Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[cow-wannabe]

The flaw in this plan is that so many creative people are witless, retarded wallflowers who can't string a sentence together or hold a conversation. If their comic is truly the most amazing thing ever produced by mankind, I'll recommend that they develop a personality and learn to become salesmen, like men have had to do in the corporate world since before we were born. Or go sell it to a publisher.

It's cheaper to become social, though.

It's not becoming social though is it? It's engaging in the same retarded, referential drama, making the hundredth video this week about the same inconsequential culture-war outrage, and desperately begging a community of chat-lurking, co-dependant misfits.

There's so many great YouTubers who produce engaging content about True Crime, Cryptozoology, Pop-Science, Make-Up tips, Geek Culture,, and numerous other niche topics, and not only do they provide more entertainment and have bigger, more engaged, more-loyal audiences, they make more more from selling their marketing tat (cup, t-shirts, etc) than most CGers make selling their books.

Honestly most CGers would probably sell more comics if the quit YouTube, got jobs in autistic care homes, and flogged their books to the residents there.

I know you make serious, sustained money from CG @FROG, and a know a select few of your buddies do, but you're the top of the Amway pyramid. Most CGers don't, They either pull one-off grifts and never deliver, or manage to chug along earning a trickle that when you do the maths (long division included) of all the writing, You Tubing, tweeting, etc, works out at at an income much less than minimum wage,

 

[FROG]

It's not becoming social though is it? It's engaging in the same retarded, referential drama, making the hundredth video this week about the same inconsequential culture-war outrage, and desperately begging a community of chat-lurking, co-dependant misfits.

There's so many great YouTubers who produce engaging content about True Crime, Cryptozoology, Pop-Science, Make-Up tips, Geek Culture,, and numerous other niche topics, and not only do they provide more entertainment and have bigger, more engaged, more-loyal audiences, they make more more from selling their marketing tat (cup, t-shirts, etc) than most CGers make selling their books.

Honestly most CGers would probably sell more comics if the quit YouTube, got jobs in autistic care homes, and flogged their books to the residents there.

I know you make serious, sustained money from CG @FROG, and a know a select few of your buddies do, but you're the top of the Amway pyramid. Most CGers don't, They either pull one-off grifts and never deliver, or manage to chug along earning a trickle that when you do the maths (long division included) of all the writing, You Tubing, tweeting, etc, works out at at an income much less than minimum wage,

Then they should do that. Go get a minimum wage job. Or go start a Make Up Tutorial YouTube channel. I thought we were discussing people wanting to make their own comic books.

If it's about making a great living, there are a hundred different life paths that don't involve dealing with a-log speds like you and fighting SJW clowns for the right to make monster pamphlets.
Presumably, ComicsGaters REALLY WANT TO MAKE COMIC BOOKS.

I have some ideas about how to do that, but better ideas are appreciated.

 

[cow-wannabe]

Then they should do that. Go get a minimum wage job. Or go start a Make Up Tutorial YouTube channel. I thought we were discussing people wanting to make their own comic books.

If it's about making a great living, there are a hundred different life paths that don't involve dealing with a-log speds like you and fighting SJW clowns for the right to make monster pamphlets.
Presumably, ComicsGaters REALLY WANT TO MAKE COMIC BOOKS.

I have some ideas about how to do that, but better ideas are appreciated.

Outside of CG there are just as many non-mainstream people making and selling Indie Comics, either by KS, Deviant Art, or Patreon, pulling the same income as the majority of CG creators, without engaging in the constant YT-Shitfest. They have organically grown a network of a few hundred customers that stay loyal because the work is good, and they don't need to do the perpetual streaming for maintenance because they aren't creating constant feuds., and they don't have their income eaten away by having to pay regular superchat tithes.

And you know I get a bit tired of this whole 'fighting the SJWs' narrative, because during the War Campaign era Comicsgate was more heavily thought-policed than the most rainbow haired, land-whale infested, vagina-yeast bakery,

Yeah you fired because you couldn't stop winding up your co-workers. I shared an office with a guy who got fired because he couldn't stop wanking-off at his desk. Yeah it's shit that business get's in the way of being your true self, and it's probably unfair that some people have the freedom to engage in their behaviours and you're don't. As my co-worker so eloquently put it, 'how come these women get away with wearing low-cut tops and I'm not allowed to have a tug when I see them?"

