TGWTG Nostalgia Chick / Lindsay Ellis / TheDudette - aka Hotdogs in face girl

[BScCollateral]

Well...that's worse than I thought. For someone that paints themselves as an intellectual, you'd think Lindsay Ellis would know her shit when it comes to Alfred Hitchcock.

It's kind of a given that Moviebob-tier critics aren't up to talking about films for grownups, but it's a trifle dismaying to see Ellis isn't up to discussing Psycho.

 

[Random Internet Person]

It's kind of a given that Moviebob-tier critics aren't up to talking about films for grownups, but it's a trifle dismaying to see Ellis isn't up to discussing Psycho.

Well, if Lindsay's part of a circle, their MO is more of explaining why dumb blockbustes are smarter than you think, especially if nobody else is making those claims. Remember Lindsay's The Whole Plate series?

 

[BScCollateral]

Well, if Lindsay's part of a circle, their MO is more of explaining why dumb blockbustes are smarter than you think, especially if nobody else is making those claims. Remember Lindsay's The Whole Plate series?

And the thing is that generally I'm up for this. Sure, it was parodied in Peanuts with Linus reading meaning into Hey Diddle Diddle, but I have a high tolerance for "this apparently shallow thing has hidden meaning." I won't make fun of someone for finding hidden deep meaning in stuff. Even if it's objectively wrong, it's worth discussing.
Just don't ask me about Louis Jordan's Doncha Worry 'Bout That Mule.

 

[Calculus]

In the video, Lindsay accuses JKR of having a self-insert in the form of Robin in the Cormoran Strike books. However, this is nothing new as JKR has said Hermione was also based on herself. Lindsay also accuses JKR as being fat phobic for repeatedly describing in detail what a fat character looks like and is eating. JKR has said that when she was younger, she loved when authors would decribe food in detail and so she does this too.

Both of these points also have nothing to do with transphobia. I kind of get the feeling that now Lindsay is a published author herself, there must be a certain smugness and self satisfaction in pointing out “flaws” in a much more successful author’s work.

 

[Den Gigantiske]

Implying Rowling will ever watch this shit regardless.


Remember how I said Lindsay's claim of being totally unbothered was transparently untrue? Yeah, even I'm surprised by how hard she's contradicting herself here.

"I don't even watch Gary's videos," has basically evolved into "Gary is my nemesis and he lives in my head rent-free."

God I want a sporty internet fight between sargon and lindsay

 

[Bloody bunny]

Contrapoints collaboration, Jenny Nicholson voiceovers, merch shilling, and a stale topic? What more could we ask for in a Lindsay shitpost!

For her to get drunk and tazed?

 

[Harlan Wick]

I kind of get the feeling that now Lindsay is a published author herself, there must be a certain smugness and self satisfaction in pointing out “flaws” in a much more successful author’s work.

Nothing says hubris quite like playing with a drum feed AK-47 in a glass house.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I kind of get the feeling that now Lindsay is a published author herself, there must be a certain smugness and self satisfaction in pointing out “flaws” in a much more successful author’s work.

Ain't that just being a critic? Being in the same field is just a thing to give a chip on your shoulder.

 

[Bussy Catalog]

Something I've become increasingly aware off is how none of these people have any relavent experiance or qualifications to present themselves as an authority.

That doesn't matter at all, the left only cares that you read the current party-approved script and sound legitimate doing it. All of these woke YouTube critics are generic and interchangeable, and they will inevitably either burn out or be discarded by their benefactors when they outlive their usefulness.

 

[Nazz]

I'm gonna be totally honest, I don't want to watch this mess. I'm going to mute the video, turn on subtitles, and set it to 2x speed, and that's honestly the most I can take. I tolerate Lindsay because she occasionally puts out something I enjoy, but I'd rather pull my own teeth with pliers than subject myself to an hour long video that's 50% Hontra. I barely had the patience to stomach her Rowling video, and this is probably just that with a bunch of Hontra thrown in. Vomit.

