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Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big
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The media is already coping over why a vaccine existing doesn't mean anything after the initial criticism of the cold temp storage loool. They're gonna move the goalposts again once the vaccine is widely distributed too, bet.
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Day of the rope can not come sooner.
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Canada wouldn't know how to react if they had Antifa-tier protests where protestors actually did set fire to property, vandalize buildings, and attempt to inflict permanent harm and death on those determined to stop them like they've done in the USA. It's probably too optimistic for Canadians to realize the "harassment" they're complaining about is the same sort of thing normies here have been forced to put up with for the past six months -- along with related callout/cancel culture -- with no signs of abating even after it appears Biden is the President-elect.
I think the issue is two-fold: a combination of the adage, "One can prove anything with statistics," and the fact people don't know any sort of daily math skills. By that, I mean that the push to get everybody in STEM-related fields has led schools to put more emphasis on algebra, geometry, and trigonometry while placing less emphasis on everyday math (if not eliminating those courses outright.
When I was in junior high, my great aunt somehow got her hands on two old academic textbooks. One was for "Consumer Math" and contained all sorts of real-life applications and problems. One such example was along the lines of, "Sam earns $2.75 an hour at a part time job. How many hours would Sam have to work in order to afford $47.95 in costs to attend a school event?"
In the chapter on graphs and plotting data, there was a section titled Graphs Can Be Misleading that showed how simply changing the graph's scale can make small changes look significant or large changes look like nothing. I wonder how much of this is happening as a way to further the doomer narrative.
In the chapter on graphs and plotting data, there was a section titled Graphs Can Be Misleading that showed how simply changing the graph's scale can make small changes look significant or large changes look like nothing. I wonder how much of this is happening as a way to further the doomer narrative.
TL;DR - People don't know how to read/interpret graphed data because it's being emphasized less than STEM-releated math skills deemed more important.
While there might be lingering long-term effects, I think the truth is nobody will know the full extent until we reach a long-term point from now. Still, it's grating that this is used as one of the many ways to sow fear, uncertainty, and doubt about COVID nearly nine months after it became a thing in the US.
Not only do they lack the critical thinking to perform risk analysis, they also lack the fortitude to make tough decisions -- especially when the right decision may mean do something they might normally dislike. For example, many people believe it's important to respect life. However, there are instances where saving lives means sacrificing some in the process. Many of these people would find it absolutely unacceptable to sacrifice even one life if it meant saving many more in the process, even if it meant their decision led to more deaths than there would be had the sacrifice took place.
I agree with @verissimus that the left opened this particular Pandora's Box. Unfortunately, I doubt they will accept this with open arms as they did CHAZ, CHOP, and related variants elsewhere. I still recall Democrats and others on the left REEing after Trump made a shitpost type comment about people going out to protest as a way to avoid wearing masks and other restrictions because that was what the Democratic-controlled areas were implying with their hands-off approach to protestors less than six feet (2 m) apart from each and not wearing masks during a time when liberals were freaking out over a potential second wave if people didn't wear their masks and things opened up too quickly.
Here in Michigan, the news reported slightly over 17k new cases statewide over the past 48 hours. Everyone seeing that number will likely panic and overlook the fact that there were only 170 deaths over the same time period -- a figure that's barely 1% of the new case total. Nobody is digging deeper to see what becomes of the other 99% of the cases. How many were potentially-false positives? How many will go on to make full recoveries or recover with some sort of after/side effects? Those are probably more important metrics than the raw case totals.
I won't be surprised if Biden wants to impose some sort of national mask regulation or lockdown. However, he may learn the hard way -- just like Trump did -- that what he wants and what will stand up to legal challenges may be two different things because there may be a Constitutional question as to whether such a national order by Biden would conflict with states rights.
Also, normies remember the goalpost moving that took place this past spring when it came to imposting restrictions that were extended for seveeral months in many places. As a result, restrictions imposed this month have been less popular. I'd expect more push-back if restrictions continue through Christmas and beyond.
"This information came from Andy who heard it on the radio today. Some reference was made (...)" -- This sounds suspiciously like one of those stories where someone claims "My girl friend's mother's brother's plumber's dog walker heard X, so it must be true." Statements such as these break my BS meter.This was posted in my apartment building:
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I don't believe either are true. Most people are willing to let small things slide, in their normal lives, provided they're not in a foul mood and aren't willing to take another slight; however those same people might not feel the same way with small "mishaps" when it comes to politics. Then you have another group of people that apparently are the opposite. They're vindictive as hell in private but seem content not to raise a fuss when the government makes a mistake. Those people are the problem.
The Governor has made his decision. Now let him enforce it.
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God i can't wait till this insanity ends. To quote akechi:"I refuse to accept a reality concocted by someone else, stuck under their control for the rest of my days.
