General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[augment]

Roboco is playing a game that is not Apex legends!!!

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

What's amazing is how Haachama lore is indistinguishable from actual IRL issues until she clarifies it. Right down to the purging of videos.

What's interesting is that the pattern of removals doesn't match any of the theories so far. People have pointed out potential issues with YouTube violence rules, copystrikes, retcons and other things but it's seemingly none of the above. In particular:

• The "void" stream is still up (not considered part of lore?)
• The Haato Minecraft streams are gone (despite being nonviolent and containing no copyright)
• The cooking stream is still up (despite containing certain lore and using her old model)
• The English message reading is still up (so it's not related to the #HololiveEN tag)
• The video announcing all of this itself contains fan-artwork and doesn't credit anyone (definitely not copyright issues then)
• Bullshit like this is up (unrelated to lore but a good example of things that are fine for some reason)

In particular the removal of the Minecraft streams makes no sense to me since those are basically 100% seiso, no violence no copyright and still mostly enjoyable out of context. I can't find a pattern to match this other than a clumsy panic removal, or some combination of esoteric factors that could disqualify her videos. Also:

• "BITCH MADE PASTA" is still YouTube Kids approved (YouTube doesn't care)

 

[augment]

What's interesting is that the pattern of removals doesn't match any of the theories so far. People have pointed out potential issues with YouTube violence rules, copystrikes, retcons and other things but it's seemingly none of the above. In particular:

• The "void" stream is still up (not considered part of lore?)
• The Haato Minecraft streams are gone (despite being nonviolent and containing no copyright)
• The cooking stream is still up (despite containing certain lore and using her old model)
• The English message reading is still up (so it's not related to the #HololiveEN tag)
• The video announcing all of this itself contains fan-artwork and doesn't credit anyone (definitely not copyright issues then)

Almost as if youtube is ran by a horde of hebrew faggots who desperately seek hollywood AAA cock.

 

[Jub-Jub]

Sora open her membership on youtube.
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Good for her. The decision to not be seen as abandoning her NND members was respectable, but it was just leaving money on the table. No ROTW person was ever going to sign up to NND.

 

[Grass4Cats]

Internally HololiveJP is considered to be an idol group but EN is a content creator group.

I can see the implication from being distinguished between idol group and content creators. So if any of you are hoping to see tako, gremlin, shork, chicken or death(or any future EN girls) in 3D, chances are that it will never happen or it's at the bottom tier of priority as 3D model development will be entirely focused on JP branch(and the boys, unsure about ID).

 

[Diya]

Haachama announce leaving on a journey of self discovery for a while. Not sure if this just refer to the new character putting on shelf or she actually having a leave. Guess we will see in a day or two. I'm leaning more on the hiatus side though. This shit must blow to have a worst ending for the arc you built up for months.

Most of the comments are understanding and supportive, then you have this 'supportive' idiot who high-key suggesting that she actually want to leave Hololive, and all the blood, sweat, and tears she spend on it. Not sure if thinly-veiled anti or an actual retard.

 

[Fcret]

Haachama announce leaving on a journey of self discovery for a while. Not sure if this just refer to the new character putting on shelf or she actually having a leave. Guess we will see in a day or two. I'm leaning more on the hiatus side though. This shit must blow to have a worst ending for the arc you built up for months.
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Most of the comments are understanding and supportive, then you have this 'supportive' idiot who high-key suggesting that she actually want to leave Hololive, and all the blood, sweat, and tears she spend on it. Not sure if thinly-veiled anti or an actual retard.

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Japanese university starts in April and ends in March, so I'm guessing it might have to do with that.

 

[Green Oil]

I can see the implication from being distinguished between idol group and content creators. So if any of you are hoping to see tako, gremlin, shork, chicken or death(or any future EN girls) in 3D, chances are that it will never happen or it's at the bottom tier of priority as 3D model development will be entirely focused on JP branch(and the boys, unsure about ID).