I wish these clowns would actually read what Rowling said, because she's not the "TERF ringleader," she's a libfem that's somewhat GC-- TERF lite, I guess you could say. Her stance is basically that troons are fine as long as they're not drugging kids or undermining issues of female biology like abortion and FGM. That's not even being a TERF; being supportive of troons so long as kids and sports aren't involved is basically the position most normies have. Side note: Before I get started, I guarantee you Lindsay and/or Hontra is going to bring up that murder mystery Rowling wrote where the killer crossdresses, and maybe also the bathrooms in Harry Potter that magically bar you from entering if you're the wrong sex. I should note as well that a poll in Britian found that the public is overwhelmingly opposed to pre-op MTFs (which represent the majority) entering womens' bathrooms-- once again, Rowling is just saying what plenty of normies already think:

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Onto the video:

In the beginning, Hontra opens by talking about Psycho and how it's apparently troonphobic, which has got to be the most retarded possible take. The idea is that Norman Bates has a dissociative second identity where he literally believes that he's his mom, and if that makes him a troon, well, that's a decidedly troonphobic definition of one. Then Lindsay argues with a bunch of the response videos and e-mails she got despite previously saying that she totally doesn't watch your response videos, Gary. So much for that, lmao. She goes down the line of tired TRA talking points; "We don't deny biology!!1!1!" "TERFs are in cahoots with the convervatives!!1!!" "Troons are just trying to exist!1!1!!" "Caring about kids is something homophobes did, so anyone who uses that argument is a homophobe!1!1!!" and finally the new classic, "I don't actually care about JK Rowling1!1!" I'm so tired of arguing with the same garbage over and over again. These people are basically reading from a script at this point. She somehow manages to tie this back in to the actual subject (?) of the video by saying that she thinks movies like Psycho are indirectly the reason troonphobia is a thing. Yes, really.

Also excuse my autism but Lindsay says that Achilles crossdresses is the Iliad, which is untrue-- that was a different story that takes place before the Iliad. She conveniently left out the part where he raped and impregnated one of the princesses he was living with while he was in drag, whoops. I already touched on the Pycho thing, but she basically reiterates what Hontra said while peppering in some stuff about Ed Gein, off of whom Bates and Gumb are both loosely based. She also talks about the Silence of the Lambs (again, predictable,) and at one point uses Gumb's desire for surgery as an indication of his sincerity as a troon (I wonder what she'd have to say about the likes of DSP and Yaniv, who by this logic are also True and Honest troons.) She just blathers on about the numerous instances of trans panic in media in the 80s and 90s after that, not understanding that the gag is just as much a product of homophobia as it is troonphobia (arguably the former moreso, since normies back then didn't even seem to see a distinction between gay people and troons.)

Anyway, she starts closing the video by mischaracterizing concerns about male sex offenders being housed with women as "linking transess to crimes." She points out that "only" 7 of the 124 cases of sexual assault in prison were perpetrated by trans, which is just a fundamental misunderstanding of how math works. For one thing, rapes in prison are notoriously underreported, but setting that side, if troons are only .45% of the U.S. population, and they commit 5.6% (7 out of 124) of prison sexual assaults with a female victim, that's pretty goddamn disproportionate. That's more than ten times the amount of rape a group their size should theoretically be committing. As for how many incarcerated troons are in for sex offenses-- Lindsay's right that it's difficult to say, A) because prisons may have different definitions of trans and may not report that data at all and B) most sex offenders aren't in prison anyway. So really that's not currently a point of data either side can base an argument on. She goes on to say that MtFs are more likely to be sexually assaulted in prison than other types of inmate, which as far as I can tell is true. I'm not sure how men raping other men is TERFs' fault; once again, that's more indicative of homophobia and larger systemic issues with the penal system than it is transphobia, and it certainly doesn't mean MtFs should be placed with women. The sensible solution would be to house them with other male inmates at high risk of victimization, not to jeopardize the safety of women.

Gotta love how people like Lindsay characterize themselves as woke, and then blame women like Rowling for the injustices against troons committed chiefly by men. The majority of the movies she talks about are written, directed, and produced by men. The prisons are run and staffed mostly by men. The ones raping troons are mostly men. Yet somehow, all of this is the fault of TERFs, and not historic homophobia and mishandling of sexual violence.

Thank you so much for sitting through this, i havent been able to stomach a video since her CATS review last year.

