Jerry Peet / Lily Orchard / Lily Peet / Valkyrstudios / Bhaalspawn / Tara Callie / "Mod Ebara" - Sociopath writer of pedophile fanfiction and cartoon reviews, faked getting raped to force a divorce, then mobbed and gaslit their ex off Tumblr, satanist neoliberal of the MovieSlob variety, also wants to fuck dogs and/or pokemon

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In fact: Doing some quick math shows that if Lily been playing since launch (17 years ago) at the very least at 12.99 for 6months she’s burnt at least 441$ CAD on something that’s caused her nothing but stress and broken friendships.

Hm.

This might seem weird, but:
(36) Related to Rule 2: Will They, Won't They isn't a fun story. It's just addiction-peddling. We need to stop pretending Ross/Rachel was good storytelling and learn to appreciate Chander/Monica and Joey/Rachel.
Lily hates things like mystery, continuity, and cliffhangers in story-based media because it's 'addiction peddling'.

World of Warcraft is an MMO.

You know what an MMO is, guys? A massively-multiplayer online Skinner box.

MMOs are rigged in such a way where the early levels are clustered close enough together that you feel like you're making quick and easy progress with your character. As you continue to level up and move out to different quests, these levels become exponentially more difficult to hit, and the quests require progressively more investment. If these were presented at the start of the game you'd never actually keep playing, but MMOs (and phone games, now) are built such that you figure out how to get the dopamine hit of seeing your numbers go up. Then, like the conditioned pigeon in Skinner's box, the rewards start coming less often-- it starts to tay two taps at the button to get the treat. Then three. Then fifty. And it takes longer and longer to get the dopamine hit, but you've been conditioned that when you finally level up again it's an even greater high than last time.

Wanting closure on a story beat isn't an 'addiction', it's just wanting closure, and once you get that closure you're done, and stories that draw out the reward too much are oftentimes abandoned by a fed-up or disinterested audience.

But an MMO like World of Warcraft is actually built on 'addiction-peddling' (which isn't a phrase and even in context doesn't make sense; it means you're selling addictions, not causing them to form and taking advantage of them. Props to that anon who keeps making fun of Lily's linguistic skills). You know those stories from years ago about people dying from personal neglect because they were so addicted to MMOs? Or stories about people spending thousands of real-life dollars on free-to-play phone apps? If Lily were actually concerned about people's well-being as far as 'addiction-peddling' goes, she wouldn't be supporting World of Warcraft by writing fanfiction and getting into arguments about its characters.

Just something to think about.
 
The worst part is that Sylvanas doesn't even have a Vaguely Sympathetic backstory.

Sylvanas has always been an entitled cunt, She got handed the position of Ranger General because of her last name, Told her King to fuck off because she liked Human Cock, decided her entire defense in the face of an undead army that had just caused their nearest ally to fall (which they did NOTHING to help with despite her boy toy being from that nation) would be "LOL LETS ANNOY THE GENERAL WHILE HIDING BEHIND OUR MAGIC ROCKS" and after she gets her body back and has Arthas at her mercy and is within a stone's throw of murdering the son of a bitch..she paralyzes him so she can torture him instead of just killing him.

Sylvanas is exactly what would happen if you take an Entitled Upper-Class Middle Child and hand her the power that Sylvanas has. After she Yeeted herself off Icecrown because somebody ELSE got to kill Arthas..she realized that she would fucking go to hell and has now decided to kick over the table on a universal scale because SHE DIDN'T GET WHAT SHE WANTED, all while complaining that she is the victim.

I can bitch about Warcraft's story in places, but Sylvanas' arc is not one of them because Sylvanas is peak Antifa-member and the fact that I am going to get to punch her Smug Karen face next patch makes me super excited.

I haven't played WoW since the end of Cataclysm/ early Mist's of Pandara (Blizzard was pandering to China before it was cool, didn't do the game any favors if you ask me), but...holy shit, it's canon now that she did all that? I know WoW's lead writers changed hands a lot since Wrath of the Lich King... but damn, I can't believe I'm saying this, but speaking as someone who's enjoyed WoW and it's story & lore since the Burning Crusade, enough to buy and play through Warcraft 3, but I have to disagree with you a bit, as that was not the take away I got from Sylvanas' character when I was playing WoW, and it certainly not in Warcraft 3.

