The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Android raptor]

Pretty sure that's what I said. Of course I've also pointed out precautions that reduce that chance to zero, like getting one's tubes tied.

And me and others have pointed out that getting your tubes tubes tied can be difficult or even impossible for young women. Shit, one of my friends is around 30, married, but still got shot down by her doctors because she doesn't already have kids.

There are doctors out there more willing to do it but if they aren't in your area or don't take your insurance, you're fucked.

Hell one of my other friends, who did managed to get her tubes tied, had to beg her doctor to do it and he still didn't want to after 2 difficult pregnancies. She said she wanted it done right there after her second kid was born but he still made her wait 9 months before finally agreeing to do it. She said it was the best decision of her life.

I really wished I lived in the bizarro universe prolifers seem to live in where women can easily get their tubes tied, abortions are funded by the government, and even late term abortions are easily available to everyone. Must be a nice place.

 

[The High Prophet of Truth]

 

[Android raptor]

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Wish we still had an Islamic rating, because that is some Islamic-ass Content

Hopefully the feds will prevent the bill from going into effect like they have in other states.

 

[Muh Vagina]

And yet you are the one person in this thread who has constantly expressed an outright irrational fear of getting pregnant, despite being the one person in the thread who is the least likely to face this issue.

Rape exists, you retard.

I know basic science; its why I'm pro-life. And not a single pro-choice person in this thread has managed to make a cogent scientific argument for abortion. Period.

We have several times, actually. You just keep throwing an autistic tantrum because they go against your fee fees.

 

[Zarael]

You know we have the ability to actually test brain activity right? And that there are various other signs of cognitive function that aren't reflexive (do you understand what the difference is?)

Yes testing external signifiers to see if the subject has an awareness of self. But they're still external signifiers, whether or not you judge it by behavior, reaction to stimuli or internal processes of the brain. You don't know how well any of these correlate to a subject actually having consciousness though. Your tests for brain activity are little more sophisticated than jabbing someone with a stick and seeing how they react. The point hasn't changed.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

Rape exists, you retard.

He didn't stutter.

 

[Muh Vagina]

He didn't stutter.

I'll give you a break, because you're currently mourning the obese pillhead who was married four times. My sympathies during this darkest of times.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I'll give you a break, because you're currently mourning the obese pillhead who was married four times. My sympathies during this darkest of times.

That has to be your weakest personal insult yet.

 

[Nom Carver]

I'll give you a break, because you're currently mourning the obese pillhead who was married four times. My sympathies during this darkest of times.

That has to be your weakest personal insult yet.

Gather around children! The autistic slapfighting between the downy and the neckbeard begins!

 

[Android raptor]

I'll give you a break, because you're currently mourning the obese pillhead who was married four times. My sympathies during this darkest of times.

I guess he's a bleeding heart for more than just embryos, he also cares about obese drug addicts that were terrible people.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I guess he's a bleeding heart for more than just embryos, he also cares about obese drug addicts that were terrible people.

Suffering and death from cancer are profoundly unfortunate, no matter who the victim is.

 

[Android raptor]

Suffering and death from cancer are profoundly unfortunate, no matter who the victim is.

So is suffering and dying from shoving lysol or a coathanger inside yourself in desperation to not be pregnant or dying in childbirth but you seem a lot less concerned with that.

Shit, by prolife logic Rush knew cancer was a risk of smoking/drinking/pill popping/etc and he shouldn't have gotten any treatment, because dying of cancer is the only justified consequence for his actions. No chemo, no nothing.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

So is suffering and dying from shoving lysol or a coathanger inside yourself in desperation to not be pregnant or dying in childbirth but you seem a lot less concerned with that.

1) Do you drink yourself into brain-damaging stupors? Active risk of death to the mother is the only exception I make for abortion.
2) When you harm yourself to kill a kid outside of knowing that any further gestation will kill you, and you harming yourself directly leads to your death, you're damn right I have no sympathy. It's cut-and-dry cosmic justice.