Thing is, that's your, and his, life, and ultimately it's not my problem.

 

[Newman's Own]

I woke up to a lot of upset people who watch my videos asking me to please livestream, as it would make them feel better listening to me rant and talk it through.

This speaks to the level of intelligence and emotional stability of a large segment of ComicsGate. When listening to @FROG rant about Gina Carano is required for your audience to "feel better" there's a serious deficiency in your audience.

You're the security blanket these thumb sucking exceptional cases need.

she didn't think that comparing republicans to jews WHILE WORKING IN FUCKING HOLLYWOOD wouldn't get that reaction?

Carano knew the axe was going to fall since they announced the Rangers of the New Republic spin off last fall and FedEx never showed up with a Disney contract for her to sign.

It looks like she decided to get ahead of things by speaking her mind knowing that Disney would throw her to the wolves but also knowing that the resulting backlash was her best bet at getting right wing exposure and a new gig.

She played the hand she was dealt and won. She was already out at Lucas Film. Now at least she's capitalized on being canceled to get the DailyWire deal.

I hope it works out for her. She seems like a pretty cool chick.

It's fine for what it is -- popcorn. Very watchable and easy to just watch, but there's not much to it.

Learn how to write a coherent sentence if you're going to bill yourself as a "writer".

Moron.

He doesn't know of any good piracy sites that won't poz his computer

I'm not up on the computer lingo either it seems. What does "poz" mean?

Key issues seem to include:

• Unfulfilled books and long wait times, sometimes even years in the case of high profile books like Red Rooster, Brand and Brutas The Badass.​
• The launching of multiple campaigns before the previous campaigns have fulfilled.​
• The story and characters are subpar for $25 plus shipping for comic books which are marketed as boutique items.​
• A sense of fatigue with the "culture war" aspect after Zack cucked out on the lawsuit.​

I agree with all these points. The timing is also interesting. I wonder if the consecutive losses for right wing Trump supporters these last few weeks have been demoralizing and had a depressive effect on many CG faithful.

Trump "loses" the election, Zach cucks out of the LoLsuit, Trump gets impeached again, Parler gets merced, Gina gets canceled for saying people shouldn't hate their neighbors and people start looking at the petty infighting in CG and ask themselves why they're still supporting this shit when it seems to be making zero difference to the things they thought they cared about.

It seemed easier to have enthusiasm when Trump was winning and the libs were crying.

Now there's like 5-10 of the sperg patrol campaign and they're really reaching hard for clout today. I've got like 10+ posts in my mentions from Pan flipping out like it's 2018 again. Just this time there's not a huge mob behind him, it's just him. It's pretty sad, but it's also funny.

All it took was the #1 guy telling the losers of WC to fuck off and they wilted on the vine.

I wonder what CG would look like today had WC been thrown under the bus instead of Edwin, George and Praetorian after "The Fall of Rome".

There were a lot more "normal" people supporting CG back then.

It's entirely possible Vikki, Mike Miller and hundreds or even thousands of fans who left would still be in the CG fold today had WarCampaign gotten the axe when it was first exposed what a pile of human waste they were.

We'll never know.

Juan really needs an editor to fix his grammar

I've noticed this too. JDA claims to be a pro writer but makes the kind of errors a high school freshman is capable of avoiding.

Splurge on Grammarly or something @TheCosmicWarrior . You're embarrassing yourself.

Is being a comic artist even worth it when being enormously talented is no longer enough to sell books?

It's unfortunate but it's true. I don't want to be a YouTuber

You aren't "enormously talented" Nasser.

Stop trying to be something you hate. If you're actually creative then invent a way of marketing yourself that doesn't result in you complaining about it on this forum like a loser.

I can't be the only Kiwi sick of watching you complain about hating YouTube only to flog your latest listless and uninspired video so you can sell a comic to anyone dumb enough to watch the YouTube content you hate producing.

Honestly most CGers would probably sell more comics if the quit YouTube, got jobs in autistic care homes, and flogged their books to the residents there.