Then the HoloEN member dream about getting 3D is over but I highly doubt it they didn't get 3D. HoloID have same dream too to get their 3D so maybe Cover want to hold 3D debut for ID and EN to establish HoloJP idol outfit first. Heck, even Holostars still didn't get their 3D.

 

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Japanese university starts in April and ends in March, so I'm guessing it might have to do with that.

I would normally agree, but it does seem uncannily near her having to axe most of her recent content. I'd say she is taking time to really nail down with the management sphere (and I'd go so far as to say the upper tier) with what she can and can't do. The fact is, she managed to pull some serious numbers that statistically weren't going to happen. Obviously she has some marketable value and needs to figure out how that jives with the company and YT as a whole.

 

[jankhater]

Personally, I think it has to do with the chat interactions, but not necessarily the CCP insects infecting the EN chats, but the blowback coming from the EN side of things.

I actually considered mentioning almost exactly this, but wanted to keep speculation to a minimum while trying to clear up that we don't actually have much confirmed info. I do think they're more worried about the EN fan reaction to the bugmen. I'll go further to speculate they have some people with eyes on /vt/ and maybe even here and that is the sample pool of western reactions to bugmen they're working with. That's a little worse than the shit the wolf warriors have spammed.

Like would it really hurt to see if we could get someone in contact with Valve, Bethesda, or Rockstar to get some promo contracts for CS:GO, Fallout, Doom Eternal, Red Dead, GTA Online etc? I mean I get it they're kawaii animu grills and they're mostly going to attact weeb audiences, so in part it makes sense to lean into that, I guess, but every now and then I feel like I have to wonder if they really need to lean that hard into making very Japanese decisions.

When they first hit, EN was definitely targetted as girls speaking English for a primarily JP audience, but I think that was more down to the venture being a huge gamble at the time. I've said it before, but they're successful in retrospect while at the time there was no guarantee that EOPs would skip the streams and watch only third-party clips.

To this point specifically, Japanese people just don't have those Western connections. I've personally helped some Japanese professional friends make connections way, way above my league just because I was their only option and willing to give it a shot.

till someone says something wrong and the next thing you see is them choking each other out live on stream and starting another civil war.
also the poor subbers.

They wouldn't be able to choke each other out, just seethe and be hilarious.

I‘m a 30 year old divorced lonely sack of shit who sometimes holds a cup of coffee/tea against his face to feel some sort of warmth in his life.
I think I‘m ready to embrace this abyss.

I reacted with a heart which is way more pathetic. You are clear.

 

[Jaeger]

is this how it feels to go on dates with a cute girl bros?
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No. In some ways, though, it's better.

After you go on enough dates you start to realize that half the time, staying home and jacking off would have been cheaper and the sex probably better.

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

Haachama announce leaving on a journey of self discovery for a while. Not sure if this just refer to the new character putting on shelf or she actually having a leave. Guess we will see in a day or two. I'm leaning more on the hiatus side though. This shit must blow to have a worst ending for the arc you built up for months.

Haachama streaming on LiveLeak confirmed?

 

[kadmckool]

I can see the implication from being distinguished between idol group and content creators. So if any of you are hoping to see tako, gremlin, shork, chicken or death(or any future EN girls) in 3D, chances are that it will never happen or it's at the bottom tier of priority as 3D model development will be entirely focused on JP branch(and the boys, unsure about ID).

No EN 3D vs the boys is like picking up a rock and drop on your feet. Unless COVER was hating money then they can go that way. On the other hand, if HoloEN branch has enough capital to self sustain, then they can definitely makes a studio for 3D recording and make it even more grandeur than JP due to the fact that there are more English speaking audiences. I understand your argument but unless COVER embrace the "Japaneses isolationist and anti gaijin culture" I think it will be stupid not to rush EN 3D before the Holostars.

