Cultcow Russell Greer / Mr. Green / @ just_some_dude_named_russell29 / A Safer Nevada PAC - Swift-Obsessed Sex Pest, Convicted of E-Stalking, "Eggshell Skull Plaintiff" Pro Se Litigant, Homeless, aspiring brothel owner

[The Great Citracett]

Time to open your own apartment brothel and employ all those displaced hookers!

 

[Rustled Jimmies]

Now I really wish he’d go through a psych evaluation we could all listen in on, the way he approached that Russian girl is pure industrial grade autism. She was a complete stranger, sitting by herself, occupied with her work, and he dove right in there to place himself next to her to start talking and ask for her phone number in what I assume is their first meeting. I bet it never crossed his mind that she wouldn’t want to be disturbed, let alone in such a rude manner.

If only he could be neutralized somehow, he’s so unsophisticated in his methods and such a dumb fuck of a predator that I think he could be kept content but I’m not sure with what. He seems to hold himself above sex dolls and wants something more than continuously paying hookers. Maybe he’d change his tune about video games if someone gave the man a VR headset and sent him to SecondLife where he can pay some strippers who don’t have to see his face or body.

I remember being in school, same scenario, sped comes up to me and won't leave me alone, violating my personal space, I try to ignore him, try not to get confrontational, till one day I had enough and told him he's annoying.
He got violent.

That's probably how this girl felt, except she didn't tell him to fuck off because she was afraid he would hurt her in a spastic rage, she was a young girl, not exactly fit to fight back.

Russell thinks all there is to a relationship is thinly veiled compliments, ignoring how his actions make girls feel.

 

[AnOminous]

I know at the time she didn't have a boyfriend but just didn't like being around him.

Russ often accuses women of lying about having boyfriends just to dodge his creeper activities. He's often wrong (bullshit like this is how he ended up criminally convicted) but I'm sure this has actually happened to him often. The lesson, that maybe he shouldn't be so much of a creep that he forces women to tell polite lies in a desperate attempt to avoid him, always eludes him.

Thanks for telling us about Russ being confident (or delusional) enough to just go up to any woman and start hitting on her! There's a view on here sometimes that Russ is a shrinking violet in person, so it's good to hear from the horse's mouth that that's not the case and the drooling goblin is as pushy and annoying in meatspace as he is online (at least where women are concerned).

If you've actually watched video of him, though, he is completely a physical coward. He relies on being male to be able to intimidate women. If you watched him in his court appearances where he was being prosecuted, he just sullenly sat there staring nearly straight down. And given an opportunity to confront Skordas in person, he absolutely pussied out and couldn't even look him in the face, just seething impotently. He's obviously capable of being intimidating when faced with a FEEEEEmale and doesn't think she can do anything to him, probably because this has never happened to him. I honestly hope he runs into some instathot at some point who tones up by doing MMA and beats his fucking face in.

 

[Clovis]

He seems to hold himself above sex dolls

Wait, has this thread broken my mind, or did he at some point say he'd bought a sex doll?

I remember being in school, same scenario, sped comes up to me and won't leave me alone, violating my personal space, I try to ignore him, try not to get confrontational, till one day I had enough and told him he's annoying.
He got violent.

That's probably how this girl felt, except she didn't tell him to fuck off because she was afraid he would hurt her in a spastic rage, she was a young girl, not exactly fit to fight back.

Despite what the manosphere might think, I'm sure girls are still socialised to be too accommodating and polite. A lot of young men (and society) would benefit from being straightforwardly told when their behaviour is autistic, obnoxious and cringe-worthy. Russ is a monster, and was probably born a monster but he's spent his life getting a pass because society is polite and accommodating. Shit, he's like a physical embodiment of the price we have to pay for being fair and giving weirdos the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Constellationzero]

Did you ever see him show his temper at all? Shout, or get snarky? With women, or men? @NipplelessWoman told us about how he'd get shouty and ball up his fists, and Russ stalked her roommate badly for a while. I'm curious if Russ ever got openly angry or aggressive with guys around, or just women.

