2020-12-07 - Scott v. Moon Mk VI(?)

[hundredpercent]

She got evicted, yes. She (by her own admition) does not have a house and lives in a hotel. Her only property seems to be a car or two.



So, maybe Null could get a couple of grand if he got her cars.

It's up to the winner to collect the reward.

That implies that she has money to burn when judgment is awarded.

Hard to get money from something the people did not receive.

I doubt you can get any value of getting food stamps as payment.

Debt is collected by government in my country. It'd be possible to garnish whatever money she spends on hotels or otherwise gets into her account, above a ~$600/month min limit. Whatever other money she comes across, excess clothes, etc., would also be possible to seize.

It's also a criminal offense to live extravagantly with impending debts.

 

[Karl der Grosse]

She gets cash income from one (and possibly more) of her children receiving SSI because of disability. She's admitted this, at the very least for the kid she claims has Tourette's (but he's getting better!) but probably is far more disabled than she admits. That income is completely safe, no one can touch it absent a determination in court that she is an unfit mother and that payee status should be stripped from her and the kid get a court-appointed conservator or GAL. That won't happen, sad to say.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

Debt is collected by government in my country. It'd be possible to garnish whatever money she spends on hotels or otherwise gets into her account, above a ~$600/month min limit. Whatever other money she comes across, excess clothes, etc., would also be possible to seize.

What country do you live in? If that's not too much powerleveling, that is.

It's also a criminal offense to live extravagantly with impending debts.

I don't believe suing someone would count as a "impending debt", although, I'll admit, I don't actually know.

 

[hundredpercent]

What country do you live in? If that's not too much powerleveling, that is.

I don't believe suing someone would count as a "impending debt", although, I'll admit, I don't actually know.

Sweden. Debt collection is done by Kronofogden (Swedish Enforcement Authority). All countries have their issues, of course, but the unique situation with the courts and lawsuits everywhere really is a quintessentially American issue.

 

[DumbDude42]

Most potential candidates for frivolous lawsuits against Lolcow LLC are american idiots, though.
Melinda, for instance, has barely enough braincells to file this stuff in her own state. I don't see her successfully filing anything in a place she wouldn't be able to find on a map.

thats a very good point actually
starting a lawsuit in a foreign country as a non resident is an extremely tedious and tiresome undertaking, and provisions that allow 'free' court access to poor people likely don't cover international litigation

 

[AnOminous]

Don't entertain the thought of fees being awarded too much. While I would love that particular bill to be shoved up Melinda's backside, it's unlikely to happen.

It wouldn't help much anyway to have a judgment against a worthless poverty bum like Melinda. What would really burn her is an injunction barring her from further i.f.p. petitions and requiring her actually to pay the fee for her abuse. Some state vexatious litigant statutes also require the vexatious litigant to put up a bond to cover the attorney fees in advance if the defendant wins, as well as barring them from pro se litigation and forcing them to use a lawyer. This more or less shuts down impoverished screaming loonies who should be in a loony bin and not in court. Federal court doesn't generally do this.

 

[TamarYaelBatYah]

She got evicted, yes. She (by her own admition) does not have a house and lives in a hotel. Her only property seems to be a car or two.

I never said I lived in a hotel. I said I pay hotel taxes. When I've traveled over the years I've paid hotel taxes when I stay places.

So, maybe Null could get a couple of grand if he got her cars.

My car is safe. That's what safe, so you best drop your hopes of seizing my car. Va law exempts $5,000 of personal property from judgment. And an additional $500/for each dependent. That's an additional $3,000 for me.

My one car that I own is valued at $1,500. You can't touch it.

It wouldn't help much anyway to have a judgment against Melinda

So I guess Moon has no one to blame but himself for his attorney fees.

If he thought I had no case he would have just not responded to the lawsuit and let it run its course.

If he was smart, and not a high school drop out dummy, he could have filed pro-se himself to overturn the Default and dismiss the case if he thought my suit was such gibberish. But he can barely read and write so obviously he had to hire someone with more education. He has no one to blame but himself for his educational deficiencies.
Instead of running a junkie site he could have invested his time and energy into getting an education and learn how to file his own court documents

 

[Slimy Time]

I never said I lived in a hotel. I said I pay hotel taxes. When I've traveled over the years I've paid hotel taxes when I stay places.



