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If the Saint is a gun you can have in your hands, vs not you'll be happy with it for a pretty simple AR platform rifle.
I did not understand the second part, If I am not happy with the Saint then its not worth it due to other cheaper options I guess. Problem is they all sold out for months and none of the gun stores around me even know when will they get restocked.
 
I'm personally pretty fuddy when it comes to Springfield. I won't give them any business due to them trying to game the system and screw other manufacturers and businesses in Illinois with donations to the anti gun crowd to get them to lock out everyone but them.

Yes, I know S&W and Ruger and whatnot have also had their slip ups but I feel what Springfield did was particularly heinous.
 
@The Dude
What sold you on the mk23 in the first place?

It's Solid Snake's pistol, after all. "The only crew-serviced handgun".

Metal Gear Solid is where I first became aware of the Mark 23, and like any firearm I become aware of I began researching it, discovering it's history and development, learning everything I could about it because I'm Autistic and obsessive about firearms. Learning about its development and the trials it had to pass to win selection during the USSOCOM Offensive Handgun Weapons System program proved to me that it was a reliable, tough, rugged, and accurate weapon. A weapon you can trust your life to in the harshest conditions. I will not hesitate to make the claim that the Mark 23 is the best .45 ACP combat pistol ever made. That's what made me fall in love with the Mark 23 and I swore that one day I'd own one. And in 2016 I was finally able to make that goal.

And I feel like it's size and weight are exaggerated. While it's wider than a 1911, they're about the same length and weight when loaded, but you get 12+1 rounds of .45 ACP with the Mark 23 and generally only 8+1 rounds with a 1911. That's not to disparage the 1911. I own and love both the Mark 23 and 1911.

Are the Springfield Armry Saint ARs any good?

And thoughts on the M1A scout rifle sold by them?

This is my personal take on it, but I would not buy Springfield if you want an M14 style rifle. I had a Springfield M1A Loaded with a stainless barrel for a few years and had nothing but reliability problems with it. Failures to feed and failures to extract, even after taking advantage of Springfield Armory's lifetime guarantee and sending the rifle back to them three different times to be fixed. Even after all that, I could never get through even a single 20rnd mag without having some kind of stoppage or malfunction. I ended up selling it and buying a different rifle with the money. For years my desire for an M14 style rifle went unfulfilled until one of my best friends filled me in on a little company called LRB. They are the only company making M14 to USGI specs (aside from having select fire). Springfield and Fulton use investment casting for their receivers, bolts, and operating rods because it's quicker and cheaper than using forged parts, but those cast parts need to be machined thicker to have enough strength to safely handle the pressures seen with firearms. Springfield is also known for using metal injection molding for many of their small parts for similar reasons. LRB on the other hand is more concerned with making high quality rifles built to the proper specs. So when I decided to build a Mk14 Mod 0 style rifle I ordered an 18.5" barreled action and a genuine USGI M14 trigger group made with Harrington and Richardson parts from LRB. Dealing with LRB was an absolute pleasure. The service and customer care I had with them was the best I've ever seen, not just with a firearms manufacturer, but with any company I've dealt with. So I'm going to make the same suggestion to you that I make to anyone I see who is interested in owning an M14 style rifle: go with LRB. They can build a rifle in any configuration that you want. They aren't cheap, but they'll build you a rifle that you can trust your life to and will last several lifetimes as a family heirloom.

Saints are pretty nice for what they are, if not a bit pricy, what makes you look into them? Not judging, just want to see your wants and maybe we can figure something else.

Heavy, I love me the m1 but it's a lot more weight than you think (inb4 go to gym)

@The Dude Congrats your dudeship and super jelly. I'd pick up all the ammo costs if you let me have a few mags thru her! May it treat you well.

I want to redo my makarov slide, I'm willing to do something retarded for the lulz like case hardening even. But cold blue I can do at home. Any suggestions ideas? Should I do sights too? A bored man with free time and guns he can't shoot (thanks ammo shortage) gets silly dreams.

Bro, any time you're in my neck of the woods just hit me up and we can shoot any guns that I own that you want to shoot. I've always said that if a man can't share his hobbies or vices with his friends, then he should probably give them up.


I'm personally pretty fuddy when it comes to Springfield. I won't give them any business due to them trying to game the system and screw other manufacturers and businesses in Illinois with donations to the anti gun crowd to get them to lock out everyone but them.

Yes, I know S&W and Ruger and whatnot have also had their slip ups but I feel what Springfield did was particularly heinous.

