Game of Thrones Thread

To be fair, Henry Cavill is apparently an insane gamer. He insisted on being Geralt in The Witcher and apparently really digs RPGs, so I can see him being interested in being in any Mass Effect films or shows. Shepard or not (Personally I see the showrunners favouring FemShep, with Cavill providing voice work for Garrus)
Well fuck, I respect him more now and kinda want to watch Netflix's Witcher.

I could've seen him in GoT after watching The Tudors. Everything about his personal plot after the Boleyns got chopped was fantastic, especially his guilt over the northern rebellion. He killed that role, though the guy he portrayed was actually ugly irl. The man could've done good as Jaime or Jorah. Weird how he was never picked up.
 
Even then though, the Mass Effect series is still limping along. It's nowhere near as big as it was, in between 3 killing all goodwill and BioWare's talent going down the shitter, but it's still alive if only just barely, what with the attempted soft reboot of Andromeda and announcement of a new game.

Mass Effect 3 fucking up the ending should have been an object lesson.

You can fellate the first two games all you want. I for one think the first one is good and the second one is really good. Even the opening of the third one isn't all bad. But you cannot replay them without knowing that all that awaits you is that you get to choose the colour of the explosion at the end, and that all your companions' character development is shat on more often than not, and that everyone's sacrifice and hard work and effort can be overwritten by a pointless ternary choice.

Worse still, they jettisoned the most compelling plot point from the second game. You know when you go and pick up Tali on Haestrom she says she's doing some research into how certain suns are becoming red giants prematurely? Well, it was going to be, I heard, that the side effects of using mass effect technology was to give off loads of dark energy which accumulates in the cores of stars over time and makes them age faster, and this was going to be the real reason behind the Reapers existing in the first place, because without bombing the entire galaxy back to the Stone Age every so often it risks bringing about the heat death of the universe prematurely.

But, nah, you get to pick the colour of the explosion. And humans are speshul after all.

(Then again, they kinda stole a load of stuff from Star Control and Star Control 2: The Ur-Quan Masters in the first place. All-female race of nude psychics? Check. Warlike avian race that you have to gain the trust of by appealing to their sense of honour? Check. Self-destructive pachyderm people who keep blowing themselves up? Check. Insectoid race whose entire hat is being evil for its own sake? Check. Crazy prepared race of physically weak but deeply cunning little critters? Check. Skittery and fundamentally untrustworthy scientist race? Eldritch beings that you have to make a pact with to get the best ending but which are probably only treating it as an alliance of convenience and will likely come after you next? Check. The answers to all of those could just as easily be Asari, Turian, Krogan, Rachni, Volus, Salarian, and Leviathan as it could be Syreen, Yehat, Thraddash, Ilwrath, Spathi, Umgah, and Orz.)
 
Well fuck, I respect him more now and kinda want to watch Netflix's Witcher.

there's also the story claiming he was raiding in WoW when snyder called him to tell him he got the role so didn't pick up, till he checked his phone and then called him back.
also apparently was bit of a fatso growing up, so if there's one guy you could believe is a "gamer" it's probably him. but even then still a nice enough guy from what you hear, so there's that too.

I memba Heroes was big for a bit too but I can’t remember how it ended or even why I lost interest in it.

fuck I haven't thought about heroes in ages. but I still remember every normie spouting "save the cheerleader, save the world!" like the tv version of "the cake is a lie".
I think the reason people don't remember it is because it died with a whimper instead of a bang. afair season 1 ends the story but kinda starts a new one people didn't really care anymore after that, same way no one gives a crap about a series when the "will they won't they" finally get together and it still drags on for 1-2 seasons.
 