Right now the western entertainment is suffering from a political nonsense infestation. People watch Vtubers like Hololive due to the girls being apolitical and this acts as a low blow against all current old lefties entertainment in the west. People would rather go back to good old entertainment to escape every daily live nonsense than go watch lefties e-thots virtue signaling nonsense. This is how Nyanners and Ironmouse manage to hold Vshojo together as most live watches since they distance themselves from politics (for now). Plus Nyanners is set herself up as the anchor of Vshojo (the rest of them are pretty much background to promote herself).

Holo3D performance in the west especially North America will get a lot of audience due to people tired of Hollywood and Disney trashes. If COVER capitalized and smart, they can just do some research on NA's entertainment market and they will start to see the shift in culture (I never expected to actually go to the cinema to watch anime movie like Heaven's Feel II). My guess is that they will get a full house on their first NA 3D performance maybe get some affordable venue in Las Vegas. Once that successful initial impression, there will be a true shift to the current western entertainment culture.

Alternatively they can just embrace their BS culture of "anti gaijin" and see HoloEN branch get bought off or IPO down the line by some money-loving weeb investors.

 

[bigoogabaloogas]

It's scary. Quite alot of (the established) Japanese companies are so stubborn for foreign markets that both Korea and China actually looked at its cracks and slip through covering rest of the market where JP either didn't want to reach or just half assed it. And you can really see the results on basically many fronts, like electronics and entertainment.

I think that's probably the reason Kancolle never really took hold in the West, but Azur Lane did.

 

[Burnt Fish]

if HoloEN branch has enough capital to self sustain, then they can definitely makes a studio for 3D recording and make it even more grandeur than JP due to the fact that there are more English speaking audiences.

it's a lot more difficult due to logistics more so than capital.

Calli is in Japan, Kiara in Austria, Ina in Canada, and Ame and Gura in the US. EN is spread out across 3 continents and 4 countries. The logistics of a 3d recording studio are infinitely more complicated than it is in JP where it's just "Get on train to tokyo and go to the studio" as a day trip.

 

[horni]

This is why we need HoloBalkans

izvorna muzika 24h marathon karaoke when

Spoiler: sure hit

I‘m a 30 year old divorced lonely sack of shit who sometimes holds a cup of coffee/tea against his face to feel some sort of warmth in his life.
I think I‘m ready to embrace this abyss.

"this big titty dragon and horni pirate cosplayer are entertaining! Gee I hope I won't develop any parasocial relations with these animated characters"

In all seriousness though, enjoy your stay. Last 14 or so months brought many negative changes that we need some pick-me-ups.

 

[ElUltimoMohicano]

it's a lot more difficult due to logistics more so than capital.

Calli is in Japan, Kiara in Austria, Ina in Canada, and Ame and Gura in the US. EN is spread out across 3 continents and 4 countries. The logistics of a 3d recording studio are infinitely more complicated than it is in JP where it's just "Get on train to tokyo and go to the studio" as a day trip.

While it wouldn't solve the problem of the English speaking talent being so spread out, I'd have to imagine there are rent-a-studios to do a mocap stream for a day or so.

If not, that might be a business opportunity.

But what's to keep them from going the HTC Vive route like ArtemisBlue? (not to be confused with Artemis Of The Blue) You could do 3D streams out of your apartment with this shit, only problem is no collabs, and no hand tracking but Holo hand tracking is shit anyway. They got Live2D tracking shit running on iPhones and thus theoretically is firmly within consumer price ranges. Making something similar for pick-your-favorite-VR-Kit is probably within reason as well.

 

[Scale Smerch]

There's also no real idol culture for them to connect to here and the strictures of Japan's idol culture are, to put it bluntly, somewhat offensive to western sensibilities. The nearest thing we had (in the US anyway) were Disney stars like the Jonas Brothers which everyone other than Christian fundamentalists either derided or found creepy.

