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There's a number of good tutorials on Youtube, but in my opinion the best way to learn is to simply read the modding wiki and emulate vanilla code. The code itself is not at all hard especially on a very basic level. Also, don't get disencouraged by the ones saying HoI4 is a dying game, go have a gander at the game's Steam Charts page. The sad fact is that HoI4 is the most popular and easily moddable games that focus on this era in history; Until HoI5 or some other competitor (I'm not aware of any myself) comes along, there's no real fear of people doing something like migrating back to HoI3.

By the by, it's completely feasible to make mods from HoI4 with a pirated version of the game, the only problem is if you want to publish it on the Steam Workshop, in which case you'll need to buy the base game. Otherwise you can always release it on ModDB or some such.

Oh, and I'm not just talking out of my ass here, I was in the TNO team for a couple of years. I can shed some light on any development questions you have, starting with the RK.Moskowien and India above.

TNO had for a long time chosen to tease focus trees that were whats called "skeleton trees"; The structure of the focus tree was done, but the focuses were dead, they had no content. You may have noticed that practically all focus trees teased more than a year before release never found their way ingame, because once someone got to work on them, they just redid the whole thing, or like in the case of RK.Moskowien, nobody ever got around to working on it. Matter of fact, there was at one point going to be development on RK.Moskowien, and I believe it was Panzer who began planning a "resettlement" mechanic. This raised a storm within the team as many did not agree with including what was essentially a genocide mechanic in the game, and in the end, Panzer was shot down by most of the team, and RK.Moskowien was dead in the water.

India is a different story. India's main developer, a person called Mupper, was kicked off from the team towards the end of development for the release build. Well, she (Pretty sure Mupper's a woman, but I've been burned before) pretty much signed her own death penalty in the end. You see, as some of you have already discovered, India was practically code-complete like half a year before release, I believe it was the first nation to be code-complete in fact. However, now we get to the reason India was cut; The code, for the most part, sucked dick, and there was practically no loc (Localization, the written text you see) work done for the nations. So, upon finally discovering this (TNO always had very weak quality control in place), the team decided to shelf India for post-release content, as it would simply be impossible to finish it in time for release. Well, naturally Mupper did not like seeing her baby getting effectively killed in front of her, so when the higher-ups of the dev team were telling her this, she effectively told them to eat shit, and she was gone from the team.

Many such cases! Another nation to face an almost similar fate was Japan. The Japan team had a number of team leaders during its development, most famously a person known as Morrina. Afterwards, many concluded he was in over his head, but it is what it is. Morrina very nearly crashed Japan completely, almost sharing India's fate, but this wasn't a matter of quality, it was a matter of lying. You see, team leaders were obligated to keep the main developers up-to-date on how their departments were progressing. Japan wasn't doing that hot, but Morrina chose to not enlighten the developers. So, when Japan was eventually reaching code-completion, someone noticed that not all was well with Japan; Once again, it was extremely lacking in the loc department, something you can see to this day in Japan's events. Morrina was questioned, the team was questioned, Morrina was removed, and soon this small bit of developer drama turned into personal drama as Morrina began circulating a claim that Panzer had blackmailed him into working on the mod, even though he did not want to. This was fun and all to follow, but in the end it turned out Morrina was once again lying.

The "shadow council" thing where a number of team member made a secret Discord server to act behind Panzer's back has been brought up here before; If memory serves, and I'm 95% sure it does, Morrina was the one who couldn't take the secrecy and ratted the server out to Panzer, managing to escape without punishment. This all happened months before he was fired of course.

Quite the wall of text, I know, but if you'd like to know more, feel free to ask.

To add a bit on Japan: the next japan team lead (a dude from singapore, forgot his username) decided that the best course of action was to more or less continue what Morrina did. It turned out to be an extremely bad decision, the code was completely unworkable and everything had to be torched. This set back Japan by several months and led to the cut of many path (including Sasakawa), the entire Dai Li crisis mechanic not working on release, the influence mechanic being non working, the diet being useless and more. Japan was even more of a snooze fest than the rest of the mod because the only thing that you could do was on click on the next focus.
 
There's a number of good tutorials on Youtube, but in my opinion the best way to learn is to simply read the modding wiki and emulate vanilla code. The code itself is not at all hard especially on a very basic level. Also, don't get disencouraged by the ones saying HoI4 is a dying game, go have a gander at the game's Steam Charts page. The sad fact is that HoI4 is the most popular and easily moddable games that focus on this era in history; Until HoI5 or some other competitor (I'm not aware of any myself) comes along, there's no real fear of people doing something like migrating back to HoI3.

By the by, it's completely feasible to make mods from HoI4 with a pirated version of the game, the only problem is if you want to publish it on the Steam Workshop, in which case you'll need to buy the base game. Otherwise you can always release it on ModDB or some such.

Oh, and I'm not just talking out of my ass here, I was in the TNO team for a couple of years. I can shed some light on any development questions you have, starting with the RK.Moskowien and India above.

