Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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I sure am glad we're trusting The Science... of gut feelings.

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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1342085152739090434 (https://archive.vn/pAKKG)

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How Much Herd Immunity Is Enough?​

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus.html (https://archive.vn/hKx1a)
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You're a fucking idiot if you listen to anything they're saying after they blatantly admit that they're lying to you and throwing out guesses.
Here are the different herd immunity thresholds.
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This "Trust the Science" BS reminds me of the "Cult of Reason" during the French Revolution - when they also closed churches.
How long until they make the leap from the Cult of Reason to the Cult of the Supreme Being? And who will be our crazed Robespierre?

Also, this may have been posted already but I'm amazed they didn't pull this earlier

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*** Covid Propaganda Example of the Day ***

HEADLINE: GERMANY REPORTS RECORD DEATHS
Meanwhile, excess mortality in Germany is BELOW the 5-year average, and SIGNIFICANTLY BELOW that seen during the 2017 and 2018 flu seasons.



Notice anything?


To the people complaining I am curious on what you are gonna do about any of this outside of bellyaching on the KF?
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Most everywhere I go I hear this same bellyaching - that is, appropriately critical, clear-headed bemoaning over the bullshit we are being forced to swallow.


facts, news, analysis.
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Trust 'The Science™'.


WHO Deletes Naturally Acquired Immunity from Its Website​

Maybe you have some sense that something fishy is going on? Same. If it’s not one thing, it’s another.

Coronavirus lived on surfaces until it didn’t. Masks didn’t work until they did, then they did not. There is asymptomatic transmission, except there isn’t. Lockdowns work to control the virus except they do not. All these people are sick without symptoms until, whoops, PCR tests are wildly inaccurate because they were never intended to be diagnostic tools. Everyone is in danger of the virus except they aren’t. It spreads in schools except it doesn’t.

On it goes. Daily. It’s no wonder that so many people have stopped believing anything that “public health authorities” say. In combination with governors and other autocrats doing their bidding, they set out to take away freedom and human rights and expected us to thank them for saving our lives. At some point this year (for me it was March 12) life began feeling like a dystopian novel of your choice.

Well, now I have another piece of evidence to add to the mile-high pile of fishy mess. The World Health Organization, for reasons unknown, has suddenly changed its definition of a core conception of immunology: herd immunity. Its discovery was one of the major achievements of 20th century science, gradually emerging in the 1920s and then becoming ever more refined throughout the 20th century.


Herd immunity is a fascinating observation that you can trace to biological reality or statistical probability theory, whichever you prefer. (It is certainly not a “strategy” so ignore any media source that describes it that way.) Herd immunity speaks directly, and with explanatory power, to the empirical observation that respiratory viruses are either widespread and mostly mild (common cold) or very severe and short-lived (Ebola).
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Does this logic mean anyone who said "vaccines are safe as long as they have passed all of our current testing standards" in 2019 is now an anti-vaxxer?
Anti-vaxxer is a term like racist, sexist, nazi, fascist. It has no practical meaning, it means you shut up now, because you're a racist nazi sexist fascist bigot anti-vaxxer. To be wary of drugs going into your body is smart. None are without side-effects or after-effects, none are safe for everyone, most are consistently unsafe for a large enough portion of the population that wariness should be the default.


is being pushed out on an unprecedented scale
For a disease that has been overhyped to an unprecedented crescendo of verifiably bogus hysteria this vaccine is being pushed extra hard. If this was a real pandemic with people dropping in the streets this would be an appropriate response, but its not. At worst its as bad as a bad flu season for most places. The common tests employed are so reliably inaccurate that we'll never know the true scope of the disease. The urgency behind this vaccine push should be a huge blinking, sironic red flag.
 
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We went to my Nan’s to drop off the Christmas presents and stayed for a little while. It was comfy af, although fuck knows why we can do this but not Boxing Day like before. I think my mom is probably more scared of getting snitched on by the neighbours at this point maybe?

My sister’s friends parents seem to have actually seen sense and are letting him stay over for Christmas now. A whole bunch of my sister’s mates are really bummed out since they were all working temp contracts at the same store that said they were gonna hire the 2-3 best workers at the end but then they turned around and said they weren’t hiring anybody so they’re all annoyed. I have a feeling the store is worried about a new hardcore lockdown happening so they don’t want to hire on any more retail workers that they’ll just have to put on furlough in a couple weeks.
 
