Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Capsaicin Addict]

In other news, DC released a cover for a YA novel “I’m Not Dtarfire” with Darkfire reimagined as 3 feet tall and morbidly obese. Predictably, anti-SJW Twitter made fun of it. That Star Wars Girl posted a “fix” which prompted anti anti SJW Twitter to make fun of her. I don’t think artists should jump on these bandwagons unless they have a clear idea of what they’re trying to accomplish.View attachment 1766248

I'm still utterly mystified as to how this is supposed to attract ANY readers.

Yes, I know, it's not. It's 'look how awesome we are by making the daughter of Starfire and Nightwing a dumpy pear-shaped goth lesbian freakshow who looks like a goddamn angry dwarf.'

Amusingly, Dylan Fagan posted his own take on the idea, which was... well, I thought it was better, even if it looked a little silly.

At least this version doesn't look like a fucking sour-faced potato.

(Edit: I really should just upload the damn image...)

 

[Rupin]

I'm still utterly mystified as to how this is supposed to attract ANY readers.

Yes, I know, it's not. It's 'look how awesome we are by making the daughter of Starfire and Nightwing a dumpy pear-shaped goth lesbian freakshow who looks like a goddamn angry dwarf.'

Amusingly, Dylan Fagan posted his own take on the idea, which was... well, I thought it was better, even if it looked a little silly.

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At least this version doesn't look like a fucking sour-faced potato.

(Edit: I really should just upload the damn image...)

even Deviant Art level cringe is better than what DC put out. Damn...

 

[Capsaicin Addict]

even Deviant Art level cringe is better than what DC put out. Damn...

Art doesn't always have to be super realistic. Hellboy's art could look very strange at times. And yet, those books did quite well.

But, as usual, DC has decided to chase a phantom demographic...

 

[Rupin]

Art doesn't always have to be super realistic. Hellboy's art could look very strange at times. And yet, those books did quite well.

But, as usual, DC has decided to chase a phantom demographic...

yeah but at least Hellboy was readable. DC killed off any interest in the book right at the gate.

 

[jspit2.0]

Still working my through the recent Nassar Livestream.

I'm going to try to force my way through, but this one...woof. Some cringe on cringe. We'll see. I might just quit because Between Doug Tennaple and Vic there's allot of mooing.

 

[TESTEFY-HD]

LIAM GRAY UPDATE 12/05/2020 aka *LYAM GRAY*

As of 5:13am PST on 12/05/2020 Liam Gray has not lifted the strike on our channel.

He officially has lied (again) to the CG community.

 

[Odets]

=Gasp= See you fags being buddy-buddy with him again in a year or so after the next roster reshuffle.

 

[Mister Dongs]

Still working my through the recent Nassar Livestream.

I'm going to try to force my way through, but this one...woof. Some cringe on cringe. We'll see. I might just quit because Between Doug Tennaple and Vic there's allot of mooing.

I put some timestamps in the comments of the video, but it's a bit too long and disjointed to commit to writing up so I'll skip to the most salient bits. I left full timestamps in the comment section.

AFTERLIFE WITH NASSER #22 - BACK ON THE AIR

The first pertinent part of the stream was when Martina Markota joins at 3:17:00 after an absence of several months in the CG community to go hangout with Nasser. She gives us an update on Lady Alchemy promising at least one major lolsuit over the property with the original artist, kekistan memelord guru Maz/"Major Grubert". The details of the trainwreck of Martina's project aren't exactly fresh in anyone's memory, but the details were heavily written about here back at around page 750 (mid-March) for those curious. From what I'm able to gather, Martina's trademark on "Lady Alchemy" was only applicable to "entertainment services in the nature of live musical, dance and burlesque shows by a professional entertainer" and Maz is allegedly applying for a spite trademark on the depiction of Lady Alchemy in comics (although it has not come through).