Shit, by prolife logic Rush knew cancer was a risk of smoking/drinking/pill popping/etc and he shouldn't have gotten any treatment, because dying of cancer is the only justified consequence for his actions. No chemo, no nothing.

Yeah, probably. Those things definitely put you at heightened risk of cancers, but some people live their lives doing those things and get to die peaceful deaths. Cancer isn't even just a disease-- it's a horrifying experience for not only the one who suffers, but all of his loved ones in various ways. Because it's an experience that he could have endured even without his lifestyle being the way it was (though, he would have been significantly less likely to do so), I feel for him, and I definitely feel for the family and friends he left behind-- who certainly didn't deserve to be swept up in that ordeal, and suffer in the unique ways they suffered as well.

Your gotcha is a comparison between oranges and cyanide.

 

[Android raptor]

1) Do you drink yourself into brain-damaging stupors? Active risk of death to the mother is the only exception I make for abortion.
2) When you harm yourself to kill a kid outside of knowing that any further gestation will kill you, and you harming yourself directly leads to your death, you're damn right I have no sympathy. It's cut-and-dry cosmic justice.


Yeah, probably. Those things definitely put you at heightened risk of cancers, but some people live their lives doing those things and get to die peaceful deaths. Cancer isn't even just a disease-- it's a horrifying experience for not only the one who suffers, but all of his loved ones in various ways. Because it's an experience that he could have endured even without his lifestyle being the way it was (though, he would have been significantly less likely to do so), I feel for him, and I definitely feel for the family and friends he left behind-- who certainly didn't deserve to be swept up in that ordeal, and suffer in the unique ways they suffered as well.

Your gotcha is a comparison between oranges and cyanide.

And unwanted pregnancy and childbirth is also a horrifying experience for everyone, not to mention something that can happen regardless of whether or not someone chose to do anything that put them at risk of pregnancy since rape exists.

Comparing a fetus to a kid is a comparison between oranges and cyanide. And yeah, if I got pregnant I probably would drink myself into a brain-damaging stupor (due to both mental illness and also hoping to induce miscarriage or at least make the fetus so FUBAR that even if I have to carry it to term it'll die shortly after birth).

Good that you openly admit that the only lives you actually care about are embryos and shitty talk radio hosts. Points for honesty that you openly admitted you don't give a shit about the lives of women and girls.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

And unwanted pregnancy and childbirth is also a horrifying experience for everyone

Ar--

Are you fucking comparing pregnancy to cancer?

not to mention something that can happen regardless of whether or not someone chose to do anything that put them at risk of pregnancy since rape exists.

Thanks for reminding me that rape exists. Too bad the vast majority of women aren't killing their kids because the kid was a product of forced sex, so you're really just wasting words.

Comparing a fetus to a kid is a comparison between oranges and cyanide.

I don't think you know what any of those four nouns are.

And yeah, if I got pregnant I probably would drink myself into a brain-damaging stupor (due to both mental illness and also hoping to induce miscarriage or at least make the fetus so FUBAR that even if I have to carry it to term it'll die shortly after birth).

Do you get off by creating this online persona of being this incomprehensibly fucked up person? Is this an exercise in seeing how MATI you can get me?

A few pages ago, you were talking about using abortifacents, and now you're talking about drinking enough to either induce miscarriage or ruin your child's life using a method that would be more likely to give him severe FAS and sabotage his entire life-- and you see either outcome as roughly equivalent.

 

[Android raptor]

Ar--

Are you fucking comparing pregnancy to cancer?


Thanks for reminding me that rape exists. Too bad the vast majority of women aren't killing their kids because the kid was a product of forced sex, so you're really just wasting words.


I don't think you know what any of those four nouns are.


Do you get off by creating this online persona of being this incomprehensibly fucked up person? Is this an exercise in seeing how MATI you can get me?