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So does anyone still believe the coof is dangerous, or is the general consensus here it is just a mass hysteria event for the Great Reset/Lizards/Jews etc?
It can be dangerous - to a small minority of the population.
The general consensus is more of a mixed consensus that agrees with one or more of the following:
1) It's not dangerous enough to warrant lockdown/reduced capacity mandates/surveillance measures
2) Such measures don't work anyways
3) Even if the virus were that lethal (see smallpox, MERS, Typhoid, Bubonic Plague), it still wouldn't justify the measures

To the people complaining I am curious on what you are gonna do about any of this outside of bellyaching on the KF?
What are you going to do besides chimp on this thread?
i followed this thread when it was about facts, news, analysis. now it's just an anti-vaxxer blogpost
Because there is little new information about the virus, or what its doing.
Aside from the new supposed mutation out of the UK, everything new is just about government reactions and vaccine news.
 
The vaccine is a legitimate concern. The traditional vaccine of inoculation be it through a weakened version or a similar disease has been tested, tried, and improved through over 200 years. The target of the first vaccine, smallpox, took decades to get rid of on a world scale, and vaccines for other diseases go through months of testing before being released.

Instead, it's an entirely new type of vaccine that was only approved for human use a few months ago, the vaccine (with an efficacy that no one really knows about) is being pushed out on an unprecedented scale, yet we're being told to just shut up and "trust the experts", with the same sort of dogma reserved for cults and particularly intolerant strains of Christianity.
I am not against vaccines at all. Have all my vaccinations. Recently got flu and pneumonia vaccinations, got shingles vaccination last year. Am just against the ChiCom Flu vaccine. Plan to give it a year to see how it pans out. Have survived one life-threatening condition and looks like I've dodged another. No way in hell do I plan to be someone's guinea pig. And neither should you. They can go eat me.
 
calm down
I don't know how late it is, but Biden flat out said that 2021 will be more restrictive than 2020, which we pretty much knew but he flat out said "our worst days are AHEAD of us, not behind us."

Keep in mind, he says this as they are already rolling out the vaccine. So this vaccine will not mean a damn thing as far as reopening everything.

It’s official I get mine on the 29th before the crack of dawn.

One giant caveat of this vaccine is that you cannot have a positive test within 90 days of receiving the vaccine.

Wait a second. So they're NOT giving the vaccine to people that already have had COVID recently? That's the first I've heard of this.
 
"Covid deniers" pisses me off more than "anti-vaxxers" does as a false label. I acknowledge that Covid exists, I just don't think that it's killing everyone at such a high rate that we should all lock ourselves in vaults until 2277.
Strawmanning to a single label is a matter of course these days.
Do you have concerns about a relatively untested vaccine? You're an anti-vaxxer.
Do you think that there should be strong border controls? You're a nazi.
Do you think that we shouldn't inject hormones into children to prevent their bodies from developing normally? You're a transphobe.
Do you think that it's not worth ruining the lives of millions and that the coronavirus is not as deadly as first thought? You're a Covid Denier, you think it doesn't exist.
 
The groups most vulnerable to COVID are the same groups most vulnerable to the average flu or pneumonia.

But to suggest shutting society down "until" and fucking up the world economy isn't worth it to save people who would fall victim to pneumonia any other year means you're a conspiracy theorist and "anti science."
 
I sure am glad we're trusting The Science... of gut feelings.

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https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1342085152739090434 (https://archive.vn/pAKKG)

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How Much Herd Immunity Is Enough?​

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/24/health/herd-immunity-covid-coronavirus.html (https://archive.vn/hKx1a)
Excerpt:

You're a fucking idiot if you listen to anything they're saying after they blatantly admit that they're lying to you and throwing out guesses.
They know the public is onto them re: data so they are letting the mask (heh) slip about their ”feelings and thoughts” towards mandates instead. This is a full blown cult.
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Boy I sure give a shit what two apparatchiks "think", unfuckingbelievable, we're way off in soviet territory this year.

This really is the return of hard authoritarianism. The way these governments have behaved this year, the things the politicians say, their personal actions, the media becoming an apparatus of the state... it's the exact same thing. It's JUST LIKE some com-bloc shit, it's not Stalinism yet but it's definitely late-era Gorbachev bullshit at least.
 
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