knew she’d be back here on July 25-26 for some medical exam and believed that’s when I’ll see her. I couldn’t wait ! On first days she seemed ok, even told me she misses me… But when she did come and I asked her to meet she told me “Why would we meet? You said you don’t want to commit”… I begged her, explained how stupid I was, but to no avail… She didn’t want to see me and said we’ll maybe see each other when she definitely comes back. I got really angry, as this meant I will not see her for another month and told some bad shit.
After that she became very cold while I got more and more obsessed. Around August 15 I finally had enough and told this other girl about everything that happened. Her reply was shocking – she never liked me and knew we had no chemistry but didn’t want to dissapoint me

She even agreed to send her a message, trying to convince her to be with me. But my crush just stopped replying. She didn’t reply for the last 20 days of August, sending me into despair. Still, I was hopeful that things will change when she comes back. September 1 was approaching.
When she finally did get back she sent me one single message, first one after 20 days “I don’t know, I don’t like you anymore”. I immediately burst into tears. During the next 3 days I didn’t cry, I was psychologically burnt out and remained in bed. Then she agreed to meet me but never said the time or the place. After that tears started. I’d wake up very early, be on the internet, cry, and that was my day. I was simply devastated.
After a week or so she sent me a message, asking me how I’m feeling. We started talking again and agreed to meet. However, she cancelled it.

After she cancelled it I made another great mistake. I went on that sms flert again and met another girl. This girl was my age, single and extremely attractive. We agreed to meet but that September 19 was another great fuck up. What happened was that I didn’t sleep all night, then went out with some friends in the morning and then, instead of going to fucking sleep, went to the neighbourhood of that girl (the only all this fuss was about), trying to see her. I came home at 3 PM and overslept the meeting with that other girl ! It turned out to be one of the most moronic mistakes in my life, as she was extremely angry and I was never given another chance. I can’t know if we would be together but if we could have been it turned out to be one of the worst mistakes of my life. But at that time I wasn’t too worried, as I still believed I will get that girl I liked so much back. We started talking a lot, and she even told me she wants to love me again. I was extatic. I thought all my trouble and hard work finally paid off. She promised me that we will meet. We arranged to meet on November 4, exactly 4 months after our beautiful meeting on 4 July. I really believed I will finally make her love me again and all of this will be something we will tell our grandchildren once.

But it was not meant to be. Just half an hour before the meeting she said she doesn’t feel like coming. I called her and she told me that any normal guy would give up long ago and wouldn’t let himself be treated that way. She doesn’t want to be with me.

This one is my personal favorite. Holden basically calls his girlfriend a whore/slut who will cheat on him; breaks up with her, and then doesn't understand how it's his fault that she doesn't want to be with him when he realizes 30 minutes later that he wants her back.

Of course, there AT LEAST 5 more quotes I could do, but we all get the picture. At no point has the fault for Holden's failure at life been a woman's fault... it's always been his. He just doesn't want to accept it.

 

[chimpburgers]

I know it's a double post: but I wanted to quote some stuff from Holden's dating/relationship blog so he can't say I'm a lying bitch.

Spoiler

This one is my personal favorite. Holden basically calls his girlfriend a whore/slut who will cheat on him; breaks up with her, and then doesn't understand how it's his fault that she doesn't want to be with him when he realizes 30 minutes later that he wants her back.

Of course, there AT LEAST 5 more quotes I could do, but we all get the picture. At no point has the fault for Holden's failure at life been a woman's fault... it's always been his. He just doesn't want to accept it.

Holden meets up with a girl, Holden gets sick of the girl even after just meeting her, Holden cuts off contact with these girls and these girls get sick of him, Holden cries for several days, and then repeat. Yup, I can see how he'd be causing a lot of these problems himself. He's so picky too and I read the entirety of these quotes. Of course he'll probably try to spin this and say that you're cherry picking and that it wasn't his fault somehow.

 

[4Macie]

Holden meets up with a girl, Holden gets sick of the girl even after just meeting her, Holden cuts off contact with these girls and these girls get sick of him, Holden cries for several days, and then repeat. Yup, I can see how he'd be causing a lot of these problems himself. He's so picky too and I read the entirety of these quotes. Of course he'll probably try to spin this and say that you're cherry picking and that it wasn't his fault somehow.

The thing is, I didn't cherry pick anything. I literally used the first quote that described a girl and a situation. There is NOTHING in the whole blog post that is in Holden's favor EXCEPT that a girl apparently left her boyfriend for Holden or cheated on her boyfriend. And then went back to said boyfriend when Holden showed his colors.