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And they aren't any different than the other human coronaviruses we deal with. If you bother to look them up.
This whole deal where we treat this like it is some alien germ from the unknown that is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT needs to fucking stop. It has like one or two things different. Max. It kills old people and fatties because it spent all it's skill points maxing out respiratory ailments. But it has fuck all beyond that. It passes through society like a cold.
This. That whole "one man dies so that others may live" deal. They can't process it. The very idea of acceptable loss with human life is too terrible to even begin to accept. So we sit paralyzed with fear waiting for some miracle and/or parental figure to declare it over.
Even though we do this balancing act all the time and is basically NBD for most risky type operations. Ever run a Hi-Lift jack? They have a warning cast into the metal on the side. It says pretty much "using this as intended may kill you." People who deal with them on a regular basis generally get what is up. They are familiar with how doing normal shit but also facing a risk of death or serious bodily harm works. We don't need to have a discussion about it.
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In Britbongistan:
1,300 people told they had to self isolate because of a fuck up by the lab monkeys (No offence to anyone here who works in a lab, BTW). They say it was because of "the chemicals" used, so I'd hazard a guess at this being the primers or something, I'm not entirely sure.
Additionally, we've been told that we're looking at shit being like this until April of next year (I'm not kidding. April. When they said Easter, we all thought you know, the one just gone. Various Conservative (the party in Gov) MPs are getting fucked off with it (link is here) and they're also talking about making the pork orcs - those with 40+BMIs - "be offered" the vaccine first. Given fat makes you stupid and fats know it's a death sentence for them (the virus I mean) and are suitably scared, I can actually get behind this.
I've been house checking for friends this week, popping in, feeding the cats, watering the plants, etc. They have a home gym, and when I first stopped in earlier this week, I found a beautiful note from them with £50, saying "guest room is made up, and the bathroom is clean. If you need a change of scene, feel free to stop over a couple of nights and use the bathtub (smaller one in my home, He recently did a beautiful refurb of theirs, massive, gorgeous corner tub). Buy yourself dinner/wine and use the home gym if you like".
I actually fucking wept like an infant. I cannot wait until the gyms reopen next week. Edited to say: I know that's OT, but that's my good news for the week.
Further edit cos nobody likes a Debbie Doubleposter: @ColtWalker1847 Also, I think they learn to check for stuff too. As in, you maintain your jack, look after it. Dunno about you but I have various tools and bits and bats for my home, and it's almost like after a long time of use, you get to know it, how it works, it's quirks and stuff, and you know what is and is not right for that bit of equipment. And you adjust and plan accordingly, you know? It's not rocket science.
I see all This Fucking Mess as the perfect storm of years of compensation culture, oppression points, and at this point, several generations of kids raised by parents who never learned to say "no" or "no more TV, get the fuck outside and exercise". And then you've got the people who never, ever bothered to teach their kids about death in a healthy way. You know, the kind who replaced goldfish and gerbils every time they snuffed it for their own convenience because god forbid they square up to the tears and upset (and I'm not judging kids for that, losing your first pet is horrible at the time) and have an age appropriate conversation with their kids about Adult Things and Deep Stuff.
1,300 people told they had to self isolate because of a fuck up by the lab monkeys (No offence to anyone here who works in a lab, BTW). They say it was because of "the chemicals" used, so I'd hazard a guess at this being the primers or something, I'm not entirely sure.
Additionally, we've been told that we're looking at shit being like this until April of next year (I'm not kidding. April. When they said Easter, we all thought you know, the one just gone. Various Conservative (the party in Gov) MPs are getting fucked off with it (link is here) and they're also talking about making the pork orcs - those with 40+BMIs - "be offered" the vaccine first. Given fat makes you stupid and fats know it's a death sentence for them (the virus I mean) and are suitably scared, I can actually get behind this.
I've been house checking for friends this week, popping in, feeding the cats, watering the plants, etc. They have a home gym, and when I first stopped in earlier this week, I found a beautiful note from them with £50, saying "guest room is made up, and the bathroom is clean. If you need a change of scene, feel free to stop over a couple of nights and use the bathtub (smaller one in my home, He recently did a beautiful refurb of theirs, massive, gorgeous corner tub). Buy yourself dinner/wine and use the home gym if you like".
I actually fucking wept like an infant. I cannot wait until the gyms reopen next week. Edited to say: I know that's OT, but that's my good news for the week.
Further edit cos nobody likes a Debbie Doubleposter: @ColtWalker1847 Also, I think they learn to check for stuff too. As in, you maintain your jack, look after it. Dunno about you but I have various tools and bits and bats for my home, and it's almost like after a long time of use, you get to know it, how it works, it's quirks and stuff, and you know what is and is not right for that bit of equipment. And you adjust and plan accordingly, you know? It's not rocket science.
