SJW Art and Extremes

[Hummingbird]

I'm convinced the whole thing has grown from personal insecurity on the part of many wannabe "feminists". One of the arguments they present against so-called "sexual objectification" is that it makes women feel bad about their bodies (at least if the female characters in art have idealized, in-shape figures). Juxtapose that with the increasing popularity of fat-acceptance ideology in feminist circles, and the picture I get is that they'd rather have "conventional beauty standards" rewritten to convenience them personally than get themselves in shape.

Unfortunately, with today's obesity pandemic, I don't think they are going away anytime soon.

That could also explain why they're so obsessed with the body being covered as much as possible.

 

[pickledance]

I'm convinced the whole thing has grown from personal insecurity on the part of many wannabe "feminists". One of the arguments they present against so-called "sexual objectification" is that it makes women feel bad about their bodies (at least if the female characters in art have idealized, in-shape figures). Juxtapose that with the increasing popularity of fat-acceptance ideology in feminist circles, and the picture I get is that they'd rather have "conventional beauty standards" rewritten to convenience them personally than get themselves in shape.

Unfortunately, with today's obesity pandemic, I don't think they are going away anytime soon.

That's honestly part of what I never got. For me if I draw sexualized women it's on my own terms as a bi lady. It's my fantasy I'm making for myself and if others like it then cool, if not then cool.

When fembros and bad feminists come at me for sexualizing women it's pretty laughable, they rage on about how a sexual fantasy involving a woman in the wrong way is sexist yet sexualized men are "male power fantasies" and acceptable.

They absolutely ignore the fact that there are women like me getting off to and at times making a living off drawing what they see as male fantasies and that in itself is a sexist assumption.

 

[c-no]

They absolutely ignore the fact that there are women like me getting off to and at times making a living off drawing what they see as male fantasies and that in itself is a sexist assumption.

Considering that there are bisexual and lesbian women that would get off to what SJWs see as male fantasy, it is easy for SJW to just exclude the females into it or shame them as "internalized misogynist" of the Patriarchy.

If a sexualized man is a male power fantasy, why can't we have a female power fantasy of sexualized women aside from SJW's trying to act as some sort of gatekeepr?

 

[pickledance]

Considering that there are bisexual and lesbian women that would get off to what SJWs see as male fantasy, it is easy for SJW to just exclude the females into it or shame them as "internalized misogynist" of the Patriarchy.

If a sexualized man is a male power fantasy, why can't we have a female power fantasy of sexualized women aside from SJW's trying to act as some sort of gatekeepr?

For all their talk of not shaming sexualities, I've honestly never been more shamed for mine than by feminists and sjws. I've been accused of pandering to men, of being a sell out when I do sell work like that and of being anti-woman, all for drawing what I like as a woman.

 

[Ho Mo for Women]

They absolutely ignore the fact that there are women like me getting off to and at times making a living off drawing what they see as male fantasies and that in itself is a sexist assumption.

They assume that the only people who would find those characters attractive are heterosexual men. To use one of their beloved Tumblrisms, wouldn't that be "heterosexist"?

 

[TyrannoNinja]

For all their talk of not shaming sexualities, I've honestly never been more shamed for mine than by feminists and sjws. I've been accused of pandering to men, of being a sell out when I do sell work like that and of being anti-woman, all for drawing what I like as a woman.

They sound like they have a lot of straight privilege to check. And moments like that are some of the most delicious when it comes to SJWs.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

They assume that the only people who would find those characters attractive are heterosexual men. To use one of their beloved Tumblrisms, wouldn't that be "heterosexist"?

But you can't be sexist against white cis males. Tumblr said so!

 

[MiloWuCollusion]

I honestly have no issue with the boots, those aren't even high as far as heels go. I could see the open shirt as being a bit wtf, but this isn't exactly unexpected and still way classier than some other designs. It's easier to overlook knowing what little I do of the lore being that whitchers tend to loss emotion and just not give a fuck and hell if I'd bother with buttons either in that position.