Back around when I dropped of WoW Sylvanas was still a fairly tragic semi-villain who was at one point a good commander and hero to her people who was turned into a monster by the leader of an invading undead army. However, unlike Arthas, who fell completely from grace, there was always a bit of a hint that Sylvanas still had some good in her, like in the game she briefly lamented her presumed dead sister when presented with her necklace, or in a graphic novel she went out of her way to lead a rescue team to rescue a few of her people from execution. I could go on, but the core appeal of the character was that, while she was dark, cold, and ruthless, there was still the occasional spark of the person she was, and it was interesting to she her struggle with the connects to her past life while making a future in her new one. Hell, that's what made the Forsaken faction as a whole interesting, I was mostly an Alliance player, but the faction that always interested me the most was the Forsaken.

But that's beside the point. I guess the retconed it sometime during Legion/ BfA that Sylvanas was just a bad egg and her evil tenancies where just her being a spoiled brat not getting her way instead of, you know, it being that years of existence as a zombie/ghost abomination has twisted her soul and has gradually compelled her to gradually darker actions.

God, I remember back when Blizzard was the master's of the "fallen hero" trope. Yeah, maybe they overused it a bit, but damn if they weren't good at it. They gave us Arthas, Illidan Stormrage, the entire Orc race up until WC3 where they redeemed themselves, Sarah Kerrigan, the Diablo II antagonist who was the protagonist from Diablo I, hell, even Reaper from Overwatch was shaping up to be one of these before Blizz decided banning people for spamming emotes in game was more important then writing a fun narrative.

I'm sorry, I know this thread is supposed to an Archive about Lily's spuring, but if there's one thing I can find common ground with her, it's how sad it is that Blizzard has fallen so low. Someone here mentioned a page or two back how it was odd that Lily wasn't getting pissy at people who were hyped to kill Sylvanas? Honestly, I think that's because once Sylvanas is out of the picture she can finally being ripping of the band-aid that is dropping World of Warcraft. We know Lily likes to hold onto properties long after they've jumped the shark, even when Lily herself admits that they've done so, but she over-invests her time into these properties and that makes her unwilling to drop them even when she knows she should, so long as there's one or two things she still likes about them. For WoW, that's Sylvanas, once she's out of the picture they'll be nothing really tying her to the game and she can finally let herself drop it.

Personally, I dropped WoW early on in the Mists of Panderia expansion's life cycle. I was already noticing a slow but steady drop in writing and game-play quality during Cataclysm, but it was still fun. However, once Mists dropped and made it apparent that Blizzard preferred pandering to China over making a quality game, that was all I needed to realize that WoW's golden age had passed and it was only downhill from here.
 
I haven't played WoW since the end of Cataclysm/ early Mist's of Pandara (Blizzard was pandering to China before it was cool, didn't do the game any favors if you ask me), but...holy shit, it's canon now that she did all that? I know WoW's lead writers changed hands a lot since Wrath of the Lich King... but damn, I can't believe I'm saying this, but speaking as someone who's enjoyed WoW and it's story & lore since the Burning Crusade, enough to buy and play through Warcraft 3, but I have to disagree with you a bit, as that was not the take away I got from Sylvanas' character when I was playing WoW, and it certainly not in Warcraft 3.
Hate to tell you I legitimately didn't touch much past Cataclysm, most everything I touched upon was WC3/Vanilla-WOTLK stuff.
 
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Sorry to bring back the topic of tv tropes, but goddamn that YMMV page on the star wars fanfic is the most pathetic thing ive ever seen. why is "better than canon" even a trope???
When you're a critic who goes after more successful works, your opinion needs to be seen as the correct one. This is why it's important to them to paint everything the creators has done as inferior.
 
But that's beside the point. I guess the retconed it sometime during Legion/ BfA that Sylvanas was just a bad egg and her evil tenancies where just her being a spoiled brat not getting her way instead of, you know, it being that years of existence as a zombie/ghost abomination has twisted her soul and has gradually compelled her to gradually darker actions.