As a follow up she also had the same slide in japanese and she said something interesting. Internally HololiveJP is considered to be an idol group but EN is a content creator group. That's probably why theu did away with the gen concept. It also must thereby make sense that priority is placed on other creative talents rather than speaking japanese or even singing for that matter.

It's subtle things like this which lead me to believe Cover isn't as commercially Japanese as some automatically believe. While it could just be the company trying to broaden its horizons, more likely is someone (e.g. Coco) having enough sway to get them to pursue a strategy more favorable to Western audiences.

The North American market after all has nothing immediately comparable to the idol industry. You could consider the fawning over actors and mainstream music artists (e.g. the Jonas Brothers, the Beatles) in the same category, but neither are really similar because it's always in the context of their productions - i.e. movies and music. Idols in East Asia are themselves the product, and it's this paradigm that will likely never catch on here in a 3D way because it's just not easy converting the concept into what we collectively like. Although I admit it would be utterly hilarious to see a jogger trying to fling his mixtape from an idol stage instead of the local hooker corner - now that's cultural exchange!

By extension it's also why I think the only groups who will find broad success in western markets are the likes of Cover and Niji. Hololive EN is getting the numbers it does both because it's first and it's not inherently western - it's 2D waifu visuals wrapped up with suitable gamer and weeb material that avoids all the potholes - i.e. politics and pronouns. Opportunists like VShojo will try to capitalize in their shadow, but they just don't fully understand or appreciate why people are turning to vtubers in the first place and thus inhibit themselves. Right now the audience wants the authentic experience and will reward those talents who can provide it. And if they can do it in the audience's native language too, well you've hit gold - smol shorks eating pizza in the tub prove the point thrice over.

Never underestimate a Japanese any company's ability to set up idiotic levels of bureaucracy.

Fixed that for ya.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

Haachama announce leaving on a journey of self discovery for a while. Not sure if this just refer to the new character putting on shelf or she actually having a leave. Guess we will see in a day or two. I'm leaning more on the hiatus side though. This shit must blow to have a worst ending for the arc you built up for months.
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My personal rrat is that she couldn't think of a satisfactory ending, but didn't want to just call the whole thing off. Simply put it's far too difficult for her to write an ending that doesn't crimp her future work, while being conclusive and satisfactory (to her, anyway. Remember, artists often hate their own work). On top of it she imposed a deadline on herself (3/3) which is just shortly after another stream, limiting her thinking and preparation time. There's no explanation whatsoever of the "rules" she cited, so I think she's just going to have them mysteriously vanish when she's prepared to finish this off.

While it wouldn't solve the problem of the English speaking talent being so spread out, I'd have to imagine there are rent-a-studios to do a mocap stream for a day or so.

If not, that might be a business opportunity.

But what's to keep them from going the HTC Vive route like ArtemisBlue? (not to be confused with Artemis Of The Blue) You could do 3D streams out of your apartment with this shit, only problem is no collabs, and no hand tracking (Holo hand tracking is shit anyway)

Certainly the mocap is not an issue when Coco is able to afford one for her home. COVER is quite dogmatic with treating their talents equally, one notes that EN doesn't have second outfits yet despite being orders of magnitude more popular than Holostars. Holostars simply receives the outfit because they debuted first and thus receive it first.

3D models on the other hand are utterly erratic. Again this is not ordered by popularity, since Rikka got a 3D but Nene did not (despite mentioning she wanted one, I think?). So there's something else going on there, perhaps it's simply based on who has free time to get fitted for one, whose artist has time to work on it or whatever HoloGra is trying to make. I think that while mocap can be done anywhere with the right setup, the actual rigging and mapping probably has to be done in person, which excludes overseas talents. Though that's no excuse not to give Calli a 3D.

Also, fuck Artroonis for ruining the name of a channel that's over 2 years old.

 

[The Burning Giraffe]

JENMA is not Japanese according to Marine

Yeah checks out with how Kiara described her too.