Long story short: an aspiring "alt-right" comic creative team wanted in on Comicsgate in the beginning but saw what happened to Vox Day and Jon del Arroz and figured they'd use Martina Markota and her "Lady Alchemy" burlesque IP as a facade for their pre-made comic project. Depending on what you are inclined to believe, Martina was either willingly complicit in this at first or was led to believe this was her project when it was not. What matters is that in the process of trying to hide their involvement, they gave Markota actual legal and executive control over the project and she promptly fired them when they turned in shoddy art where the titular lead character was a side character in 'her own' graphic novel. Martina went on to spend the next year listlessly reading from art textbooks and not getting a new creative team together while the writer/artist spent the same time waging a PR war against her among the extremely influential groyper/catboy aficionado community instead of just trying to make another comic.

When's Lady Alchemy coming out? Beats the hell out of her.




Serendipitously, the other major happening on Nasser's stream was Jon del Arroz/@TheCosmicWarrior himself accepting an invite from Nasser for a one-on-one with Frog at 3:46:10. After a congenial 12 minute discussion about the state of politics in America, Frog broaches the subject of the state of relationships between JDA and himself. From Frog's perspective, JDA's fundamental nature as a troll and provocateur left him with a sense of fundamental insincerity about his real commitment to his professed hardline political positions and to Comicsgate. Jon's reply was that, with what he perceived as Frog's willingness to go with the flow and turn on him in the face of mob pressure, his impression of Frog was much the same. The tone of the conversation is much more dispassionate and detached compared to the similar dialog between Smiller and Frog.

As they go over the past two years of trashing each others' work and recriminations, neither is terribly interested in the minutae of their long shared history of sperging and gayops that comes with being in Comicsgate .Jon says that the Biden election and the grim portents it holds for all conservatives has motivated him to turn over a new leaf where he is simply no longer interested in fighting anyone who is "right-leaning and politically active" anymore; he considers Frog to meet those criteria and would therefore like to put aside any beefs if possible. Frog says he's glad to hear that, though he recalls JDA making similar vows in the past only to get in beefs with everyone around him in the past but that from his perspective, ultimately the two of them share the same enemies in the mainstream and that, whether ither of them like it or not, Jon is a part of this movement that is Comicsgate. While the two of them may disagree with what they want out of it (constructivist versus political reactionary), what Frog would like is if they could simply cordially agree to disagree and that JDA rejoin the community. Jon accepts the offer and then leaves to watch the Mandalorian.

 

[Analog Devolved]

@FROG I don't know how often you plan on using the work van but you should consider the Nissan NV-200 compact commercial. It's 10k dollars cheaper than the Mercedes Sprinter and the Ford E series cargo vans.

It will also be easier to park in your driveway and has a lower clearance.

The Sprinter and Ford E-series are both beastly vehicles that will easily go 100k miles before needing any serious repairs but their price point may be a little high just to drive between your house and the Marlton post office [and the Marlton pizza parlour].

 

[FROG]

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@FROG I don't know how often you plan on using the work van but you should consider the Nissan NV-200 compact commercial. It's 10k dollars cheaper than the Mercedes Sprinter and the Ford E series cargo vans.

It will also be easier to park in your driveway and has a lower clearance.

The Sprinter and Ford E-series are both beastly vehicles that will easily go 100k miles before needing any serious repairs but their price point may be a little high just to drive between your house and the Marlton post office [and the Marlton pizza parlour].

I looked at the Ford. I like Fords a lot. I drove my Explorer into the ground, and it saved my life when I had a collision in the snow once.

But I still preferred the Mercedes, and purchased it yesterday. It's in my driveway now. Thanks for the tip though.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

I just submitted 3 short stories for Cool Story Bro. Wish me luck, guys.