Without a doubt the best thing I've read on this thread in months.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

You aren't "enormously talented" Nasser

Disagree

 

[cow-wannabe]

Saw this...

Thought this....

 

[Newman's Own]

Disagree

If you had "enormous talent" you would have sold comics and novels without groveling to the @FROG so you could come back and try to milk his YouTube fans.

Enough people read Stardust for you to start building off it with or without Caesar but you didn't.

That's not to say you can't be a good writer. You just aren't that good yet. Get some humility and learn how to make work with enough merit to be undeniable instead of hoping to pick up enough crumbs from YouTube celebs to get by.

 

[Absurdity]

Yeah for what it's worth coming from me @NasserRabadi13, you should drop the comics thing and go full bore with something that actually interests you and that doesn't rely on gigantic periods of time to make and money upfront. There's plenty of room for true crime youtubers and it would be a great exercise in learning how to make a documentary style video, complete with a script and some decent editing skills. Ethan's system is really all about bringing him money and making him look good. Besides, he's not even known for being a great writer if that's what you truly aspire to. You'll never find your own voice in this clown car you're jammed into. You're still young. Chalk it up to a lapse of judgement and move on, up and out of this dead end.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

I don't know. Cliche's exist for a reason.

On some level, I want a good looking, heroic knight to swoop in and rescue the pretty princess from the dark knight and evil king. Maybe the mark of true creativity is bending these tropes and archetypes without deconstructing them entirely or breaking a genre apart?

You're dang right. I want this too. So I'm going to deliver it, without bending nor subversion. DEUS VULT will go live on IndieGoGo next week.

 

[Rupin]

You're dang right. I want this too. So I'm going to deliver it, without bending nor subversion. DEUS VULT will go live on IndieGoGo next week.

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I actually might buy this book. The art reminds me of the old Elric and Conan comic books that came out in the 70’s and 80’s. You should have artists like this draw your books more often.

 

[Smug Freiza]

Presumably, ComicsGaters REALLY WANT TO MAKE COMIC BOOKS.

I have some ideas about how to do that, but better ideas are appreciated.

I think the main problem is something that @Mister Dongs recently identified in a Michael Bancroft stream, which I'm too lazy to go back and screenshot. I'm paraphrasing here but it was something along the lines of "I'm amazed that 3 years into Comicsgate a lot of new and veteran creators are forgetting the lessons that have been learned during that time."

A humble suggestion from me would be for you to make a video titled "Crowdfunding Pro Secrets: What I've Learned" which could be used as a resource for up and coming Comicsgate creators to use for crowdfunding by sharing what you've learned over the past 3 years.

Some points for the video could include:

• The necessity for building your own platform and not launching any project until you have at least 1K subs, or possibly even more. To put out content people will actually enjoy and find entertaining, rather than just shilling the latest books on offer.
• If building their own platform doesn't work, perhaps they could collaborate with others to make a show more entertaining. For example according to Mister Dongs in his post here, it was your idea for Mandy, Piper and Charlie's London to consolidate into a single show. "For those of you unfamiliar, "CG Ladies Night" was a show Mandy put together on the counsel of @FROG to get all the CG e-girls on a single stream and consolidate the simp demographic into a single hopefully watchable program. This idea is beneficial for those who can't carry a stream by themselves and can bounce topics off co-hosts, it also frees up room for a larger audience since instead of having three different channels and streams completing for views, there is just one show. Other examples of this format working well is the JACK Show and The Trash Compactor Show. Having a dedicated channel like @TESTEFY-HD does or cycling the show across several channels like the JACK Show, either way could work.
• Having these smaller creators creating a Comicsgate Creator group DM on twitter where all the creators can plan their release schedule so we don't end up with 32 projects all launching within the same month and a half.
• Not launching during the December - January period which has always been a historically bad time to launch a crowdfund due to Christmas. Launching during tax time is also allegedly a bad time to launch a campaign.
• Ensuring you have a campaign page with not too many tiers, interior art displayed and shipping prices all correct - especially for international.

That's all I can think of at the moment but this might be information what a lot of first time crowdfunders have forgotten or not understood. In future if anyone asks you for advice you can just link them the video, or one of your followers can do it.