For some reason I don't think Blizzard literally said that everything Sylvanas ever did is because she's an entitled brat.

Negative bias is still bias. Having a hateboner for Sylvanas isn't exactly better than just wanting to bone her.

When you're a critic who goes after more successful works, your opinion needs to be seen as the correct one. This is why it's important to them to paint everything the creators has done as inferior.

I think they meant 'why is Better Than Canon' considered a 'trope'. Tropes are supposed to be part of the artist's toolkit. Some of those definitions have been stretched, but even on the YMMV page usually at least touch on occurrences in fandom (things like Broken Base and Character Derailment, which are usually opinions held by a large part of a fanbase and relate directly back to the work itself and its impact on that fanbase).

Better Than Canon is just flat-out an opinion, not a 'trope'. It might be part of the discussion about a derivative work, but those factors are better explored just by using the YMMV tropes that contribute to it instead of just saying 'lots of people think this is better than the original'. I guess some tropes can only exist in context of audience reception, but something like that really shouldn't be part of the 'official' lexicon.

As to why it's on The Sith Resurgence's page it is of course because Lily is editing her own pages and putting words in other people's mouths. Actually this is kind of funny becuase, while almost any bad fic will absolutely get people still slobbering all over it and saying what a work of genius it is, very few people will actually going into detail about their reasoning. "I love Aliana and Rey!" is does not immediately equate to 'The audience finds Aliana and Rey's mutually-supportive relationship to be superior to that between Rey and Kylo Ren'. It's almost reassuring to see that Lily projects just as much on the positivity she receives as she does on the negativity. "People hate me because <totally unsupported claim>"; "People love my work because <totally unsupported claim>."
 
it’s kind of sad and pathetic that Lily is the only one she allows to give criticism to her own fanfic and on top of that with made-up terminology to seem more intellectual
she even mentions her own writing in her videos as an example of "good writing"

I can only imagine it like this:
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it’s kind of sad and pathetic that Lily is the only one she allows to give criticism to her own fanfic and on top of that with made-up terminology to seem more intellectual
she even mentions her own writing in her videos as an example of "good writing"

I can only imagine it like this:
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Chris-Chan writing a glowing 5/5 star review for his own low-tier contest entry on his own blog... in third person
 
Hate to tell you I legitimately didn't touch much past Cataclysm, most everything I touched upon was WC3/Vanilla-WOTLK stuff.

Odd, I was pretty heavy into WoW, both the game and the lore, in the Burning Crusader/ WotLK era and I don't remember most of the stuff about Sylvanas being a handed her Ranger position or telling her King to piss while she ran off with a human. In fact, outside of Warcraft 3, I don't remember Blizzard doing very much with her character at all until Wraith of the Lich King, and most of that stuff revolved around her conflicts with Arthas. But again, I digress. This thread's about Lily, not a WoW character.

Sorry to bring back the topic of tv tropes, but goddamn that YMMV page on the star wars fanfic is the most pathetic thing ive ever seen. why is "better than canon" even a trope???

Because being in a fandom tends to bring out the stupidest and most disillusion side of people. Speaking from experience, you spend enough time only reading fan-fiction and eventually your brain starts tricking you into thinking it's good, on par or even better then published novels because you gradually start to forget what real literature is. It sort of like if you feed a someone nothing but a diet of fast food, eventually it'll be all that their body can process without discomfort, even if it's literally putting their health in the shitter.
 
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Because being in a fandom tends to bring out the stupidest and most disillusion side of people. Speaking from experience, you spend enough time only reading fan-fiction and eventually your brain starts tricking you into thinking it's good, on par or even better then published novels because you gradually start to forget what real literature is. It sort of like if you feed a someone nothing but a diet of fast food, eventually it'll be all that their body can process without discomfort, even if it's literally putting their health in the shitter.
Honestly, a novel being published, or even successful, is not an indicator of it being any good as literature.
50 Shades of Grey is a bestseller and it's a garbage tier Twilight smutfic with the serial numbers filed off. Literally.
 
