US ATF Decision Could Lead to Biggest Gun Registration, Turn-in Effort in American History - Agency's vague AR-15 pistol standards could affect millions

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New guidance from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF) could put millions of Americans in legal jeopardy.

The ATF published a notice Thursday that could require millions of AR-15 pistols and similar firearms—which are designed with braces that strap on to a shooter's forearm—to be either registered, turned in, destroyed, or dismantled. But the standards laid out for determining the devices' legality, such as caliber or weight, provide no objective measures, and the agency said it may also use undisclosed factors to judge the legality of the devices.

The agency conceded in the notice that some pistol braces are legal and should not be subject to the registration or destruction requirement. It said, however, that it could not provide a blanket determination for which pistols, or braces with which they're often equipped, are legal and said it would have to examine each gun "on a case-by-case basis." That means owners of the vast majority of the estimated three to four million AR-15 pistols and similar firearms may have to register with the ATF.

Second Amendment advocates were up in arms over the proposed rule, saying the uncertain legal status could destroy several businesses that make pistol braces and harm the gun industry. Erich Pratt, senior vice president of Gun Owners of America (GOA), said the subjective nature of the guidance shows that the "ATF has gone off into the deep end."

"GOA will rally the grassroots to fight these regulations, and if they eventually go into effect, we will commence immediate legal action to protect gun owners," Pratt said in a statement.

The controversy stems from how federal law distinguishes between short-barrel rifles and shotguns, both of which must be registered and require a $200 tax stamp, and pistols that do not require either. The key component is whether a firearm is designed to be pressed against the shooter's shoulder. Since 2012, the ATF has classified several guns with braces designed to strap to a shooter's forearm as pistols. The agency's Boston field office called that interpretation into question in August after sending a cease and desist letter to one manufacturer. The agency ordered a review in October following intervention from the White House.

Neither the ATF nor the White House responded to a request for comment.

The notice said the agency plans to waive the $200 tax for those registering the affected firearms during a grace period to be announced later. The public has two weeks to offer comment on the ATF notice before it goes into effect.




I'm kinda pissed about this as I bought a ZPAP 92 and brought it to a gunsmith to have a brace fitted and now my gun is stuck in this gay limbo.
 

Only because they realize they don't have the clout right now to make it happen, not because they've realized it's wrong. Like how New York backs down every time the NRA says "see you in court" only to reintroduce the same gun-grab measures again, usually after the very next fresh tragedy, in the hopes they can get it done THIS TIME before anyone notices.
 
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Someone pointed out an under 5% compliance rate which is the best that could be hoped for would be embarrassing and dangerous so dont even try

All those state gun laws passed in the last ten years in states like NY, CT, NJ, CA etc. have basically been ignored by the residents of those states
 
Only because they realize they don't have the clout right now to make it happen, not because they've realized it's wrong. Like how New York backs down every time the NRA says "see you in court" only to reintroduce the same gun-grab measures again after the very next tragedy in the hopes they can get it done before anyone notices.
This guy FUCKS
 
lol, its a pistol, use it like one. Since its sucks as a pistol so get a tax stamp and make it a rifle. or learn how to work around a carbine. 10 seconds of thought made me realize ar pistols were going to get vanned back in 2012-14.

and loophole chasers is how you get stupid fucking designs for ars.

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and lol you cant do tactical reloads on them because they lock the mag release if the action is closed.
Those words are written by someone who has never lived in a cucked state, and has zero concept of the history of forcing the legislature to keep paring down what is allowed until it runs into Miller at 90 miles an hour.

It took CA a decade to try to deal with "off list lowers" after the initial floodgates were opened by a literal lolcow (and his significant competent legal help). A decade is a damn long time. You're posting the results as of 2018. It will probably take another decade to force the courts to tell CA they've conflicted with Miller and their shit is fucked. Welcome to the anti-gun strategy, pass the law and hope nobody challenges it. But force the legislature to keep putting ink to paper and eventually the courts come calling (see judge roof Korean telling CA its magazine ban is fucked which is probably another 4 years of legal wrangling at minimum).

Without loophole chasers you don't even GET a lawsuit. Much less case law. You have to force them to say "uh crap", repeatedly, and until you do so you can't even change how things work in states where voting regulations inevitably ensure democrat supermajorities. Again, let's remember that loophole chasers in CA ALONE resulted in a decade long period of "assault weapons" introduced into the ecosystem, and a flood of "repaired" hi-cap magazines into a state that strictly speaking prohibited both. Things have gotten worse for the moment, sure, but until things get to a point where the courts can't ignore it, you're fucked anyway.

Let us not forget that prior to the Off List Lower revolution in CA, the best we had was the Prince50 and the carbon15 sealed magwell, both of which are terrible and in my opinion no better than the way regulations currently are written for that hellhole as a result of that OLL revolution.

It bears repeating: it was ONLY loophole chasers that go us past that initial limitation, and the "consequence" a decade later is what the initial state of things was anyway.

I'll likely be dead before the courts find that CA is fucked with regards to the AWB on both Miller and Heller fronts, and that's fine, but lasting change is gradual and if you don't even chase it to begin with you won't ever get to it.
 
Just a friendly reminder that the whole point behind the Second Amendment was so that your average person could arm themselves comparably to any soldier in the standing army in the event that the government turned tyrannical and tried to use the army against the populace. So the fact that we have harsh restrictions and regulations against thins the military uses, including full-auto, short barreled rifles and shotguns, etc. is unconstitutional. Benjamin Franklin owned artillery pieces and left them to the Boston Militia during the Revolutionary War. Likewise, the fact that there is a federal agency like the ATF is unconstitutional. So long as a US citizen abides by the law, they should have the legal righr to own anything the military uses, including grenade launchers, full-auto firearms, modern fighter jets, etc.

Sadly the citizens of the United States have allowed anti-gun whackjobs to shift the narrative behind 2A from defense of life, liberty, property, and country to being about deer rifles and bird guns. Thankfully more and more people are waking up to the truth behind 2A and the importance of being able to defend yourself, your property, and your family. The 2020 shit show of COVID-19 and social unrest/race riots have put the anti-gun movement back decades.
 
Reminder that until the US Army formally adopted the Krag-Jorgensen as its new standard-issue longarm the average soldier was outgunned by every average Joe out there with a repeater... and all that did was establish parity (or not because the Krag-Jorgenson was shit, but that's a story for a different time).
 
I was looking forward to getting a grip of free tax stamps...
 
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