EDIT: You could also emphasize the importance of contracts, how to pay artists and a list of CG friendly streams where you can find promotion eg: Jon Malins Comicsgate Presents, Lord Finatra, Dark Gift Comics, Michael Bancroft etc.

 

[A nameless trool]

It's unfortunate but it's true. I don't want to be a YouTuber--it's the last thing I ever want to do, as I've said a million times, but how else are people supposed to sell their product?

If "art" alone was enough, we'd just put it out with 0 marketing. If people don't know about your books they can't buy them.

Marketing changes depending on the times and what we have available. Back before YouTube and all the advances in self-publishing, there were different ways to promote. Now this is the way.

If there was YouTube back in the day, all these people who sold without it would've been on it. I can almost guarantee Stan Lee would've been on YouTube had it been around in the 60s.


Yes.

I think it is more difficult to be a successful YouTuber than a comic book writer or artist, but there are more than one way up the mountain. Some people like Tim and Mark have success with Kamen America by finding their audience on Twitter instead of YouTube. That Icarus and the Sun dude did it all on Twitter and Instagram.

I think YouTube is the best way to market/sell books, but there are other social medias that people can find success on. It's just about finding your audience no matter the platform.

There are plenty of book authors who sell tens of thousands of books without going on YouTube at all, and make anywhere from $50,000 a year up to millions a year. @TheCosmicWarrior added me to a whole Facebook group full of people like that.


Honestly even if you don't become a popular youtuber, just talk about things you and upload regularly so your audience constantly is reminded about you and your books.

I couldn't care less about YouTube but I'm just gonna talk about what I like and hope it brings new people in--horror movies/novels/comics, and true crime. Most of what I watch on YouTube is true crime, so I'm gonna try going that route.

My third true crime video is gonna be uploaded tomorrow. So far I've done 2. Not to shill, but has anyone watched these?

I think I'm gonna do some urban legend videos too, talk about different weird/creepy things.

There is an alternative to going on YT and, as expertly frased by YBZ, be a hot dog ventor.
Write shit people want to read. write them fast, in a competent way and make sure they make some profit. This is what the facebook groups JDA took you in say. There are some great books and guides on how to do it, just identify something that sells and you can write.
Some space opera about a space merc, repurposing some of your unused ideas about Brutas could probably work quite well.

If you have books ready that you don't have the money to publish, self-edit a couple of them and give them away for free, in exchange for newsletter signups.
I would suggest lovebombimg some youtubers that read horror books and send them copies of your novels, but your social skills are so off you will probably do yourself more harm than good.
Try to get youtube that narrate stories to narrate some of yours. Or do it yourself.
Or do tutorial videos on how to crowdfund a comic, since you have successfully delivered many campaigns on time, something most people on youtube have not.

But, most importantly, work on your writing and your social skills. Your writing has yet to stand on its own and, while people do like you and are willing to give you chances, you are doing yourself more harm than good with your entitlement and whining. Man up.

 

[TESTEFY-HD]

PLEASE SOMEBODY CAPTURE THIS BREAKDOWN GOING ON RIGHT NOW FROM LIAM!!! THIS IS GLORIOUS!

Liam is letting everyone know why he is better than the Japanese people

 

[COMMI3 MARK]

Some points for the video could include:

• The necessity for building your own platform and not launching any project until you have at least 1K subs, or possibly even more. To put out content people will actually enjoy and find entertaining, rather than just shilling the latest books on offer.

Since this time last year there has been a shift away from shilling shows towards more entertainment. Which has been good as a consumer of live streams or w/e but the drying up of this type of show has imo contributed to the "lower" sales we are currently seeing.

I've only this month passed the 1k YT subs milestone yet raised nearly $10k on my stupid mega niche books. There's people with 10k+ subs who are struggling and people with no subs at all who are successful.

Building an audience is very very important, I agree, but YT subs is imo not the most important measurement.

• Not launching during the December - January period which has always been a historically bad time to launch a crowdfund due to Christmas. Launching during tax time is also allegedly a bad time to launch a campaign.

I did this, just to claim "highest grossing book of the year". And for three days it worked as there was next to no competition.

