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An Alaskan health care worker with no history of allergies had an anaphylactic reaction to the Pfizer vaccine that was so severe she had to be placed in the ICU overnight.
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Safe and effective, lads. Safe and effective.
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Drug testing spergery incoming.

When you test drugs, or vaccines, you test several things but basically you’re looking at two main metrics:
1. Does it work?
2. Is it safe?

you can break those down further. ‘Does it work?’ Can mean a lot of different things. Some tests look at equivalent workingness but with a cheaper drug, and easier drug etc. So for example, there are anti clotting agents that are only as effective as warfarin but don’t need to be titrated all the time, or don’t interact with foodstuffs. You could even have a drug pass that doesn’t work as well as warfarin but was safer in terms of side effects.
Or you could have say a therapy that is very low efficacy but there is literally nothing else out there so it may as well be used (Milwaukee protocol for rabies for example.)
Then you’ve got ‘is it safe?’ And again that’s relative. A chemotherapy drug does damage, but versus a currently untreatable cancer that might be acceptable. If your drug is to treat headaches, obviously your bar for ‘safe’ is way higher.

so our mRNA vaccine. Does it work? I think yes it does. The data seems to show it significantly lowers the chances of death/serious illness from covid. The dataset is sufficient to show that because it’s a simpler question.
But is it safe? That’s a much much harder question to say yes to. Normally trials last many years partly to answer this question. Long term follow up is needed. Adverse events are collected and scrutinised. Samples are taken for exploratory work sometimes. Data on subsequent pregnancies. Data on where the stuff goes and what it does in the body and how it’s eliminated
What worries me is that almost none of this has been done. The feline Coronavirus vaccines and the sars vaccine (ferret model) both caused antibody dependent enhancement in animal tests. That has not been explored here becasue as far as I can see, they haven’t looked. Their patient pool was immune naive people.
Nobody has looked in detail at what happens as an immune response - there simply hasn’t been the time to do these analyses. There are some worrying patterns across trials as well. The Bell’s palsy, the transverse myelitis and the guillain barre syndrome events seen across vaccine types suggest to me that there are autoimmune nerve targeting events that need to be ruled out with corona vaccines as a broad class.

So is it effective? Yes. Is it safe? I don’t think we can say that by a long way. I hope it is, but watching closely.
 
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Question, if Covid cases are "skyrocketing" and we've all been wearing masks and in lockdown for nine months then why are we still wearing masks and locking down? It obviously doesn't work.
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Oh, that's because there are people who refuse to wear masks that are ruining it for the rest of us. If only people would wear masks, we would have defeated covid back in march like China and Australia (never mind that masks don't seem to make a lick of difference if you contract covid or not)
 
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Ruin said:
Question, if Covid cases are "skyrocketing" and we've all been wearing masks and in lockdown for nine months then why are we still wearing masks and locking down? It obviously doesn't work.
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"obviously it's because of those wyyyypipo 'murican drumpf nazi supporters who only care about muh freedoms and don't listen to the s c i e n c e you uneducated swine filth"
 
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Went out the house again today.

Came across some women. This one did the merry dance of 'who shall go out of the way' with a smile on her face. She just walked out the way and gave me a big big smile. God, women are so beautiful sometimes. They aren't all cunts.


As for getting the jab. I don't fucking think so. Got enough auto immune shit going on. I mean, I really would have to be shot before I get one. I mean, I really would end up killing someone and going to jail before I get one. Auto immune is shit. Feeling shit all the time is shit. I'm not going to fuck with that.

Having said all that I got a new doc and she's great. A real champ. I'm really lucky to have her. She is competent and she cares. See, it wasn't so hard was it?

Not gonna fed post, but also not going to be jabbed without consent. I got nothing to lose, so I'll be among the first to kick back. I will do what I have to do. I will do whatever it takes. I'll leave it at that.


It's so nice interacting with people when they don't play up. Was a woman buying a bottle of wine in the shop tonight and I got in her way. She just smiled, got out my way. Very nice easy nature.

I guess not all women are cunts. Wouldathunkit?



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This one is for the lady buying her wine in the shop:

 
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greengrilledcheese said:
The amount of idiots in the twitter post sucking China's dick is sickening:
https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1339568034374139908 (https://archive.vn/QAk3R)
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"They followed science." Science really is just a new religion, huh? "This guy in a lab coat told me that shoving a butt plug up my ass will stop my from dying of the Coof. Guess I gotta trust the science, and just shove it up there." There was an article I saw a while back from some scientist, who said what was happening with the Coof was unusual, in that, usually, Scientist A will make a statement. Scientist B will say "actually, that's wrong, here's my data..." and then Scientist C will say, "Hold on, my findings corroborate A's," and then Scientist D comes along and says "actually, you're both wrong, my studies show this other thing!" But with the Bat Flu, that discussion isn't happening. It's basically Saint Fauci saying something, and if you question what this one guy says, suddenly you're a piece of shit that wants people to die, and also ignore anybody with evidence that contradicts him.
 
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Otterly said:
Not good.
Drug testing spergery incoming.