A few pages ago, you were talking about using abortifacents, and now you're talking about drinking enough to either induce miscarriage or ruin your child's life using a method that would be more likely to give him severe FAS and sabotage his entire life-- and you see either outcome as roughly equivalent.

I mean, if I couldn't get the pills I'd have to make do with something else. Plus who knows what kind of delusions I'd get from pregnancy-related psychosis, I might end up hearing voices telling me to drink a whole bottle of mouthwash or some shit.

I am an incomprehensibly fucked up person. Blame it on two incomprehensibly fucked up people fucking and then not scraping that shit like they should've. Since I'm as fucked up as I am, i should be the last person forced to go through pregnancy and childbirth.

Do you get off by creating this online persona of a shitty asshole that hates women and wants to punish them with forced pregnancy/childbirth for not having sex with him?

Also really interesting that my hypothetical unwanted fetus is always a "him"

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I mean, if I couldn't get the pills I'd have to make do with something else. Plus who knows what kind of delusions I'd get from pregnancy-related psychosis, I might end up hearing voices telling me to drink a whole bottle of mouthwash or some shit.

Piss off. You're using your mental illness as a shield. You can't simultaneously entertain personal desperation and the possibility of psychosis and then act as if you're not being horrendously reprehensible as you suggest that you'd take giving your child a host of congenital defects into your own hands (because that is what drinking is more likely to accomplish). You also can't say "well, if I didn't have the pills" now.

Do you get off by creating this online persona of a shitty asshole that hates women and wants to punish them with forced pregnancy/childbirth for not having sex with him?

That persona doesn't exist outside of your head.

 

[Nom Carver]

Are we just going to ignore that autismo over here just said she'd happily induce fatal birth defects in a fetus so they die shortly after leaving the womb? Are we sure you don't have a fetish for child murder or something?

I am an incomprehensibly fucked up person. Blame it on two incomprehensibly fucked up people fucking and then not scraping that shit like they should've. Since I'm as fucked up as I am, i should be the last person forced to go through pregnancy and childbirth.

Oh please, go back to roblox you edgy bastard.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Are we just going to ignore that autismo over here just said she'd happily induce fatal birth defects in a fetus so they die shortly after leaving the womb

Is this a surprise at this point?

 

[Android raptor]

Piss off. You're using your mental illness as a shield. You can't simultaneously entertain personal desperation and the possibility of psychosis and then act as if you're not being horrendously reprehensible as you suggest that you'd take giving your child a host of congenital defects into your own hands (because that is what drinking is more likely to accomplish). You also can't say "well, if I didn't have the pills" now.


That persona doesn't exist outside of your head.

Bruh I've said there's a good chance I'd straight up murder a baby if I couldn't abort it as a fetus. Psychosis is probably the bare minimum that pregnancy would do to me since I'm already mentally ill and pregnancy/childbirth is notorious for making that shit worse. People like me are proof that some people should never be forced to go through pregnancy and childbirth. Andrea Yates didn't just wake up one day and drown her kids for shits and giggles, she was a woman who endured years of her husband using her as a broodmare which only worsened her psychosis til the voices in her head convinced her that drowning her kids was saving them from a fate worse than death. Pregnancy is not an easy thing, and it can have disastrous effects on both physical and mental health.

If I'm so reprehensible and horrible, why the fuck should I be forced to gestate an unwanted pregnancy?

Wild how giving FAS to a hypothetical fetus is reprehensible, but women and girls dying horribly in unsafe abortions is cosmic justice. You do realize the fetuses die with these women and girls, right? And a lot of them already have children, including the woman who died from a botched abortion in the 60s who was photographed post-mortum (with that photograph being a huge rallying point for women's rights activists). Kids have had to grow up without their mothers because their mothers couldn't access safe abortion, presumably in oh-so horrible single parent families.

But go on about how you're totally not an incel that just hates women and values fetuses as a tool to punish them for not fucking you.