I wouldn't advice that as a strategy though. Most people seem to have put their launches off till this week. It's only gonna get more competitive from here. Someone told me (I haven't confirmed this yet) that there are over 350 mailing lists live...

Edit i keep telling the noobs coming in that the easiest way to grow your YT subs is by appearing on other shows. The problem there is most people will only host an unknown if you have something to promote. That's why I made these niche, almost free to make, books to grow an audience before the big serious book drops.

It's a long game.

 

[Newman's Own]

Since this time last year there has been a shift away from shilling shows towards more entertainment. Which has been good as a consumer of live streams or w/e but the drying up of this type of show has imo contributed to the "lower" sales we are currently seeing.

I've only this month passed the 1k YT subs milestone yet raised nearly $10k on my stupid mega niche books. There's people with 10k+ subs who are struggling and people with no subs at all who are successful.

Building an audience is very very important, I agree, but YT subs is imo not the most important measurement.



I did this, just to claim "highest grossing book of the year". And for three days it worked as there was next to no competition.

I wouldn't advice that as a strategy though. Most people seem to have put their launches off till this week. It's only gonna get more competitive from here. Someone told me (I haven't confirmed this yet) that there are over 350 mailing lists live...

Edit i keep telling the noobs coming in that the easiest way to grow your YT subs is by appearing on other shows. The problem there is most people will only host an unknown if you have something to promote. That's why I made these niche, almost free to make, books to grow an audience before the big serious book drops.

It's a long game.

You behave an awful lot like a dyed in wool capitalist COMMI3 MARK, right down to taking something that costs nothing created by someone else, adding value and then selling it for a profit.

That's how western civilization became the dominant social and political construct of the last 200 years.

Your doing capitalism right. Congratulations on the success you've earned.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

I couldn't care less about YouTube but I'm just gonna talk about what I like and hope it brings new people in--horror movies/novels/comics, and true crime. Most of what I watch on YouTube is true crime, so I'm gonna try going that route.

In terms of a subject that personally fascinates and thrills you, that has the potential to infect and draw in an audience for your books, it's got to be a better option for you than EVS's crotch.

And guess what? No slobbering over the latter is required.

My third true crime video is gonna be uploaded tomorrow. So far I've done 2. Not to shill, but has anyone watched these?

No. I still don't like you.

And you know I get a bit tired of this whole 'fighting the SJWs' narrative, because during the War Campaign era Comicsgate was more heavily thought-policed than the most rainbow haired, land-whale infested, vagina-yeast bakery,

This speaks to the level of intelligence and emotional stability of a large segment of ComicsGate. When listening to @FROG rant about Gina Carano is required for your audience to "feel better" there's a serious deficiency in your audience.

You're the security blanket these thumb sucking exceptional cases need.

That virtual basement of angry, thought-policing nerds extends further than Warcampaign, and might turn out as a trap for the YTers who find financial success by enabling it. I've watched Doomcock declare that Gina Carano's 'republicans are jews' tweet was stupid, but no reason to fire her. Even a Fandom Menace favorite like him had to walk back the first innocuous, reasonable part of that statement in comments and videos, with a cringing, and cringey, "What I meant to say was..." The puppet master becomes the puppet.

Stoke the anti-SJW speds up with what they want to hear, to sell your unrelated pamphlets, they hang on your every word. Every word.

If you had "enormous talent" you would have sold comics and novels without groveling to the @FROG so you could come back and try to milk his YouTube fans...

That's not to say you can't be a good writer. You just aren't that good yet. Get some humility and learn how to make work with enough merit to be undeniable instead of hoping to pick up enough crumbs from YouTube celebs to get by.

Sage advice. It sounds familiar, somehow.

If building their own platform doesn't work, perhaps they could collaborate with others to make a show more entertaining. For example according to Mister Dongs in his post here, it was your idea for Mandy, Piper and Charlie's London to consolidate into a single show.

That worked out well, didn't it? Again, milking the comicsgate crowd on youtube can be a delicate operation, because the brittle, undersocialized spergs don't just make up the audience: like a lot have been saying here lately, they make up the creators, hosts and faces too.