Here's a link to the blog post in question. https://caamib.wordpress.com/2012/12/

 

[chimpburgers]

The thing is, I didn't cherry pick anything. I literally used the first quote that described a girl and a situation. There is NOTHING in the whole blog post that is in Holden's favor EXCEPT that a girl apparently left her boyfriend for Holden or cheated on her boyfriend. And then went back to said boyfriend when Holden showed his colors.

Here's a link to the blog post in question. https://caamib.wordpress.com/2012/12/

From what I see, you literally cut and pasted whole stories he had made clear in that post. All of it his words so he's gonna have a hard time getting around this one.

I was just theoretically thinking about how Holden would be able to somehow work this in his favor.

 

[Adamska]

From what I see, you literally cut and pasted whole stories he had made clear in that post. All of it his words so he's gonna have a hard time getting around this one.

I was just theoretically thinking about how Holden would be able to somehow work this in his favor.

He'll just call you insane or say it didn't happen because it didn't happen. Or that you simply misquoted him. Why? Because fuck truth and fuck paying attention to the shit I say. That's how he works.

 

[Saint]

He'll just call you insane or say it didn't happen because it didn't happen. Or that you simply misquoted him. Why? Because fuck truth and fuck paying attention to the shit I say. That's how he works.

No wonder @Cowlick felt the need to put him in his place. They are pretty much the same person, just on opposite ends of the world where this is concerned.

The only difference I can see is that for one: Mr. Lick isn't a rapist, and two: People don't actually hate Cowlick. Dislike him? Sure, several do. But some of them actually seem willing to give him a shot if he would pull his head out of his ass. @Holden on the other hand? He seems to just have a general "You suck" sort of vibe with everyone.

 

[deductionotaku]

Mr. Lick isn't a rapist

For clarity, some don't think Holden is, either. And even if he is, he's grossly exaggerated his activities. He's raped maybe two women tops, but the way he tells it Croatia should be on the hunt for a serial rapist and the only reason it's not is that women don't report rapists unless they're incel.

 

[Saint]

For clarity, some don't think Holden is, either. And even if he is, he's grossly exaggerated his activities. He's raped maybe two women tops, but the way he tells it Croatia should be on the hunt for a serial rapist and the only reason it's not is that women don't report rapists unless they're incel.

Indeed. Though with @Cowlick confessing he isn't sexually active, we can at least say he isn't interested in rape. @Holden seems to talk about it non-stop, so whether he has or not, it is still a very unhealthy obsession.

 

[HickoryDickory]

For clarity, some don't think Holden is, either. And even if he is, he's grossly exaggerated his activities. He's raped maybe two women tops, but the way he tells it Croatia should be on the hunt for a serial rapist and the only reason it's not is that women don't report rapists unless they're incel.

And let's not forget that he believes that minorities can rape without punishment due to "Liberals", and "good, white men" get jailed for not raping...

Sometimes I like to think that he's committing some big farce since he refuses even to voice chat let lone anything else, but then I recall that he's been spreading this tripe for years...

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

I don't know shit about this field, but I'm going to give you my opinion on it anyway.

Exactly what your post is.

I am not a biologist or an anthropologist. I don't know anybody here who is. Even if they were, they'd still not be automatically correct.

These "Colorful Feathers" are a sign of hard work and good survival instincts.

How? How are bright feathers a sign of hard work? Wouldn't they just impede hard work?

Brightly colored animals have to work harder to survive than the more dull colored females. But again, that is just one example.

That's like saying that somebody who's good at running from the police is working harder to survive than somebody who graduated engineering. Isn't it better to not have these feathers at all and, you know, not attract predators at all?

Some birds actually have to show off what they can do besides look pretty. There are birds that the males actually build a nest to show how capable they are to the females. And if the female doesn't like it, she DESTROYS the nest. So the male starts over and tries harder.

Do you know anything about my views at all?

When have I said all birds suffer from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisherian_runaway ?

Also, when have I said that it is feminism that makes women want providers? Feminism destroys this, by giving women votes that make them vote themselves resources from the government !

My views on this are here https://caamib.wordpress.com/the-story-of-your-incel-an-inconvenient-truth/

Also, check https://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/sexualutopia.pdf

Btw thank you for being civil, but you seem to misinterpret me a lot !

 

[Marjan Šiklić]

Regarding my post above - why the hell do you think I say incel men shouldn't work?

It's not because feminism made it so providers are valued, lol. Then why would I tell men not to work?

I tell men not to work because raping a woman and breaking her skull will make you more appreciated by them than having a job. Unless you're a seducer, but in that case it's irrelevant if you work or not anyway, your weapon is seduction and you'll attract women whether you work or not. But women hated me a lot more when I worked, while they didn't care if I didn't work or found it cute.

 

[supdup]

I tell men not to work because raping a woman and breaking her skull will make you more appreciated by them than having a job. Unless you're a seducer, but in that case it's irrelevant if you work or not anyway, your weapon is seduction and you'll attract women whether you work or not. But women hated me a lot more when I worked, while they didn't care if I didn't work or found it cute.