Lindsay has a perennial problem with her analyses; at best she gets certain broad strokes right but some of the details are overworked/overwrought/misinterpreted (her rent video comes to mind), and at worst she deliberately bends things to her worldview in order to produce her stilted, woke, virtue signaling schlock to her kabbal of mid thirties neckbeard simps. All of her videos in the last year have been this way, and her willful misinterpretation of scenes with uncomplicated and obvious ideas presented straight up in the text have completely nuked my ability to take her any more seriously than I would a retrospective on the gay agenda in media from a member of the Westboro Baptist Church. There might be a glint of truth but ultimately its so warped that i'd never know it from the rest of the bullshit.

I think She is just permanently passive aggressive like with this twitter thread talking about Sargon's video response to the JK rowling video Lindsay put out a couple of months ago.
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look, I'm no sargon simp, but getting annoyed that he made a video response to your video about JK rowling to make money when you CLEARLY made that video in a haste to capitalize on the JK Rowling shitfest going on at the time (even admitting it in the fucking tweet!) is mighty hypocritical. I guess "i did it because she just put herself in the news" is slightly better than "i did it to promote my new book" but its still hypocritical as hell.

 

[FarCentrist]

I'm starting to have no respect for movieBob Lindsay Ellis Jim sterling style movie/game etc critics. What value do they bring? They're just parasites on other people's work and if movie critics were as good as they think they are they'd make movies and game themselves. Their entire livelihood is dependent on the hard work of actual movie makers.

I think this is just journalism degree coping.

 

[Wormy]

They're just parasites on other people's work and if movie critics were as good as they think they are they'd make movies and game themselves.

Digital Homicide, is that you?

Yea, sorry, I'm going to have an opinion on shit even if I can't make it myself.

 

[road timber]

"pop culture roots of transphobia" video pisses me off lol. (its main claim is that terfs hate TW because of films and/or disinfo.)

a) the irreverent attitude towards women being concerned with their safety and comfort, or just wanting a place away from males, bothers me the most about these kinds of videos. i guess most women's opinions don't matter and none of this should be put to a vote. let's just replace sex with gender identity in law, even though that causes all kinds of legal problems.

b) women don't just make this stuff up in their fruity little minds from watching their nightly stories. women have met trans women before, dated them, seen hundreds of them online, been at the very least emotionally disturbed by them, been called insults by them, or even been trans-identified for a few years, and many who were once open minded have formed their own opinion and changed their mind. it's almost as if real life influences this somehow, not just two movies (psycho and silence of the lambs). this isn't a jaws situation where no one has stopped to have a deep conversation with a shark. also, who under 30 has seen the crying game or dressed to kill, lmao. at least the other two people have actually watched. they're good movies.

c) the "what about the children" thing, trying to equate feminism to white supremacy, truly made me cringe. modern white supremacists aren't interested in injecting children with experimental off-label drugs that weaken their bones and prevent their puberty from occurring. that was more mengele's thing. it seems like people are actually concerned for their children's health, instead of just worried they'll fuck a black man one day or something. get your fucking head out of your ass.

d) she admits trans women raping and murdering women has happened before several times, but that women still shouldn't be worried about it? all she says is the data isn't in yet or the data we currently have might be off or whatever, and most egregiously, tries to blame FTMs and nonbinary females in prison for rape or something later in the video with no evidence. has she heard of randy stair, or did she try to disown him (because when these brave and stunning "women" commit acts like this that have a distinctly male pattern, it's either "incidental" that they are trans, or they "weren't trans" in the first place)? what the fuck about the skewing of crime statistics? at this rate, in a matter of years, they will be completely useless. does she care? is the undifferentiated "women" category suddenly going to get exponentially more rapey in the next few years with no known cause? will she blame covid or lead poisoning? what exactly is the strategy here, and how far will you go? destroying sociology?

e) worst of all, yes there is evidence that trans women and other males commit the same amount of violence. why wouldn't they, magical womanly fairy dust? what makes trans women suddenly safer than other males? like scientifically or socialization-wise, what is the explanation for that? it's just like assuming male feminists are more kind because they say that they care about women. don't even pretend to give a shit about science. the evidence we do have is that they're more likely to have serious mental conditions or be reckless with harm to themselves. how does that translate into less violence? i don't fucking get it lads...

 

[Random Internet Person]

Seeing as you’re not excited by Lindsay’s analysis, would you consider this to be any better?