When you test drugs, or vaccines, you test several things but basically you’re looking at two main metrics:
1. Does it work?
2. Is it safe?

you can break those down further. ‘Does it work?’ Can mean a lot of different things. Some tests look at equivalent workingness but with a cheaper drug, and easier drug etc. So for example, there are anti clotting agents that are only as effective as warfarin but don’t need to be titrated all the time, or don’t interact with foodstuffs. You could even have a drug pass that doesn’t work as well as warfarin but was safer in terms of side effects.
Or you could have say a therapy that is very low efficacy but there is literally nothing else out there so it may as well be used (Milwaukee protocol for rabies for example.)
Then you’ve got ‘is it safe?’ And again that’s relative. A chemotherapy drug does damage, but versus a currently untreatable cancer that might be acceptable. If your drug is to treat headaches, obviously your bar for ‘safe’ is way higher.

so our mRNA vaccine. Does it work? I think yes it does. The data seems to show it significantly lowers the chances of death/serious illness from covid. The dataset is sufficient to show that because it’s a simpler question.
But is it safe? That’s a much much harder question to say yes to. Normally trials last many years partly to answer this question. Long term follow up is needed. Adverse events are collected and scrutinised. Samples are taken for exploratory work sometimes. Data on subsequent pregnancies. Data on where the stuff goes and what it does in the body and how it’s eliminated
What worries me is that almost none of this has been done. The feline Coronavirus vaccines and the sars vaccine (ferret model) both caused antibody dependent enhancement in animal tests. That has not been explored here becasue as far as I can see, they haven’t looked. Their patient pool was immune naive people.
Nobody has looked in detail at what happens as an immune response - there simply hasn’t been the time to do these analyses. There are some worrying patterns across trials as well. The Bell’s palsy, the transverse myelitis and the guillain barre syndrome events seen across vaccine types suggest to me that there are autoimmune nerve targeting events that need to be ruled out with corona vaccines as a broad class.

So is it effective? Yes. Is it safe? I don’t think we can say that by a long way. I hope it is, but watching closely.
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Maybe in 20 years time there will be a global generation that is sterile, have faces all bent out of shape and are constantly ill through having fucked immune sytems?!?

Dad is due for vaccine, this weekend. One of the first in their neck of the woods and is going for it. I think he is just worn down from it all , and life in general, so no resistance offered.
It is a sad to have seen how my folks have changed through this. Back in the beginning of the summer they were kind of cautious , but could see things were not as bad as they could have been, so they carried on more or less as normal. All they binned, from normal life, was going to very crowded cafes/pubs. They also got meds delivered instead of fucking about going to the chemist. Roll on several months of fear and doom, in daily newspapers, and they have become very compliant citizens who parrot the drama.

Oh well. Just have to remember dad driving me around as a kid, as an excuse to listen to a cassette tape of Dark Side of the Moon, not knowing at the time that a mate of his had pot stashed up our unused chimney, and got me into Capricorn One. He wasn't a pothead or a flat-earther but he liked music and had some crazy mates. As an engineer he questioned things in life so allround he was based. Shame about the rage that was brewing in him all the time. Hey ho.
 
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Bakarina said:
Apparently covid-19 has surpassed cancer and heart disease as the leading cause of death in America. At least, according to Yahoo's headline.

I thought racism was deadlier than covid or is that no longer the case now that it's cold.
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Yahoo's full of shit. These numbers are from 18, but you'd need to go some to claim the ChiCom Flu kills more than heart disease/cancer.

FastStats

FastStats is an official application from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s (CDC) National Center for Health Statistics (NCHS) and puts access to topic-specific statistics at your fingertips.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov



A Reason article. My guess...we'll see a few bucks, better than nothing, but nowhere near what those out of work need.




Added: At least one Illinois county will not file criminal charges for violations of any of the "governor's" ChiCom Flu-related ukases. People have simply had enough of this bullshit. Expect to see much more of this.

www.thetelegraph.com

No criminal charges for violating Illinois COVID-19 orders

EDWARDSVILLE - Madison County State's Attorney Tom Haine on Thursday said his office will not file criminal charges against anyone violating COVID-19 executive orders issued by Gov. J.B. Pritzker. On Thursday, Haine released a two-page legal opinion analyzing the enforceability of the...
www.thetelegraph.com www.thetelegraph.com

 
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Get sickness with the down:
www.sciencemag.org

COVID-19 is 10 times deadlier for people with Down syndrome, raising calls for early vaccination

Extra chromosome carries key genes that may work against them
www.sciencemag.org www.sciencemag.org

COVID-19 is 10 times deadlier for people with Down syndrome, raising calls for early vaccination​

On 2 December, the United Kingdom’s Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation recommended prioritizing people with DS for speedy vaccination. But the more than 200,000 Americans with DS so far are not slated for early vaccination. Nor has the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) included DS in its list of conditions it says boost the risk for severe COVID-19.
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Inventor of the Telephone said:
Get sickness with the down:
www.sciencemag.org

COVID-19 is 10 times deadlier for people with Down syndrome, raising calls for early vaccination

Extra chromosome carries key genes that may work against them
www.sciencemag.org www.sciencemag.org

COVID-19 is 10 times deadlier for people with Down syndrome, raising calls for early vaccination​

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Aren't there countries out there that boast that they nearly eradicated trisomy-23 via abortion (along with a variety of other ailments like Cooley's anemia). Hell, mothers of potential down syndrome kids are pressured to abort in America (along with difficult pregnancies, single mothers, mothers whose age can cause complications, ect).

Those with trisomy-23 can be effected by illnesses differently compared to someone that doesn't have the genetic mutation so it doesn't surprise me that THIS is the route they're trying to take.
 
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