SpergyMode and kind off topic : Ciri doesn't have mutations (as no one in Kaer Morhan neither knew or wanted to do the Trial of Grasses) and Witchers doesn't become completely emotionless (as Lambert constant bitching can demonstrate). Still, given Ciri background I can totally see her just wanting to piss stiff people off.

 

[Meowthkip]

And she was kind of full of shit about that, too. Look at her critique of that one episode of the Powerpuff Girls about feminism.

Honestly, this is one of our foremost cultural critics these days? This is who we have to measure up against the likes of Gilbert Seldes?... Our culture has deevolved.

Yeah, seeing her interpretation of that immediately made me dislike her. That and her referring to pregnancy as "beautiful" when complaining about it being portrayed in science fiction as I feel it is; fucking horrifying.

IIRC, she doesn't like it now simply because she said it wasn't fun enough. But yeah, she has gotten more extreme. Shirtgate was quite an infamous event to show how she has, she would never be quiet about it.

Shirtgate was weird. On one hand, the dude probably shouldn't have worn that shirt at work when he'd be on television, but nobody thought to tell him to change. On the other, I don't begrudge him for wearing a shirt with sexy ladies on it, but if i worked there, I would want to be able to wear this shirt:

Spoiler

I would say Anita, but we all know she never actually played the game before naming her a 'fighting fuck toy'.

Just the term "fighting fuck toy" irks me. A woman cannot be pretty and also good at kicking ass, lest she be there solely for men to ogle.

I dunno, you guys, that's pretty offensive. I'm pretty sure there are women who want to beat the shit out of people and look pretty while doing it, so why all the focus on how men perceive it?

I'm convinced the whole thing has grown from personal insecurity on the part of many wannabe "feminists". One of the arguments they present against so-called "sexual objectification" is that it makes women feel bad about their bodies (at least if the female characters in art have idealized, in-shape figures). Juxtapose that with the increasing popularity of fat-acceptance ideology in feminist circles, and the picture I get is that they'd rather have "conventional beauty standards" rewritten to convenience them personally than get themselves in shape.

Unfortunately, with today's obesity pandemic, I don't think they are going away anytime soon.

Probably. Though I'm certainly not opposed to more diverse body types in the vidya, though, but that's why games that allow you to customize your player character are great. You can be literally any shape or color you want! Hot damn!

Like, outside of a very quirky, cartoony game like Fat Princess, I can't see there being much of a market for games with fat, female main characters, since a lot of video games involve a lot of running, jumping, climbing, shooting, and other physical activity. The closest might be a really beefy girl with some fat cushioning, but even then she'd have to move slowly, and would probably be one of many characters to choose to play as.

That's honestly part of what I never got. For me if I draw sexualized women it's on my own terms as a bi lady. It's my fantasy I'm making for myself and if others like it then cool, if not then cool.

When fembros and bad feminists come at me for sexualizing women it's pretty laughable, they rage on about how a sexual fantasy involving a woman in the wrong way is sexist yet sexualized men are "male power fantasies" and acceptable.

They absolutely ignore the fact that there are women like me getting off to and at times making a living off drawing what they see as male fantasies and that in itself is a sexist assumption.

Truth. It's like these people are obsessed with the male perspective. That doesn't seem very feminist to me.

They also tend to get upset when a very obviously sexualized male character is in a game (bishie looking dude, exposed chest with some outfit that looks like fetish gear, prominent bulge, what have you) because it's not the same as a female, and it doesn't make things even, because obviously when it's a man, it's just being played off as a joke, since obviously women wouldn't find these guys attractive, or it's not even because they're outweighed by sexy ladies, or some other complaint so that they don't have to be satisfied.