Thanks for telling us about Russ being confident (or delusional) enough to just go up to any woman and start hitting on her! There's a view on here sometimes that Russ is a shrinking violet in person, so it's good to hear from the horse's mouth that that's not the case and the drooling goblin is as pushy and annoying in meatspace as he is online (at least where women are concerned).

Oh...I always suspected our butternut was...that guy. At least in the workplace, but not surprising he'd be...that guy at school too.

That Guy: When you are a young lady who is slim and relatively good looking or even outright beautiful. You will be harassed and plagued mercilessly at your place of employment or at school by...that guy.
Your stomach ties itself in knots. You are stressed out to the max because no one--not even your parents--can save you from that guy--most of the time. All you wanna do is just study. All you wanna do is just get through your shift at work. All you wanna do is grill, but...

Late last night and the night before,
That Guy, That Guy knocking at my door.
Wanna go out; don't know if I can,
'cause I'm so afraid of the butternut man

 

[Spawn]

No, Bob is a Masshole. Brianna Wu?

No, Johnny's another Masshole, originally from Mississippi.

I was referring to chris chan

 

[AnOminous]

Russ is a monster, and was probably born a monster but he's spent his life getting a pass because society is polite and accommodating.

American society is not particularly polite and accommodating, even in >current year.

Russhole is actually probably a unique product of the kindness and decency of Mormons, specifically. He could not have gotten away with his specific brand of bullshit as long as he has in any culture other than that of the LDS.

 

[Meredith Swift]

American society is not particularly polite and accommodating, even in >current year.

Russhole is actually probably a unique product of the kindness and decency of Mormons, specifically. He could not have gotten away with his specific brand of bullshit as long as he has in any culture other than that of the LDS.

It's also that people who don't know him assume that he has a cognitive disability and they don't want to be outright mean to someone who lacks the capacity to fully understand the situation.

 

[Phil Ken Sebben]

American society is not particularly polite and accommodating, even in >current year.

Russhole is actually probably a unique product of the kindness and decency of Mormons, specifically. He could not have gotten away with his specific brand of bullshit as long as he has in any culture other than that of the LDS.

Have to agree with this. If there's one thing about Mormons, other than their rather wacky beliefs, is they tend to be very polite and nice. Most likely in growing up he was treated with kid gloves and told how special he was. He internalized this and it could be why he thinks he's such a super-stud.

In any other situation he would have been made fun of and might have wound up a school shooter. But growing up Mormon probably helped him. Although he is possibly one of the most un-Mormon people out there.

 

[Riske_boy]

Most likely in growing up he was treated with kid gloves and told how special he was. He internalized this and it could be why he thinks he's such a super-stud... But growing up Mormon probably helped him. Although he is possibly one of the most un-Mormon people out there.

One Mormon religious belief is that those who are born disabled are born that way because they were more "valiant" before being born with the war in heaven. The thought behind this is that if you are born disabled you were super good in heaven before coming to earth. The reason that you would be born disabled is so that you wouldn't sin so that you can return to heaven without problem Mormons believe that you need to obtain a body as part of "the plan".

So I definitely see that Russell could have been treated super good because of his disability at church. Mormons can be mean with people for other reasons but disability isn't one of them. I'm still in the religion but don't believe a lot of it and am 99% sure he was coddled to believe he was special for his disability.

 

[AbraCadaver]

He wants to be a songwriter with the fame of a singer. He doesn't understand that doesn't happen. No one cares who writes the song, they only care who sings it. Ever hear of Tom Kelly or Billy Steinberg? They wrote "Like a Virgin." Madonna just sung it, but that song launched her into her career as a sex symbol of the 80s and 90s. She got all the fame, they got a check, but they probably weren't expecting fame. Russ expects to write a hit for Taylor, and to be just as famous as she is. Even if he COULD write songs (he can't), that's not how it works. And it's been explained multiple times to him that Taylor writes her own songs. There are too many legal issues for her to accept a song from some nobody. It doesn't matter that he's disabled. she can't and won't take unsolicited material from anyone, even if they're ruggedly handsome.