My car is safe. That's what safe, so you best drop your hopes of seizing my car. Va law exempts $5,000 of personal property from judgment. And an additional $500/for each dependent. That's an additional $3,000 for me.

My one car that I own is valued at $1,500. You can't touch it.



So I guess Moon has no one to blame but himself for his attorney fees.

If he thought I had no case he would have just not responded to the lawsuit and let it run its course.

If he was smart, and not a high school drop out dummy, he could have filed pro-se himself to overturn the Default and dismiss the case if he thought my suit was such gibberish. But he can barely read and write so obviously he had to hire someone with more education. He has no one to blame but himself for his educational deficiencies.
Instead of running a junkie site he could have invested his time and energy into getting an education and learn how to file his own court documents

Out of interest, if when this case fails. You going to sue him again?

 

[AprilRains]

If he was smart, and not a high school drop out dummy, he could have filed pro-se himself to overturn the Default and dismiss the case if he thought my suit was such gibberish. But he can barely read and write so obviously he had to hire someone with more education. He has no one to blame but himself for his educational deficiencies.
Instead of running a junkie site he could have invested his time and energy into getting an education and learn how to file his own court documents

Yes, your success rate in filing pro se babble is so inspiring. How foolish for anyone to hire a lawyer to deal with legal matters.

You absolute idiot.

 

[Hungerdunger]

I never said I lived in a hotel. I said I pay hotel taxes. When I've traveled over the years I've paid hotel taxes when I stay places.



My car is safe. That's what safe, so you best drop your hopes of seizing my car. Va law exempts $5,000 of personal property from judgment. And an additional $500/for each dependent. That's an additional $3,000 for me.

My one car that I own is valued at $1,500. You can't touch it.



So I guess Moon has no one to blame but himself for his attorney fees.

If he thought I had no case he would have just not responded to the lawsuit and let it run its course.

If he was smart, and not a high school drop out dummy, he could have filed pro-se himself to overturn the Default and dismiss the case if he thought my suit was such gibberish. But he can barely read and write so obviously he had to hire someone with more education. He has no one to blame but himself for his educational deficiencies.
Instead of running a junkie site he could have invested his time and energy into getting an education and learn how to file his own court documents

Filing his own court documents? Maybe watching you attempt this put him off. The ONLY advantage to pro se is cost saving. The disadvantage is a chronic lack of experience and knowledge in legal matters.

The fact that legal representation is expensive is another debate.

If you want a job done well, you hire someone who CAN do the job well. Pro se is not that. You, like many pro se folk, simply aren't good at doing the work of a lawyer. Why would you be? Thiers is not a skill set you can reasonably achieve by your own efforts.

 

[Useful_Mistake]

I never said I lived in a hotel. I said I pay hotel taxes. When I've traveled over the years I've paid hotel taxes when I stay places.

The fact that you think that is a tax, is hilarious.
Then learn to word your words better, because that is indeed what you said. Not my problem that you can't express your thoughts properly.

My car is safe. That's what safe, so you best drop your hopes of seizing my car. Va law exempts $5,000 of personal property from judgment. And an additional $500/for each dependent. That's an additional $3,000 for me.

My one car that I own is valued at $1,500. You can't touch it.



So I guess Moon has no one to blame but himself for his attorney fees.

If he thought I had no case he would have just not responded to the lawsuit and let it run its course.

If he was smart, and not a high school drop out dummy, he could have filed pro-se himself to overturn the Default and dismiss the case if he thought my suit was such gibberish. But he can barely read and write so obviously he had to hire someone with more education. He has no one to blame but himself for his educational deficiencies.
Instead of running a junkie site he could have invested his time and energy into getting an education and learn how to file his own court documents

To anyone curious she copy pasted this from her thread.

Out of interest, if when this case fails. You going to sue him again?

Yes. She said she will:

If this case is dismissed I'll simply re-file and serve Moon in Florida.