I see all This Fucking Mess as the perfect storm of years of compensation culture, oppression points, and at this point, several generations of kids raised by parents who never learned to say "no" or "no more TV, get the fuck outside and exercise". And then you've got the people who never, ever bothered to teach their kids about death in a healthy way. You know, the kind who replaced goldfish and gerbils every time they snuffed it for their own convenience because god forbid they square up to the tears and upset (and I'm not judging kids for that, losing your first pet is horrible at the time) and have an age appropriate conversation with their kids about Adult Things and Deep Stuff.
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Actually they don't. There are clear instructions cast deeply into them saying "do not oil" because doing that causes the mechanism to stick open and flow too freely. Hi-Lifts are a wonderful bit of that scary old tech before safety was invented. But it works in a way that the other stuff doesn't so we keep it around. No way anything like it gets past the post of consumer safety nowadays.
That's why I used them as an example. They are very weird. Very unsafe. But very useful.
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aah, my mistake, I stand corrected! I don't drive, personally (Well, I can, no licence because Reasons, No1Curr) but it's been a really long time since I did as well.
That's really interesting to know though. DOes that mean they're like irreperable? As in once they stop working, they go in the bin? Or are they a thing that can be fixed? There's been a lot of debate over here about the throwaway nature of everything, and it's sort of been highlighted cos of people staying at home, realising they hate their lives and ordering attention - sorry, shit and tat off Amazon - to try and fill the cavernous void in their lives. The refuse collecters here were running at about 80% of their post Christmas capacity (IE, way over average) back in April because of people being good little BezosBots and buying ALL the shit.
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Hi-Lifts are what can best be described as "brute simple" with no frills. Old school. I just leave mine in the yard or in the back of a 4x4 out in the elements until I need them. They are a rusty shitmess of a farm tool. But they can do everything. They can lift. They can stretch. They can press. They can hoist. The only limit is your bravery. It is on you to know you are doing something sketchy and call it off. Not them. They cast the warning on the side.
I love them.
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But there's ALWAYS a "dramatic spike in cases!" and "THE SECOND WAVE IS COMING!" every single day, haven't you been watching CNN?
Everything has warnings like that on it and it pretty much just gets ignored as part of the background noise since basically no one ever dies from cleaning chemicals or Kinder Surprise Eggs or whatever. I believe there's all sorts of studies on warning labels and how most people don't care. Yet the warnings are true, because it literally can kill you. Cars are the probably the best example of this since they're significantly more dangerous, are full of warning labels, yet people don't care, and predictably, car accidents are the leading cause of death from age 1 to age 40 in most developed countries. If you're under 80 and have a BMI of less than 40, you are far, far, far more likely to die in a car wreck than you are to die of COVID-19 (funny enough, traffic deaths in my state are noticeably up this year compared to last year despite there being almost no traffic in April or May, maybe everyone's just DUI from the misery of 2020 or using the emptier roads to go racing, who knows).
They say lockdowns are for "public health" and "saving lives" despite the inconvenience yet if they banned cars half the week and the rest of the week banned them after dark and banned them from going faster than 55 MPH ("Can't Drive 55? You're literally killing people AND the planet!") then thousands of lives would be saved so you better support these perfectly reasonable restrictions or else you're a goddamn monster who just wants the economy to function instead of letting little kids live.
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Look, I get it. But you have to understand. The "no oil" thing is the least of your safety problems with a Hi-Lift jack. Nobody fully understands it's issues.
You learn all these little hearsay tips on the sly. Like you gotta flip the latch down when the pins are set before you try to work around it or else the handle will come up and split your skull. That doesn't even get into how unbalanced it gets at full extension. It's a widowmaker. When you run it you are shaking hands with danger. No joke. It is four feet of cast iron death if you are an idiot. And even if you aren't a mongoloid things are still sketchy. It is up to you how you play your hand.
Here's a helpful AvE video to express the danger.
Same deal here but with a megacold. It's a tough old school bastard and you just gotta adapt if you want to get things done. Learn how it works and move around it as best you can. There is no "safety" just a best place to crash and you hope you make it out of it with no uncool scars.
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This literally changes nothing about my life. We haven't been allowed to meet in groups since March, and what even is a cardroom? Closing the playgrounds seems like cruel and unnecessary punishment for the kids though.
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Le Coof: Really, REALLY loves taking out overweight people and people with Vit.D deficiencies.
LA local Government: Let's close down playgrounds and remove spaces for kids who might not have yards to run about, get exercise and sunshine.
Riiiigggghhhhhhhtttttyyyy-hooooooo.
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So was trying to cancel Halloween and now Christmas, I'm convinced our leaders want us as miserable as possible.
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They do and that is the plan: Get you as miserable and browbeaten as the possibly can, so by the time they unleash the vaccine on is all, you'll be begging for it.
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