I swear, Russ does NOT care about being a songwriter. It’s not his passion, it's not what he wants to do. He wants to be famous and laid by pop stars. He picked songwriting as his avenue into that lifestyle because it seemed easiest and it’s one of the few “Hollywood” jobs you can get, working with celebrities, while being arse-ugly. If someone told him tomorrow he could be an actor, or publicist, or personal trainer to the stars or whatever, and they’re setting that up for him right now, his casio keyboard would be stuffed into the bin within the hour.

He was actually really into classes at school. I don't know his grades but he'd try and call everyone out that didn't do the readings for class and complain that others weren't doing the homework. The teacher got after him and told him to not worry about others. I don't know what the official grades were but I got As where I didn't try hard.

god but what a little narc he is

I went to LDS Business College with him. Everyone at the school knew him back then for being harassing the girls at the school. I heard about the kill list at school before this website was even up. He admitted to this on a Facebook post years ago saying that he had a hit list. I had a roommate who worked with him as a janitor for the LDS church at the conference center. My roommate told me that he and other guys would have to escort the female employees to make sure that he wouldn't harass them since this was a common occurrence for him. He did personally tell me that he was evicted from the student housing for the school but never told me why. I heard from others about him.... you guessed it... harassing girls. But yeah, everything that's been stated on here I have heard about his younger days before kiwifarms was created and I've been told this from people who are from Evanston, WY.

It’s incredible how much harassment women at the school and his work were allowed to go through because firing or booting Russ was too hard. Many women allowed to be constantly harassed, just to avoid inconveniencing one guy.

Wait, has this thread broken my mind, or did he at some point say he'd bought a sex doll?

Despite what the manosphere might think, I'm sure girls are still socialised to be too accommodating and polite. A lot of young men (and society) would benefit from being straightforwardly told when their behaviour is autistic, obnoxious and cringe-worthy. Russ is a monster, and was probably born a monster but he's spent his life getting a pass because society is polite and accommodating. Shit, he's like a physical embodiment of the price we have to pay for being fair and giving weirdos the benefit of the doubt.

Women ARE still socialized to be nice and we’re told to tell guys who hit on us that we’re already taken, rather than just a “no”, because it “lets them down easy, it’s so hard for them to ask in the first place”...with the subtext being that it’s also safer. An outright “no” gets you yelled at or cussed out, called a right bitch who won’t give a nice guy a chance, also you’re ugly and it was a pity ask, fuck you, etc. Makes the rest of your day an angry, hurt, horrible one. If you’re lucky, there’s no yelling or swearing and the man strolls off with a passive-aggressive “fine thanks for your time, sorry to waste it, you’re too busy to talk to a decent man I guess” over his shoulder.

God help you if a creepy and persistent man tries to chat you up, they’re the dangerous ones you don’t want to anger, lest you find them loitering around your car in the parking lot later that night after work, and you have to flee back inside and beg a co-worker to walk out with you.

Getting that response over and over pretty much conditions you to turn the other way and lie to defuse a situation and avoid confrontation.

 

[DrJonesHat]

It’s incredible how much harassment women at the school and his work were allowed to go through because firing or booting Russ was too hard. Many women allowed to be constantly harassed, just to avoid inconveniencing one guy.

Yeah, @NipplelessWoman said they warned female students to be cautious of Russell, rather than forcing him to control himself or face expulsion. She said she had to go so far as bribing a homeless guy with food to run interference for her and her roommate. Russ was stalking her roommate from what she said. It must be a Mormon thing, because I've seen creepy dudes booted from jobs for less than Russ has done. I suspect his tendency to threaten lawsuits when he's threatened with discipline might also play into it. Of course, a good HR department would have a paper trail detailing their actions before they booted him.

 

[Phil Ken Sebben]

Yeah, @NipplelessWoman said they warned female students to be cautious of Russell, rather than forcing him to control himself or face expulsion. She said she had to go so far as bribing a homeless guy with food to run interference for her and her roommate. Russ was stalking her roommate from what she said. It must be a Mormon thing, because I've seen creepy dudes booted from jobs for less than Russ has done. I suspect his tendency to threaten lawsuits when he's threatened with discipline might also play into it. Of course, a good HR department would have a paper trail detailing their actions before they booted him.