 

[None Drunk Username]

A lot of JK being labelled as a transphobe seems to be based on the deliberate misinformation the trans community tries to put forward to make themselves more accepted. One of the biggest being that "Puberty blockers and hormone therapy are completely reversible." By saying children can't consent to such a life altering decision, she's going against the narrative that they want, which makes her an enemy. So they ignore the fact that she's supported left wing organisations all her life. Or the fact that she was one of the few billionaires who lost her status because she gave so much of her wealth to charity. No, she's an awful Tory who needs to be set alight.

I would love to see Linsay and co. talk about about respectable books like Irreversible Damage by Abigail Schrier, or any of the other works that are highly critical of gender ideaolgy and what it's doing to children. One thing you never see these people talk about is how there are plenty of kids/teens who think they're trans, get HRT, and then realize years later that they aren't and want to de-transtion. Trying to point out such a thing happens is heresy in their eyes because it makes the entire idea that a person's feelings trumps biology fall apart.

Obviously it would have nothing to do with film criticism but when has it ever with Lindsay Ellis?

 

[Calculus]

I would love to see Linsay and co. talk about about respectable books like Irreversible Damage by Abigail Schrier, or any of the other works that are highly critical of gender ideaolgy and what it's doing to children. One thing you never see these people talk about is how there are plenty of kids/teens who think they're trans, get HRT, and then realize years later that they aren't and want to de-transtion. Trying to point out such a thing happens is heresy in their eyes because it makes the entire idea that a person's feelings trumps biology fall apart.

Obviously it would have nothing to do with film criticism but when has it ever with Lindsay Ellis?

Lindsay probably thinks HRT works like transformers and they can just change back like nothing happened.

 

[None Drunk Username]

Lindsay probably thinks HRT works like transformers and they can just change back like nothing happened.

I said something similar in the Jim Sterling thread, but I'm pretty sure if the troon community/allies had their way all children would recieve puberty blockers and then we would just choose our hormones later based on our identities. They're always going on and on about how puberty blockers are harmless and totally reversible so if that were true then we should just do this, right?

 

[Bani]

one of those morons that thinks that Achilles and Patrocles were totally bumming it in the Illiad

Morons like... Plato?

 

[stuffandthings]

Morons like... Plato?

LOL. Exactly. The Patroclus/Achilles slash craze came a few centuries after the Iliad was written. So, Plato's time. Fifth century Athenians elites were a bunch of creepy fujioshis, gaying up all their great-grandpa's old stories just like the friggen Sherlock fandom today. You read the actual Iliad, and Achilles throws a hissy fit and sits out half of the book because Agamemnon steals his captive bedwarmer, and Patroclus' bit of war booty cries over his body after he dies like, 'He was the nicest rapist a girl could ever ask for.' The Iliad is only about a narrow conflict within the greater Trojan war. The war has already been going on when the poem starts, and it isn't close to done when the poem ends. It is the epic tale of the fallout of one man's cockblocking.

People forget that ancient cultures existed and evolved for centuries. It's hard to make accurate blanket statements like, "Ancient Greeks did this/believed that. Or Romans, or Egyptians." Even their 'stories' changed over time, it would be like asking a random British kid from every decade the story of Robin Hood, and having it change depending on if they grew up with Errol Flynn or Disney gateway furs. Ancient Greece got progressively more obsessed with teh big geh, sliding into the Hellenistic period, where Alexander the Great and his boyfriend went to Troy and laid flowers at Achilies and Patroclus' going, "OMG they were so like us amirite!?"

All this to say, Lyndsay, If you're gonna cite a myth in your video essay, give the specific version you're citing. The date and presumed provenance plz.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

I said something similar in the Jim Sterling thread, but I'm pretty sure if the troon community/allies had their way all children would recieve puberty blockers and then we would just choose our hormones later based on our identities. They're always going on and on about how puberty blockers are harmless and totally reversible so if that were true then we should just do this, right?

Twitter nuts: "Trans people need rights!"
Me: "Well that sounds reasonable. All people have natural rights and all that"
Twitter nuts: "WE NEED TO PUT CHILDREN ON PUBERTY BLOCKERS!!!"
Me: "Um...what the fuck?"

That's where that portion of the LGBTQ movement always loses me. Please explain to me why you need control and influence over other people's kids. Its creepy.