Their scummy practices, dealing with the figurative Devil for their own gain, is part of the reason I'll never own another Springfield weapon. The other part is my terrible experience with the M1A Loaded I owned, plus the materials they use in their guns. I'm not a fan of investment cast and MIM parts. Yes, I know they're perfectly serviceable materials to use in firearms, but there are plenty of arguments to be made about parts made from those materials having shorter service lives or being more prone to breakage versus parts that are forged or machined from tool steel.
 
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Me, living in Europe and subjected to the EU gun laws:

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Metal Gear Solid is where I first became aware of the Mark 23, and like any firearm I become aware of I began researching it, discovering it's history and development, learning everything I could about it because I'm Autistic and obsessive about firearms. Learning about its development and the trials it had to pass to win selection during the USSOCOM Offensive Handgun Weapons System program proved to me that it was a reliable, tough, rugged, and accurate weapon. A weapon you can trust your life to in the harshest conditions. I will not hesitate to make the claim that the Mark 23 is the best .45 ACP combat pistol ever made. That's what made me fall in love with the Mark 23 and I swore that one day I'd own one. And in 2016 I was finally able to make that goal.

And I feel like it's size and weight are exaggerated. While it's wider than a 1911, they're about the same length and weight when loaded, but you get 12+1 rounds of .45 ACP with the Mark 23 and generally only 8+1 rounds with a 1911. That's not to disparage the 1911. I own and love both the Mark 23 and 1911.
TLDR Uncle Pennybags haw-haws, flexes on peasants who can't afford HK.

(I am totally not green with envy right now.)
 

Only 4K. HK hates the poors.
I feel like a lot of semi-auto versions of machine guns are so ludicrously priced that you might as well pay the cuck stamp for the real thing. If you can afford those, what's $200 more?

For example, I've seen semi-auto 249 SAWs for sale at about $10k. In other words, you're paying the price of a used automobile for what amounts to a morbidly obese AR.
 
Thoughts on this active shooter training video?

Don't mass shooters use AR-15s and not shottys?


They need to update the gun used. Also the dude looks like Vin Diesel.
 
Thoughts on this active shooter training video?

Don't mass shooters use AR-15s and not shottys?


They need to update the gun used. Also the dude looks like Vin Diesel.
The Columbine shooters had a shotgun among them, Randy Stair used a shotgun but I don't think anyone would call him a particularly competent shooter.
 
Don't mass shooters use AR-15s and not shottys?
The Santa Fe High School shooting in Texas got memory-holed quickly because the shooter used a shotgun (the presstitutes called it "less deadly' than an AR and were rightfully pilloried for it).

Also IIRC that one shooting at that newspaper in Maryland (?) I think was done with a shotgun.

And I recognize that video. We watched it for active shooter training at work. I don't think it really matters what weapon he's using; if someone is shooting the place up, don't stick around to find out!
 
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Shotgun shooters tend to go down quicker, which is just another reason to memoryhole them.


The service and customer care I had with them was the best I've ever seen, not just with a firearms manufacturer, but with any company I've dealt with.
I'm probably preaching to the choir here, but this really reminded me of something. Small business always has leagues better service than big business. Americans really seem to be backsliding on this so remember to buy local whenever you can!
 
I have a Springfield M1A NM in addition to a SOCOM 16, and have never had any reliability issues with the guns themselves. I had some FTEs and FTFs on both, but a simple change in ammo solved that issue. While I would never advise people use their hard-earned money on a company like Springfield, I can't say I have anything negative to say about their products.

On the other hand, I can also attest to LRB being a fantastic company that makes excellent products. I have two LRB M1A rifles, and both of them are every bit as good as the one I toured with. No issued with ammo, either. The only issue I've had is that their fit and finish is a little too tight for a basic, pre/post range field stripping and requires more attention and effort than I'd like. Also, they came in sighted weirdly, but that's really the shooter's job anyways.

Also, HK does hate poors. Had a Mark 23 for a while. Liked it a lot. Didn't like it so much that I thought the price was justified over the 1911/M45A1. Doesn't stop me from loving the MP5, though. Truly, HK's greatest gift to the world and the best sub gun in my collection. That might change if I ever get my hands on a real Vector, though, but they were impossible to find even before the 'rona. Post 'rona has made all post-sample funs go up in price and down in availability just as much, if not more so than everything your local gun store might carry. Most of the increased value of my collection came from them and not the everyday joe stuff.

Speaking of everyday joe stuff, I recently bought myself a Cimarron 1858 New Model Army cartridge conversion and a Henry Big Boy X, both in .45lc and I'm really liking them so far. For those of you who still unfortunately live in Commiefornia, I cannot recommend the 1858 enough if you're not going the noncompliance route. Very fun to shoot. Ammo is expensive, though. ~$2 a round right now unless you're buying in bulk (700+) or get lucky at your local store.
 