Like, there was some indie platformer that came out a few years ago that had you as a beefy male protagonist and gave you the option to rescue a damsel, a pretty boy or a dog. SJWs got upset that a woman could be switched out for a dog instead, and insisted the pretty boy option was a joke, and therefore didn't count to being a Good Game Developer. Oh, and of course rescuing a damsel at all is problematic.

 

[Gensdupays]

Hmm, I've always kind of like the inverted "Knight goes to rescue a princess, but it turns out the princess is mean and the person holding her hostage really isn't, so the knight saves them instead" joke plot. Like the whole "save the dragon from the evil/annoying princess" picture that is passed around. Of course you can't depict a female as being bad/annoying, no....

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Yeah, seeing her interpretation of that immediately made me dislike her. That and her referring to pregnancy as "beautiful" when complaining about it being portrayed in science fiction as I feel it is; fucking horrifying.

And that's why I'm glad I'm a man.

I guess having a progressive agenda is the one thing that gets people to support you even if you're full of shit. Just say what they want to hear and they'll wolf it all down and want more.

 

[Problematic Kawaii]

If any man anywhere could potentially find your female character physically attractive or she has a personality that doesn't have her being a Strong Tumblr Approved Woman as her main character trait, she's shit to these people.

God help you if you want a shy female character.

As we all know, all female characters need to be tumblr tested, Anita approved.

 

[Hummingbird]

The SJWs and third-wave feminists are already complaining about the way the main character in Horizon Zero Dawn looks, because she's a white woman wearing a Native American buckskin type outfit. Even if the game is set in a post-apocalyptic future, it's still cultural appropriation. That and how dare Aloy be lily white when the future would be full of mixed-race people and people of one racial heritage would stop existing.

 

[Ruin]

The SJWs and third-wave feminists are already complaining about the way the main character in Horizon Zero Dawn looks, because she's a white woman wearing a Native American buckskin type outfit. Even if the game is set in a post-apocalyptic future, it's still cultural appropriation. That and how dare Aloy be lily white when the future would be full of mixed-race people and people of one racial heritage would stop existing.

Isn't it also ridiculously racist to assume that all people of Native American descent run around in buckskins?

 

[Hummingbird]

Isn't it also ridiculously racist to assume that all people of Native American descent run around in buckskins?

They seem to be the most upset about white characters taking older aspects of a minority culture they helped ruin.

 

[AnOminous]

Isn't it also ridiculously racist to assume that all people of Native American descent run around in buckskins?

Or that all who run around with buckskins were always Native American.

 

[pickledance]

It's really funny they get all up on cultural appropriation on that one as if the Native craft trade isn't part of Native culture, and an amazing way to support reservations that are under funded in Canada. All while you also get something awesome out of it.

 

[Ho Mo for Women]

Here's some more terrible fanart from the Steven Universe fandom, with a little "before and after" to highlight how much Tumblrites utterly suck at drawing characters:

Spoiler: BEFORE

Spoiler: AFTER

You'll notice how Ruby has inexplicably gained twenty pounds and now looks like one of the Seven Dwarfs, and Sapphire now looks like a dude.

 

[Lucky Wildcard]

Here's some more terrible fanart from the Steven Universe fandom, with a little "before and after" to highlight how much Tumblrites utterly suck at drawing characters:

Spoiler: BEFORE

Spoiler: AFTER

You'll notice how Ruby has inexplicably gained twenty pounds and now looks like one of the Seven Dwarfs, and Sapphire now looks like a dude.

Eww... that looks so wrong...

 

[fishercat]

Here's some more terrible fanart from the Steven Universe fandom, with a little "before and after" to highlight how much Tumblrites utterly suck at drawing characters:

Spoiler: BEFORE

Spoiler: AFTER

You'll notice how Ruby has inexplicably gained twenty pounds and now looks like one of the Seven Dwarfs, and Sapphire now looks like a dude.

Ruby isn't even looking at Sapphire. She looks like she's rolling her eyes.

And those are the laziest hands and coloring I've ever seen this side of Dobson.