 

[cow-wannabe]

Just posting to solicit 'Autistics' as I'm off for my Covid jab.

(Also....something, something Marvel, Brie Larson, something end of western civilization...just so it doesn't look like I'm not staying on topic.)

 

[A nameless trool]

That virtual basement of angry, thought-policing nerds extends further than Warcampaign, and might turn out as a trap for the YTers who find financial success by enabling it. I've watched Doomcock declare that Gina Carano's 'republicans are jews' tweet was stupid, but no reason to fire her. Even a Fandom Menace favorite like him had to walk back the first innocuous, reasonable part of that statement in comments and videos, with a cringing, and cringey, "What I meant to say was..." The puppet master becomes the puppet.

Stoke the anti-SJW speds up with what they want to hear, to sell your unrelated pamphlets, they hang on your every word. Every word.

True.

Somebody, pages ago, said that CG has some crazy but hot women.
And, to be honest, if chicks like Martina Markota, That Starwars Girl or Sheilla Allen were pro SJW, they would probably be somebody's work girlfriend at Marvel or some major geek site. Or the next Heather Antos.
-Gate movements are for grifters who scrap at the bottom of the barrel. To be fair, @FROG and most of his pro friends could successfully crowdfund their books without the Fandom Mennace or CG, only Cyberfrog would do some hundreds of thousand of dollars instead of millions.

 

[Newman's Own]

it's got to be a better option for you than EVS's crotch.

I think you're projecting dignity where it doesn't exist.

Nasser is going to debase himself and supplicate to his daddy because it's easier than putting in the time to try and get where he wants to go under his own steam.

Nasser's like the hitch hiker who gets to his destination without springing for fuel or parting with any of his weed.

It's his preferred method of payment. Watching him pretend to have dignity is entertaining though.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

you should drop the comics thing and go full bore with something that actually interests you and that doesn't rely on gigantic periods of time to make and money upfront. There

I'm a little confused what you mean by "drop the comics thing and go full bore with something that interests you."

Since when don't comics interest me? I've wanted to write comics since 2014 (although it took me a few years to write them), and I have thousands of comics in my collection.

A little confused too on the "Doesn't rely on gigantic periods of time to make and money upfront." I think you mean I should find something that pays quicker than waiting months and months to fulfill a campaign, but that's exactly why I have my books on Amazon. While they still require money to produce, every sale goes right to my pocket instead of having to reach a certain goal.

I actually might buy this book. The art reminds me of the old Elric and Conan comic books that came out in the 70’s and 80’s. You should have artists like this draw your books more often.

Jon sent me a PDF of the first 20 pages, it's a really fun read and the artist is great.

Having these smaller creators creating a Comicsgate Creator group DM on twitter where all the creators can plan their release schedule so we don't end up with 32 projects all launching within the same month and a half.

@FROG did do something like this actually. I don't know how it worked out, but I remember just a month or so before I left CG, Ethan did make a group chat with some newer cgers and a couple others (like me) who had already run a campaign or two, so that these guys could get advice and stuff, and to sort of "learn the ropes" of making a campaign and promoting it. Whatever happened to that?

I would suggest lovebombimg some youtubers that read horror books and send them copies of your novels, but your social skills are so off you will probably do yourself more harm than good.

I've tried this before, and got ignored by all except one guy who I'm gonna send my new book to, The Christmas Morning Massacre, after the paperback is up (submitting the files the 28th, so it'll be up anywhere from 2/28-3/3). Maybe that'll lead to something.

while people do like you and are willing to give you chances, you are doing yourself more harm than good with your entitlement and whining. Man up.

You're right. No more whining about not wanting to do YouTube from here on out.

Write shit people want to read. write them fast, in a competent way and make sure they make some profit.

That's exactly what I'm trying to do with my slasher books. I'm modeling it after some of my favorite franchises, primarily Friday the 13th. Books 1-3 are normal slasher stories about the Raven Hill Butcher, but in book 4 it takes the "supernatural" turn that F13, Halloween, and all the other franchises take. Book 5 sort of is the "return to basics" movie that they all get. I haven't written books 6 onward yet, but book 6 is gonna be the inevitable "reboot."