Guys, took ages to archived this fine piece of Lily's mind.
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Yeah, of course Misogyny of part of a fine group of writers who consulted spiritualists to detail the plot, in a fucking world when a woman is the actual emptress of the Fire Nation (even if that shit is only a facade), another one had a important lineage, another one doesn't use elements and can paralyze you and the list goes on.
ATLA shows how diversity can be natural... and Lily misses the point like fucking always.
 
Guys, took ages to archived this fine piece of Lily's mind.
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Yeah, of course Misogyny of part of a fine group of writers who consulted spiritualists to detail the plot, in a fucking world when a woman is the actual emptress of the Fire Nation (even if that shit is only a facade), another one had a important lineage, another one doesn't use elements and can paralyze you and the list goes on.
ATLA shows how diversity can be natural... and Lily misses the point like fucking always.
I haven't seen ATLA in years but wasn't Azula the one who wanted to be the head of a fascist regime that had commited genocide against the Air people?

I thought fascists only have to die or else the creators are coddling nazis. Or that is only true when the creator is a woman, Liliana?
 
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The show as originally planned had a cast that was a lot more masculine. Then some members of the creative team looked at some characters who were originally written to be men and said “but what if they were women.” Toph was one, Azula was another. Bit of fun trivia, I think.

But with Azula, I’d say that she is a victim of Ozai’s abuse like Zuko, but the difference is that she lacked time with Iroh. Thus she wasn’t given guidance on a redemption arc.

I wouldn’t call that misogyny, I’d just say the story lacked time for it. I think the original plans for book 4 had something like this in mind, but I’m much less sure of this as a bit of development lore than I am on the bit about Azula originally being male.

Seems disingenious to assume misogyny but that’s Lily for you.

There could possibly be arguments made about how Legend of Korra handled women, but that’s a different show. I haven’t heard of Lily’s takes from her Korra video, but I assume they are bad and incorrect.
 
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Yeah, of course Misogyny of part of a fine group of writers who consulted spiritualists to detail the plot, in a fucking world when a woman is the actual emptress of the Fire Nation (even if that shit is only a facade), another one had a important lineage, another one doesn't use elements and can paralyze you and the list goes on.
ATLA shows how diversity can be natural... and Lily misses the point like fucking always.
it's more because Zuko was the biggest victim, he was even abused by Azula

Azula at most was neglected and pressured but nothing compared to Zuko, basically the family dynamic meant that Azula would pretty much grow up to embrace Ozai’s ideals. Typical golden child dynamic. She was never taught that anything else was important besides power and dominance and she never had a reason to think otherwise because she was naturally powerful and dominant. Obviously her mother tried to correct her bratty tendencies, but if Ozai was the parent in power then Ursa's scolding had no real effect.
and it was even alluded that she was always a monster since she was a child, she even took pleasure in seeing her brother being burned without turning her face as Iroh did.

in a series of losses in her life, like losing her friends and realizing that she had nothing but the throne, Ozai giving her an empty title was the final nail that made her lose her mind.
Azula was spoiled and she could not bear not having what she wanted and believed faithfully in the ideology of the Fire Nation, her downfall is due to her belief in toxic and vile ideals, the fact that she was abused did not have much of a part in this, especially when her actions that led her to that point, is her consequences..

in the comics she seems to have passed through an arch where she acts as the leader of an organization that agena shadows of the new Fire Nation helping Fire Lord Zuko, but still being cruel and manipulative, so the idea has always been for her to be villainous e lack empaty even when on the side of the good guys

I mean, there is so much to discuss with ATLA and its characters just for Lily Lily wanting to summarizing everything with a sentence or a concept as if she were enlightened with the "wit" answer.

the way she talks about ATLA makes me think she just decided to watch the series because she saw that it was on the "must watch" list for cartoon reviewers, binge watched in two days, forgot most of it and now projects her own ideas to fill in the blanks in her head refusing any other interpretation
 
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Place your bets now folks! Will she:
A: Actually finish writing it and horribly pander to a minority
or
B: Cancel it in a week because people were showing too much interest in it
or c, just forget about it like that fat woman with a hat from her pokemon comic
 
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