EDIT: congrats @FROG on defeating the evil.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

Serendipitously, the other major happening on Nasser's stream was Jon del Arroz/@TheCosmicWarrior himself accepting an invite from Nasser for a one-on-one with Frog at 3:46:10. After a congenial 12 minute discussion about the state of politics in America, Frog broaches the subject of the state of relationships between JDA and himself. From Frog's perspective, JDA's fundamental nature as a troll and provocateur left him with a sense of fundamental insincerity about his real commitment to his professed hardline political positions and to Comicsgate. Jon's reply was that, with what he perceived as Frog's willingness to go with the flow and turn on him in the face of mob pressure, his impression of Frog was much the same. The tone of the conversation is much more dispassionate and detached compared to the similar dialog between Smiller and Frog.

As they go over the past two years of trashing each others' work and recriminations, neither is terribly interested in the minutae of their long shared history of sperging and gayops that comes with being in Comicsgate .Jon says that the Biden election and the grim portents it holds for all conservatives has motivated him to turn over a new leaf where he is simply no longer interested in fighting anyone who is "right-leaning and politically active" anymore; he considers Frog to meet those criteria and would therefore like to put aside any beefs if possible. Frog says he's glad to hear that, though he recalls JDA making similar vows in the past only to get in beefs with everyone around him in the past but that from his perspective, ultimately the two of them share the same enemies in the mainstream and that, whether ither of them like it or not, Jon is a part of this movement that is Comicsgate. While the two of them may disagree with what they want out of it (constructivist versus political reactionary), what Frog would like is if they could simply cordially agree to disagree and that JDA rejoin the community. Jon accepts the offer and then leaves to watch the Mandalorian.

I wish the actual news reported this accurately and without bias. We might not have a stolen election.

Was fun times. And that's what we all should be about -- fun and transforming the culture. The alternative is I Am Not Starfire, a world where everyone is a miserable they/them fat goth.

 

[Rupin]

I just submitted 3 short stories for Cool Story Bro. Wish me luck, guys.

EDIT: congrats @FROG on defeating the evil.
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Get the Spawn artist to draw it if you get a submission accepted.

 

[Newman's Own]

congrats @FROG on defeating the evil.

That is impressive. Ethan has managed to pass TenNaple's KS funds raised with half as many backers.

Ethan is a far more efficient dairy farmer than Doug. He certainly knows how to milk a cow.

The interesting thing is that your method of campaign more closely approximates Doug's method than Ethan's.

Ethan has a model of compounding his success in a campaign by selling more add ons. Toys, lunch boxes, bonus books and other items that add value and inflate individual backer expenditure work great on Ethan's rabid base who salivate at any opportunity to throw money at him.

It's impressive.

Doug has a less profitable model where he adds value mostly at his own expense continuously upgrading the quality of his product and adding things like bonus books for free. Of course there is a difference between Doug's customer base and Ethan's. Doug's customer base has far less whales waiting anxiously to give him money just because he is Doug.

Most of Ethan's customers are paying tribute to Ethan, paying for his YouTube entertainment and supporting Ethan's "activism" against the ess-jay-dublews when they back his campaigns more than they are purchasing his competent but less than impressive comic book.

Doug actively stepped away from that type of backer (though he still retains a few) and his profit per customer reflects this. Doug's books full of competent art and high quality story telling are his main selling point. Ethan's impressively flashy art and sub-par story telling aren't what his supporters support him for.

Unless you develop the ability to create a cult of personality around yourself like Ethan has following Ethan's method of squeezing every last bit of tribute out of devout pay piggies isn't going to work for you.

You might do better to focus on adding value for free when you hit stretch goals like Doug because no one is going to switch from "kick Nasser" to "hail Nasser, take my money" anytime soon unless you get a personality transplant. Then again if you can hypnotize Mr Bigguns maybe you can add a couple extra grand to your total. Ask FROG to put in a good word for you.

Good luck Nasser.

 

[jspit2.0]

I wish the actual news reported this accurately and without bias. We might not have a stolen election.

I just, there are no words...

We've come full circle from 2016 in four years.