Lawsuits typically don't work when you break the law. Like that catholic kid that put up those anti-gay posters all over school and got kicked out for it. And then his Mommy got involved, he tried to sue the school and was basically told to sit down and shut up?

 

[AbraCadaver]

Yeah, @NipplelessWoman said they warned female students to be cautious of Russell, rather than forcing him to control himself or face expulsion. She said she had to go so far as bribing a homeless guy with food to run interference for her and her roommate. Russ was stalking her roommate from what she said. It must be a Mormon thing, because I've seen creepy dudes booted from jobs for less than Russ has done. I suspect his tendency to threaten lawsuits when he's threatened with discipline might also play into it. Of course, a good HR department would have a paper trail detailing their actions before they booted him.

I dunno, I’ve worked in places where creeps work and we were told to just steer clear of them and “come get someone” if they got too horrible. Creeps often get away with a tonne of harassment before they finally get the boot. I think some management has a sort of “boys will be boys/I have bigger things to worry about than some desperate man asking for dates” attitude. I’ve been in situations where I was repeatedly harassed by male co-workers at functions (not plagued for dates, just straight up harassed about what colour my bra was and when did I last get laid and shite like that) and rather than remove the men, I was told to just ignore them as the boss “would talk to them about it later,” so as not to cause a public fuss.

I really don’t think we can blame this on Mormons. Horrible management exists everywhere.

 

[WhiskerBiscuit]

It’s incredible how much harassment women at the school and his work were allowed to go through because firing or booting Russ was too hard. Many women allowed to be constantly harassed, just to avoid inconveniencing one guy.

this is such corporate think. Most companies and bureaucracies like schools cater to those who they worry will whine loudest. Russell was a known precocious cuntington that no one wanted to bother with so they walk on eggshells to not upset him.


RE: women being socialized to basically lie. As a penis non-haver, I can confirm that i have never told a man I was not interested in him to his face. I have felt safe doing so by phone but never in person. I don’t apologize for this at all as the times I’ve *literally* been busy with work, school, etc and turned a man down, I’ve had men talk to me like I had no right to make plans. Or like skipping work for whatever shit convo the guy promised would pay my rent. So I’m sure that women lie to Russell. Can you imagine telling Russell the truth? “I’m sorry, I’m not interested. Your personality is shitty and your hygiene is worse.”

“Lawsuit!”

 

[AbraCadaver]

this is such corporate think. Most companies and bureaucracies like schools cater to those who they worry will whine loudest. Russell was a known precocious cuntington that no one wanted to bother with so they walk on eggshells to not upset him.


RE: women being socialized to basically lie. As a penis non-haver, I can confirm that i have never told a man I was not interested in him to his face. I have felt safe doing so by phone but never in person. I don’t apologize for this at all as the times I’ve *literally* been busy with work, school, etc and turned a man down, I’ve had men talk to me like I had no right to make plans. Or like skipping work for whatever shit convo the guy promised would pay my rent. So I’m sure that women lie to Russell. Can you imagine telling Russell the truth? “I’m sorry, I’m not interested. Your personality is shitty and your hygiene is worse.”

“Lawsuit!”

I just automatically say “I have a boyfriend” whether it’s true at the time or not because it’s better than getting yelled at.

Of course that never stops the “what’s your boyfriend got to do with us, baby?” arseholes, who don’t even know you. At that point I’m out of lies so I tell them to get lost and just take the ensuing tantrum in stride.

I’m kind of amazed Russ identifies that women are lying to him and don’t all have boyfriends. I would have thought he’d embrace the lie because it protects his ego.