TNO had for a long time chosen to tease focus trees that were whats called "skeleton trees"; The structure of the focus tree was done, but the focuses were dead, they had no content. You may have noticed that practically all focus trees teased more than a year before release never found their way ingame, because once someone got to work on them, they just redid the whole thing, or like in the case of RK.Moskowien, nobody ever got around to working on it. Matter of fact, there was at one point going to be development on RK.Moskowien, and I believe it was Panzer who began planning a "resettlement" mechanic. This raised a storm within the team as many did not agree with including what was essentially a genocide mechanic in the game, and in the end, Panzer was shot down by most of the team, and RK.Moskowien was dead in the water.

India is a different story. India's main developer, a person called Mupper, was kicked off from the team towards the end of development for the release build. Well, she (Pretty sure Mupper's a woman, but I've been burned before) pretty much signed her own death penalty in the end. You see, as some of you have already discovered, India was practically code-complete like half a year before release, I believe it was the first nation to be code-complete in fact. However, now we get to the reason India was cut; The code, for the most part, sucked dick, and there was practically no loc (Localization, the written text you see) work done for the nations. So, upon finally discovering this (TNO always had very weak quality control in place), the team decided to shelf India for post-release content, as it would simply be impossible to finish it in time for release. Well, naturally Mupper did not like seeing her baby getting effectively killed in front of her, so when the higher-ups of the dev team were telling her this, she effectively told them to eat shit, and she was gone from the team.

Many such cases! Another nation to face an almost similar fate was Japan. The Japan team had a number of team leaders during its development, most famously a person known as Morrina. Afterwards, many concluded he was in over his head, but it is what it is. Morrina very nearly crashed Japan completely, almost sharing India's fate, but this wasn't a matter of quality, it was a matter of lying. You see, team leaders were obligated to keep the main developers up-to-date on how their departments were progressing. Japan wasn't doing that hot, but Morrina chose to not enlighten the developers. So, when Japan was eventually reaching code-completion, someone noticed that not all was well with Japan; Once again, it was extremely lacking in the loc department, something you can see to this day in Japan's events. Morrina was questioned, the team was questioned, Morrina was removed, and soon this small bit of developer drama turned into personal drama as Morrina began circulating a claim that Panzer had blackmailed him into working on the mod, even though he did not want to. This was fun and all to follow, but in the end it turned out Morrina was once again lying.

The "shadow council" thing where a number of team member made a secret Discord server to act behind Panzer's back has been brought up here before; If memory serves, and I'm 95% sure it does, Morrina was the one who couldn't take the secrecy and ratted the server out to Panzer, managing to escape without punishment. This all happened months before he was fired of course.

Quite the wall of text, I know, but if you'd like to know more, feel free to ask.
I have heard contradictory information about this case. If you were to listen to certain people that information comes out of the team and it was an excuse to get rid of troublesome people, if you ask information that comes from mupper - yes ""she"" states to be a ""girl"" - and morrina then they would say it was a plot to get them removed by the team because how they represented Japan and India was against "panzer's will".
 
Muppers trans, and Japan was "white washed" of warcrimes and shit, which is ironic as hell considering they made the architect of the holocaust a wholesome 100 hero in the final build.
Honestly the "whitewashing" seemed to be the result of the nazis being portrayed so comically evil that everyone else pales in comparison. Also Mao proved that killing a few million chinese people is no biggie
 
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Ah right, the thing about Japan being portrayed as having committed practically no war crimes is true. That was fixed as well and the one responsible was kicked off the team after trying to explain how the rape of Nanking was less of a rape and more of a decisive policing action on a city-wide scale. Think this happened after Morrina's departure, when the writing for Japan was being worked on feverishly.
 
Ah right, the thing about Japan being portrayed as having committed practically no war crimes is true. That was fixed as well and the one responsible was kicked off the team after trying to explain how the rape of Nanking was less of a rape and more of a decisive policing action on a city-wide scale. Think this happened after Morrina's departure, when the writing for Japan was being worked on feverishly.
they are also moving Japan to be just "Authoritarian Democrat" in the game, so the more you know about their double face
 
they are also moving Japan to be just "Authoritarian Democrat" in the game, so the more you know about their double face
Auth dem is honestly more accurate then you might think, at least during the buildup and during the war OTL. Cause the parliament still held sway, and nobody got true solidification of rule during the war.
 
Here's some info that Luka left for us about his political beliefs according to the wiki page he made about himself:

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This page does seem to be a bit outdated though, considering his current beliefs...

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He also seems to have deleted the twitter account he displays here:
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His YouTube channel is still up but inactive for 3 years
I can't confirm if he still uses that e-mail but it is very likely to be his current one.
His new Twitter account was @lukarion_ but he deleted that as well
 

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I have heard contradictory information about this case. If you were to listen to certain people that information comes out of the team and it was an excuse to get rid of troublesome people, if you ask information that comes from mupper - yes ""she"" states to be a ""girl"" - and morrina then they would say it was a plot to get them removed by the team because how they represented Japan and India was against "panzer's will".
Yeah, it's an interesting topic to consider, the flow of information regarding events like these were dominated by the narrative presented by official developer announcements; The likes of Morrina and Mupper had little to no chance of explaining their side of the story. Despite the promises of transparency, these things were practically always handled behind closed doors, the accused against the higher team of developers and Panzer himself.
 