Was fun times. And that's what we all should be about -- fun and transforming the culture. The alternative is I Am Not Starfire, a world where everyone is a miserable they/them fat goth.

Sigh.

 

[FROG]

That is impressive. Ethan has managed to pass TenNaple's KS funds raised with half as many backers.

Ethan is a far more efficient dairy farmer than Doug. He certainly knows how to milk a cow.

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The interesting thing is that your method of campaign more closely approximates Doug's method than Ethan's.

Ethan has a model of compounding his success in a campaign by selling more add ons. Toys, lunch boxes, bonus books and other items that add value and inflate individual backer expenditure work great on Ethan's rabid base who salivate at any opportunity to throw money at him.

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It's impressive.

Doug has a less profitable model where he adds value mostly at his own expense continuously upgrading the quality of his product and adding things like bonus books for free. Of course there is a difference between Doug's customer base and Ethan's. Doug's customer base has far less whales waiting anxiously to give him money just because he is Doug.

Most of Ethan's customers are paying tribute to Ethan, paying for his YouTube entertainment and supporting Ethan's "activism" against the ess-jay-dublews when they back his campaigns more than they are purchasing his competent but less than impressive comic book.

Doug actively stepped away from that type of backer (though he still retains a few) and his profit per customer reflects this. Doug's books full of competent art and high quality story telling are his main selling point. Ethan's impressively flashy art and sub-par story telling aren't what his supporters support him for.

Unless you develop the ability to create a cult of personality around yourself like Ethan has following Ethan's method of squeezing every last bit of tribute out of devout pay piggies isn't going to work for you.

You might do better to focus on adding value for free when you hit stretch goals like Doug because no one is going to switch from "kick Nasser" to "hail Nasser, take my money" anytime soon unless you get a personality transplant. Then again if you can hypnotize Mr Bigguns maybe you can add a couple extra grand to your total. Ask FROG to put in a good word for you.

Good luck Nasser.

Doug's hired some pretty good Sour Grapes farmers. Nice work.

The truth is that Doug's stuff is tired. He's a one trick pony, giving his backers High School Year Book level productions with stories about Homer Simpson as either a worm or a Bigfoot, filled with Disney Tween LOL So Random bullshit humor. And worst, Doug is such a repellant human being that he's driven away 2/3rds of his backers, and had to supplement this failed sequel with a new "leather bound" edition of the first book.

If Doug gave away his profits with bonuses, nobody cared. Nobody thanked him by returning for the next two campaigns.

People were amused to back the first book. But there's no story. It's a gag strip video game property. If you like the art, that's nice. It's fairly rote, simplistic brush cartooning. Nothing unique or special. Disposable shit.

It'll continue to plummet from here, and Doug will be right back to where he started from when he cried to me in a FB message. But you and VikkiVerse can continue to cheer him on!

Meanwhile, I've surpassed his earnings with half of the backers in one tenth of the time. In other words, people actually LIKED my last few campaigns, and don't want to miss anything from this new one.

REIGNBOW THE BRUTE is an entirely new property, bearing no relationship to CYBERFROG. And it's still doing great.

I add free books and free toys to my campaigns as they do better and better. I'm guessing Nasser would do the same thing if he hit six figures. And Nasser probably will hit six figures with ComicsGate.

Finally, I'm an Eisner award nominated storyteller, and people are anxious to read the second part of my story. CYBERFROG is a hit. It's obvious. The back issues are selling like crazy on eBay for exorbitant prices... From other eBay sellers. That's proof of concept. Not fans throwing money at me to pwn the SJWs, people actually WANT TO COLLECT CYBERFROG COMICS.

That's what I've built. Maybe I got it started with my excellent Cult Leader charm, but it's real. Keep crying for Doug, though. I love watching all of this.

 

[Newman's Own]

Doug's hired some pretty good Sour Grapes farmers. Nice work.