 

[TamarYaelBatYah]

Filing his own court documents? Maybe watching you attempt this put him off. The ONLY advantage to pro se is cost saving. The disadvantage is a chronic lack of experience and knowledge in legal matters.

The fact that legal representation is expensive is another debate.

If you want a job done well, you hire someone who CAN do the job well. Pro se is not that. You, like many pro se folk, simply aren't good at doing the work of a lawyer. Why would you be? Thiers is not a skill set you can reasonably achieve by your own efforts.

So I will concede with the idea that every tradesperson knows their craft best. A Carpenter knows how to build things from wood best. A mechanic will have more skills and knowledge about cars than those outside of his or her field.

However, there are ways to obtain skills of a trade outside of obtaining certifications for some fields. Carpentry, automechanics, and legal representation fall into these categories.

Legal skills can be acquired outside of obtaining as JD just as auto mechanics can be done well without ASEs.

Certifications like "JD" and "ASE" are necessary for helping for assisting clients who do not have time to do their own work in certain areas of their life and also to ensure quality in society in the marketplace.

I do not have a JD but I have skills to represent myself. What I lacked that I have gained over time is learning how to craft my arguments on paper. Expressing every little last detail in the exact right way is not that easy.

The fact that legal representation is expensive is another debate.

So yes then, dare to dive there?

Why should a person's rights be attached to whether or not they can buy those rights back through legal representation?

Do people have rights only because they can afford to express them by hiring a lawyer?

 

[MuuMuu Bunnylips]

My one car that I own is valued at $1,500. You can't touch it.

That depends. I know a couple of guys.
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In Minecraft, obviously...

 

[mindlessobserver]

All this whining by Melinda that josh is dodging service. His lawyer is right fucking there. Just ask for service through counsel. Jesus fuck how dumb are you @TamarYaelBatYah ? And christ, after Nulls lawyer threatened to demand sanctions and the judge said he would take it under advisement you make a spurious recusal motion? You really are trying to find how much you can get away with.

 

[Salade Nicoise]

The dumbest woman, possibly ever.

 

[MuuMuu Bunnylips]

The dumbest woman, possibly ever.

And she doesn't even have the benefit of being fuckable to make up for it.



A true tragedy.

 

[talk talk talk]

I do not have a JD but I have skills to represent myself. What I lacked that I have gained over time is learning how to craft my arguments on paper. Expressing every little last detail in the exact right way is not that easy.

You don't know the difference between the Fourth Circuit and the Fourth District. Your citations are a disaster area and you haven't Shepardized any of them. You show no knowledge of either the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure or of the Local Rules. Your legal research is of the same quality as your motivated eisegesis of the Tanakh.

 

[MuuMuu Bunnylips]

You don't know the difference between the Fourth Circuit and the Fourth District. Your citations are a disaster area and you haven't Shepardized any of them. You show no knowledge of either the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure or of the Local Rules. Your legal research is of the same quality as your motivated eisegesis of the Tanakh.

Also she's a stupid-face!

 

[Hungerdunger]

So yes then, dare to dive there?

Why should a person's rights be attached to whether or not they can buy those rights back through legal representation?

Do people have rights only because they can afford to express them by hiring a lawyer?

The world never was, currently is not, and never will be entirely fair. Yet you fundamentally have more rights as a poor American than many in the world EVER will though.

Even the right to pro se represent shames many a country. But when you live in such a country, one tends to forget those freedoms, because you're used to them.

And lets not forget, for perspective, because some people are new to your specific feud with the farms, that this all started because Null thought it might be worth it to inform you of the probably illegal actions of that idiot stalker, and you overreacted.

You'd have been better off ignoring the farms, and campaigning for fellow pro se folk, and access to justice in general, as well as your general religious evangelism.

You've spent a lot of time on this place, directly and in trying to master law to a useful degree. Everything you've learned about the nature of the farms could have been gleaned in a day, and your legal actions will, no doubt, fail again. You haven't learned enough about law to make it work. I don't think you ever will. It's not even a matter of intelligence, I don't actually think you lack that, per se. I just don't think you have the right mindset.

 

[HarveySperg41]

I made this a bit ago and have been saving til now.