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Are we all just gonna ignore this info dump? Cause this Luca guy could be interesting to dig deeper into
Yes, because we are angry.
Angry aboyt gameplay!

The reason why I left HoI4 as a game was nukes, they had no effect I could notice,thus my erection after developing one quickly flaccified.
 
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Ah right, the thing about Japan being portrayed as having committed practically no war crimes is true. That was fixed as well and the one responsible was kicked off the team after trying to explain how the rape of Nanking was less of a rape and more of a decisive policing action on a city-wide scale. Think this happened after Morrina's departure, when the writing for Japan was being worked on feverishly.
He made the mistake of playing devil's advocate. Calling it the Rape of Nanjing is very loaded, there's a reason why the article headline on wikipedia is the Nanjing Massacre. When the Soviets conquered Berlin about 150 000 civilians died in the battle, unknown but high number of women raped. Why is it not referred to as the Rape of Berlin?
In a axis victory the actions at Nanjing would be as inconsequential as the actions by the Soviets in Berlin.
 
Here's some info that Luka left for us about his political beliefs according to the wiki page he made about himself:

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This page does seem to be a bit outdated though, considering his current beliefs...

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He also seems to have deleted the twitter account he displays here:
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His YouTube channel is still up but inactive for 3 years
I can't confirm if he still uses that e-mail but it is very likely to be his current one.
His new Twitter account was @lukarion_ but he deleted that as well
Ah yes, Mrs. Clinton, the picture of Socialism! What's the wiki link?
 
Yeah, it's an interesting topic to consider, the flow of information regarding events like these were dominated by the narrative presented by official developer announcements; The likes of Morrina and Mupper had little to no chance of explaining their side of the story. Despite the promises of transparency, these things were practically always handled behind closed doors, the accused against the higher team of developers and Panzer himself.
The team under Panzer, under Pacifica and right now has always enforced a narrative top-down about their shady background dealings, ignoring the whole disaster development has been as far as I am concerned. At least, their hypocrisy has been exposed, but I agree that the story about mupper and morrina is quite controversial and nothing relevant has been found apart from the fact morrina seemed to snitch the "shadow council" to Panzer.
 
Ah right, the thing about Japan being portrayed as having committed practically no war crimes is true. That was fixed as well and the one responsible was kicked off the team after trying to explain how the rape of Nanking was less of a rape and more of a decisive policing action on a city-wide scale. Think this happened after Morrina's departure, when the writing for Japan was being worked on feverishly.
I heard another piece of drama surrounding Japan. This happened post release but basically Panzer was upset on how "whitewashed" Japan was and fired the mostly asian Japanese team and replaced them with white trannies. The upcoming "Japan rework" will basically be a "Japan bad" rework. Which sucks because the previous team were using academic sources on how a Fascist state's politics and economics would work.
 
I heard another piece of drama surrounding Japan. This happened post release but basically Panzer was upset on how "whitewashed" Japan was and fired the mostly asian Japanese team and replaced them with white trannies. The upcoming "Japan rework" will basically be a "Japan bad" rework. Which sucks because the previous team were using academic sources on how a Fascist state's politics and economics would work.
Can't wait until 2058 to enjoy trashing that rework.
 
I heard another piece of drama surrounding Japan. This happened post release but basically Panzer was upset on how "whitewashed" Japan was and fired the mostly asian Japanese team and replaced them with white trannies. The upcoming "Japan rework" will basically be a "Japan bad" rework. Which sucks because the previous team were using academic sources on how a Fascist state's politics and economics would work.
Team japan had the most extensive book list.
 
The team under Panzer, under Pacifica and right now has always enforced a narrative top-down about their shady background dealings, ignoring the whole disaster development has been as far as I am concerned. At least, their hypocrisy has been exposed, but I agree that the story about mupper and morrina is quite controversial and nothing relevant has been found apart from the fact morrina seemed to snitch the "shadow council" to Panzer.
To be fair I do buy that the teams probably did a shit job, but so did most of them. The stuff actually working was showcased years before the mod released. And what else is there could be cooked up in a couple of months. Why purge some devs for not finishing their shit when Southern Europe is completely devoid of content? It's likely that people were let go based on ideological reasons since other lazy shits were kept on
 
I heard another piece of drama surrounding Japan. This happened post release but basically Panzer was upset on how "whitewashed" Japan was and fired the mostly asian Japanese team and replaced them with white trannies. The upcoming "Japan rework" will basically be a "Japan bad" rework. Which sucks because the previous team were using academic sources on how a Fascist state's politics and economics would work.
If that is true, then it is a further proof that the team is just a bunch of idiotic anarcho-socialists ready to enforce again their narrative without really exploring the nuance of the scenario.
Can't wait until 2058 to enjoy trashing that rework.
lmao
 
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