Keep in mind folks, the women he talks about number in the single digits and some have questionable mental capacities.

 

[Adamska]

Keep in mind folks, the women he talks about number in the single digits and some have questionable mental capacities.

Plus he was responsible for each and every relationship falling apart into nuclear hellfire.

 

[4Macie]

Feminism destroys this, by giving women votes that make them vote themselves resources from the government !

So because women can vote and be resourceful to the government.... Society went to the shitter.

Really? That's all it took? If letting women be individuals and letting them express their rights made society crash... Society had a problem before women came in.

You forget, Holden, women work and pay taxes too. The very taxes you bitch that incel men have to pay, hardworking women have to pay too. I've never slept around, I don't consider myself a feminist, but I'm totally fine paying taxes if that means a single parent gets the help they need for their child.

Slavery is abolished Holden, women aren't slaves for you to control and fuck. The society you want is illogical and would never work.
At the very least, it would crash in months. Roughly 2/3 of the world (according to the countries you list) are modern westernized societies. This means 2/3 of the women population are "modern westernized slut feminists". You would put 2/3 of the women of the world into sex slavery (forced prostition). That means that less than 1/3 of the male population could ever get married. That's more than 2/3 of the populace would be incels.


Your perfect world scenario would create more incels than there have ever been in modernized society today. You're a monster.

 

[Saint]

Exactly what your post is.

I am not a biologist or an anthropologist. I don't know anybody here who is. Even if they were, they'd still not be automatically correct.


How? How are bright feathers a sign of hard work? Wouldn't they just impede hard work?


That's like saying that somebody who's good at running from the police is working harder to survive than somebody who graduated engineering. Isn't it better to not have these feathers at all and, you know, not attract predators at all?


Do you know anything about my views at all?

When have I said all birds suffer from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisherian_runaway ?

Also, when have I said that it is feminism that makes women want providers? Feminism destroys this, by giving women votes that make them vote themselves resources from the government !

My views on this are here https://caamib.wordpress.com/the-story-of-your-incel-an-inconvenient-truth/

Also, check https://dontmarry.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/sexualutopia.pdf

Btw thank you for being civil, but you seem to misinterpret me a lot !

I have no problem with being civil. But if someone is an ass towards me, then I return it in kind. I was just expressing my views. I can continue to be civil, but please don't assume that means I agree with you because I truly don't.

To start, I do seem to know more about this field than you. I enjoy learning more about nature and have done some studies on it and watched quite a few documentaries on animal mating and survival. You claim that you don't know something about the subject because you are not a biologist or anthropologist, but also say that that doesn't make them right either. While there is disagreement in a lot of fields of science, most do agree about animal mating rituals and how their kinds of seduction do work. You are wanting to refute proven facts by saying that just because someone is an expert doesn't make them right? Well, just from their field of study, they would certainly be a better source than you and the source you quote has been shown to be outdated and wrong.

Brightly colored animals are more noticeable to the predators that hunt them. Unless they are intelligent and strong enough to survive, they will not live long enough to mate. That is why displaying their colors is attractive. They are proclaiming "I have all this, and I am of superior stock that allows me to survive with this." Also, most women react well to flashy men in general, be them animal or human.

What I know about your views are from what I have seen you post. I find them unrefined and outdated.

Regarding my post above - why the hell do you think I say incel men shouldn't work?

It's not because feminism made it so providers are valued, lol. Then why would I tell men not to work?

I tell men not to work because raping a woman and breaking her skull will make you more appreciated by them than having a job. Unless you're a seducer, but in that case it's irrelevant if you work or not anyway, your weapon is seduction and you'll attract women whether you work or not. But women hated me a lot more when I worked, while they didn't care if I didn't work or found it cute.

Just because this is your experience doesn't automatically make it the way the rest of the world works. Women find men with jobs to be more attractive than men without jobs. When I didn't have a job, it was easy to tell that the women I spoke to didn't see that I could provide for them. After I got a job, I had many more women interested in me. I have never had to resort to rape or seduction to get a woman. I simply was friendly and let the relationship grow.

Women do want providers. Some choose men that are thugs or criminals, but studies have shown that women like that usually are lacking something or have had some sort of trauma that makes them feel they can't do better. But if you dig beneath that trauma, you will find that all women are the same. They simply want someone who will be kind and take care of them.

 

[4Macie]

I have never had to resort to rape or seduction to get a woman. I simply was friendly and let the relationship grow.

Holden has said that he thinks just talking to a woman and being nice and finding common interests is seducing. So, in this regard, Holden probably thinks you were seducing those women by being friendly.

Congrats on being an UberSeducer.