TLDR Uncle Pennybags haw-haws, flexes on peasants who can't afford HK.

(I am totally not green with envy right now.)

I'm by no means rich. Every gun I own was the product of lots and lots of saving and overtime on my part. Well, my Origin 12 and FK BRNO were helped along by stimulus money, but still required working overtime so as not to impact my normal household finances. I'm just a big believer in the maxim "quality over quantity". There are still plenty of firearms I'd love to own, but know I'll likely never be able to afford, like the new .44 Auto Mag, LWRCI SMG 45, semi-auto FG-42, GeW-43, and many others.
 
I think there’s a lot of people who were hoping that CZ was going to immediately start frog-marching Colt execs out the door. And they may yet. But a foreign company sweeping into its recently acquired US company and purging employees is potentially pretty bad optics.

I see plenty of comments around the internet from boomers and other dunderpates lamenting the purchase of Colt by a foreign company. As someone who really enjoys the history of Colt with regard to the M16/AR/M4 and respects their ability to turn out a solid product (albeit a very “vanilla” one) I’d rather see competent Czechs running the company instead of incompetent Americans.
 
I think there’s a lot of people who were hoping that CZ was going to immediately start frog-marching Colt execs out the door. And they may yet. But a foreign company sweeping into its recently acquired US company and purging employees is potentially pretty bad optics.

I see plenty of comments around the internet from boomers and other dunderpates lamenting the purchase of Colt by a foreign company. As someone who really enjoys the history of Colt with regard to the M16/AR/M4 and respects their ability to turn out a solid product (albeit a very “vanilla” one) I’d rather see competent Czechs running the company instead of incompetent Americans.
the history of colt is a history of bankruptcy. they have been in and out of bankruptcy since 1837. when the GWOT came they basically killed their civilian sales to completely subsist on the government teat, but the GWOT is winding down and the government no longer needs orders of 300,000 M4s anymore. if they dont continue to respecialize in the civilian market they will die.

they could have been competeting with S&W and Ruger (The best run gun company in the US and perhaps world) but they pissed that chance away.
 
Yeah. The Colt history I like pertains mostly to the AR15/M16 series, just because I went through a Retro AR nut phase until the “mostly peaceful protests” of last summer and the impending descent of the US into a vicious balkanized hellscape had me refocus on more practically-oriented ARs.
Colt stopped doing any kind of R&D a long time ago and have always been pretty tone deaf from a business standpoint.
 
Yeah. The Colt history I like pertains mostly to the AR15/M16 series, just because I went through a Retro AR nut phase until the “mostly peaceful protests” of last summer and the impending descent of the US into a vicious balkanized hellscape had me refocus on more practically-oriented ARs.
Colt stopped doing any kind of R&D a long time ago and have always been pretty tone deaf from a business standpoint.
all the R&D in the last 30 years has been at colt Canada unfortunately.
 
Well yeah but watching chris get salty over it because of his personal history with the management is kind of funny.

He did float an interesting idea, that CZ really only bought out Colt to get Colt Canada. That they want to get into the upcoming weapon trials Canada is going to be having to replace their handgun, and acquiring Colt Canada gives them domestic production in canada.

Also I really hope some of the hipowers make it down here and Trudeu doesn't have them all destroyed or something.
CZ are a very politically savvy company, I think they'd tolerate retaining reduntant management if it meant avoiding bad publicity. If they are building a new plant, then they may just wait until they've got a replacement organisation in place before slowly getting rid of the existing one.

I really doubt they're going to do something as overt as declaring they're moving out of Connecticut because of the hostile enviroment, fighting with even local governement isn't how they do things.

Ultimately CZ even though they're a private company are almost an arm of the Czech governement, I think they'll be very cautious about how they proceed, and won't want to ruffle any feathers.
 
CZ are a very politically savvy company, I think they'd tolerate retaining reduntant management if it meant avoiding bad publicity. If they are building a new plant, then they may just wait until they've got a replacement organisation in place before slowly getting rid of the existing one.

I really doubt they're going to do something as overt as declaring they're moving out of Connecticut because of the hostile enviroment, fighting with even local governement isn't how they do things.

Ultimately CZ even though they're a private company are almost an arm of the Czech governement, I think they'll be very cautious about how they proceed, and won't want to ruffle any feathers.
My bet is they will continue with the building of their own plant and slowly shift production out of CT. There are a lot of companies across the board that have been doing that. No big statement just open a new plant and keep adding new production over time.
 
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