The truth is that Doug's stuff is tired. He's a one trick pony, giving his backers High School Year Book level productions with stories about Homer Simpson as either a worm or a Bigfoot, filled with Disney Tween LOL So Random bullshit humor. And worst, Doug is such a repellant human being that he's driven away 2/3rds of his backers, and had to supplement this failed sequel with a new "leather bound" edition of the first book.

If Doug gave away his profits with bonuses, nobody cared. Nobody thanked him by returning for the next two campaigns.

People were amused to back the first book. But there's no story. It's a gag strip video game property. If you like the art, that's nice. It's fairly rote, simplistic brush cartooning. Nothing unique or special. Disposable shit.

It'll continue to plummet from here, and Doug will be right back to where he started from when he cried to me in a FB message. But you and VikkiVerse can continue to cheer him on!

Meanwhile, I've surpassed his earnings with half of the backers in one tenth of the time. In other words, people actually LIKED my last few campaigns, and don't want to miss anything from this new one.

REIGNBOW THE BRUTE is an entirely new property, bearing no relationship to CYBERFROG. And it's still doing great.

I add free books and free toys to my campaigns as they do better and better. I'm guessing Nasser would do the same thing if he hit six figures. And Nasser probably will hit six figures with ComicsGate.

Finally, I'm an Eisner award nominated storyteller, and people are anxious to read the second part of my story. CYBERFROG is a hit. It's obvious. The back issues are selling like crazy on eBay for exorbitant prices... From other eBay sellers. That's proof of concept. Not fans throwing money at me to pwn the SJWs, people actually WANT TO COLLECT CYBERFROG COMICS.

That's what I've built. Maybe I got it started with my excellent Cult Leader charm, but it's real. Keep crying for Doug, though. I love watching all of this.

The level of bitterness in your post is off the charts.

Give it up. TenNaple isn't going to go for "pizza" with you.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

Doug's hired some pretty good Sour Grapes farmers. Nice work.

The truth is that Doug's stuff is tired. He's a one trick pony, giving his backers High School Year Book level productions with stories about Homer Simpson as either a worm or a Bigfoot, filled with Disney Tween LOL So Random bullshit humor. And worst, Doug is such a repellant human being that he's driven away 2/3rds of his backers, and had to supplement this failed sequel with a new "leather bound" edition of the first book.

If Doug gave away his profits with bonuses, nobody cared. Nobody thanked him by returning for the next two campaigns.

People were amused to back the first book. But there's no story. It's a gag strip video game property. If you like the art, that's nice. It's fairly rote, simplistic brush cartooning. Nothing unique or special. Disposable shit.

Is Doug running on nostalgia for his Earthworm Jim books? Yes, he is.
Is he providing quality presentation of his work? Yes, he is.
I actually enjoyed Doug's vlogs about each step of production of the first Earthworm Jim book. Quality content that shows the audience (especially the backers) what exactly they'd be getting.
He has his model, you have yours.

On an unrelated note, have you talked to Richard Meyer about releasing an Omnibus of his pre-ComicsGate works by 2027, the 20th anniversary of his comic debut?

 

[Rupin]

The level of bitterness in your post is off the charts.

Give it up. TenNaple isn't going to go for "pizza" with you.

Kinda hard to be bitter when all of his campaigns constantly shit on Doug's.

 

[FROG]

On an unrelated note, have you talked to Richard Meyer about releasing an Omnibus of his pre-ComicsGate works by 2027, the 20th anniversary of his comic debut?

Zack is putting THE EXPENDABLES together right now, and it's taking all of his focus. But I did talk to him about the success I had in repackaging my old stuff, and suggested he do the same thing.

He agreed. I think he'll do it. He's just got to clear the decks a little.

Kinda hard to be bitter when all of his campaigns constantly shit on Doug's.

I'm feeling pretty great about beating Doug in every possible way while his fans REEEEE at me.

The bitterness is coming from them. I'm delighted.