 

[L. Ron Hubbard's Cat]

I dunno, I’ve worked in places where creeps work and we were told to just steer clear of them and “come get someone” if they got too horrible. Creeps often get away with a tonne of harassment before they finally get the boot. I think some management has a sort of “boys will be boys/I have bigger things to worry about than some desperate man asking for dates” attitude. I’ve been in situations where I was repeatedly harassed by male co-workers at functions (not plagued for dates, just straight up harassed about what colour my bra was and when did I last get laid and shite like that) and rather than remove the men, I was told to just ignore them as the boss “would talk to them about it later,” so as not to cause a public fuss.

I really don’t think we can blame this on Mormons. Horrible management exists everywhere.

Right, and don't think that Russ hasn't internalized it.

Whether or not he's intelligent enough to be cognizant of this phenomenon, it's a fact of life and he definitely uses it to his advantage. I'm not sure which is worse, actually -- whether he knows women have to be polite and people will tell them to endure his advances rather than immediately ask him to leave, or whether he's demented enough to think he's that special that everyone has to be nice to him and endure his advances because of his face.

Probably a little of each.

Edit: Third obvious option is that he really thinks there's nothing wrong with his behavior. Worst of all, but also not unique to Russ. If we had a thread for every dude who thought this crap was normal behavior, Kiwi Farms would take up half the internet.

 

[badboy2000]

Russell has said himself that it's not harassment if they don't tell him no.

And yes, he did buy a sex doll, and iirc, he had some complaints about a product he had recieved(assumed to be the doll), but I can't remember what it was.

 

[DrJonesHat]

Lawsuits typically don't work when you break the law. Like that catholic kid that put up those anti-gay posters all over school and got kicked out for it. And then his Mommy got involved, he tried to sue the school and was basically told to sit down and shut up?

He only got kicked out after he brought his mommy in and they refused any compromise that involve him being punished for breaking school rules. Before that, he could have stayed in. He went to like 50 lawyers and was told he didn't have a case. His name is Skylar Ittner, and he bragged about being a computer genius, and promptly got hacked by a Russian bear of the fancy sort.

@AbraCadaver a woman telling him she has a boyfriend doesn't always stop him. Remember that instamodel who killed herself? She told Russ she had a boyfriend and he insisted she was lying. He harassed her several time over her "imaginary boyfriend." And he's told several women they don't owe their bfs loyalty and they should cheat on them with him. He said that to Erika actually. What was so outrageous about the Erika incident is that she was upfront and firm that she just wanted a friendship, not a romantic relationship. But of course Russ immediately posts he's in a relationship with a model. Then when she gets a boyfriend, he immediately gets hostile and demands she "give him a chance" and the other crap we've come to expect of him. When she finally told him to leave her alone, he insisted it was her bf making her do so, and that she was being abused. Even if a girl tells him no, he won't stop, no matter what he says. When Taylor's family told him to stop contacting them, he went crazy. That's when he accused TS of slander by saying he was "invasive and troubling" even though it was the family's attorney that said that was how they described his frantic efforts to contact Taylor through them.

 

[GreeneCoDeputy]

One Mormon religious belief is that those who are born disabled are born that way because they were more "valiant" before being born with the war in heaven. The thought behind this is that if you are born disabled you were super good in heaven before coming to earth. The reason that you would be born disabled is so that you wouldn't sin so that you can return to heaven without problem Mormons believe that you need to obtain a body as part of "the plan".

I've seen and heard this bit brought up several times in reference to Brother Greer and just wanted to clarify a couple things.

• The stuff about the War in Heaven is a folk belief and not necessarily supported by any current official doctrine.
• The belief doesn't apply generally to people with disabilities. It applies to those who have such profound mental disabilities that they are unable to form the intent to sin. People with that level of mental disability are officially categorized as "unaccountable" in Church records because they can't consent to baptism.
• Russell Greer clearly does not fall under this umbrella. He was baptized, received the priesthood, served a mission, etc.

I agree with you that he likely received some leniency due to his condition(s) though. He seems to have some thought disorder and maybe some level of learning disability and given his background I'm sure Church leaders have tried to be understanding. It's got to be hard to come down on him when he acts out because he's clearly frustrated by his condition and how he's received socially.