Worse still, they jettisoned the most compelling plot point from the second game. You know when you go and pick up Tali on Haestrom she says she's doing some research into how certain suns are becoming red giants prematurely? Well, it was going to be, I heard, that the side effects of using mass effect technology was to give off loads of dark energy which accumulates in the cores of stars over time and makes them age faster, and this was going to be the real reason behind the Reapers existing in the first place, because without bombing the entire galaxy back to the Stone Age every so often it risks bringing about the heat death of the universe prematurely.
It's quite fascinating just how much foreshadowing is in the second game. It's not just Tali's recruitment mission either; Gianna Parasini mentions it if you do her sidequest and Kal'Reegar also brings it up during Tali's loyalty mission. It's actually brought up quite often, at least enough to where it sounds like a serious issue, and it's a lingering question that ultimately never gets answered. Why did the sun suddenly expand? And why is dark energy so important? Never explained, might as well never happened.

It really is incredible just how many holes 3's ending opened up for the trilogy as a whole.
 
(Then again, they kinda stole a load of stuff from Star Control and Star Control 2: The Ur-Quan Masters in the first place. All-female race of nude psychics? Check. Warlike avian race that you have to gain the trust of by appealing to their sense of honour? Check. Self-destructive pachyderm people who keep blowing themselves up? Check. Insectoid race whose entire hat is being evil for its own sake? Check. Crazy prepared race of physically weak but deeply cunning little critters? Check. Skittery and fundamentally untrustworthy scientist race? Eldritch beings that you have to make a pact with to get the best ending but which are probably only treating it as an alliance of convenience and will likely come after you next? Check. The answers to all of those could just as easily be Asari, Turian, Krogan, Rachni, Volus, Salarian, and Leviathan as it could be Syreen, Yehat, Thraddash, Ilwrath, Spathi, Umgah, and Orz.)

The Reapers also bear a suspicious resemblance to the Eternal Ones from the (justly) forgotten Star Control 3, but there's also more than a passing resemblance between both of them and Frederik Pohl's Assassins. Also there's the Protheans and the Precursors, although I'll give Mass Effect the nod on having the better ancient race (one of the reasons SC3 deserves to be abandoned).
 
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fuck I haven't thought about heroes in ages. but I still remember every normie spouting "save the cheerleader, save the world!" like the tv version of "the cake is a lie".
I think the reason people don't remember it is because it died with a whimper instead of a bang. afair season 1 ends the story but kinda starts a new one people didn't really care anymore after that, same way no one gives a crap about a series when the "will they won't they" finally get together and it still drags on for 1-2 seasons.
I watched Heroes and Lost in part because my friend, who was a roommate at the time, was obsessed with both. I was more invested in Lost. Considering how it and Star Wars ended I’m surprised that Jar Jar Abrams can still land a gig. I’m convinced his mystery box bs is just setting up the audience for massive disappointment.

His approach is not all that different from George’s analogy to a garden. Imo an ending needs to be planned or it’s going to be extremely disappointing.. planning an ending is also a lot more work too.
 
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Lost at the very least had pretty compelling characters. They were not always written consistently, nor do I think they reached their full potential. But I still look back on them fondly, flawed as it ended. The ending itself is incredibly retarded and ridiculous, but I still feel emotions when watching it. It's a huge clusterfuck but I still feel the experience behind it. It's bullshit, but it's emotionally resonant bullshit at the very least.

Which is nothing like how GoT ended. Everything is lazy and insincere and looking to be over with. You can feel that no one gave a shit about the characters at the end, or their journey.
 
Then again, they kinda stole a load of stuff from Star Control and Star Control 2
It's been a decade since i played Freespace 2, so I am a bit fuzzy on the details, but they had a race that periodically comes around to kill everything in the universe too. After a bit of googling it turns out there's a a lot of similarities between the two franchises on a story level. Not that I mind retelling similar stories if it's done well, but well... it didn't end well.
 
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It's been over 10 years now and Winds of Winter is still in production.
Hopefully, it'll be published in my lifetime.
I've come to terms it will never come. Roy Dotrice was my personal homunculus hour glass - when he dies, my hope for Winds dies. Watching the series rape itself through House of the Dragon et all. provides it's own entertainment.
 
FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED GEORGE GODDAMN

The fact that this obese buffoon entertained comparisons as the American Tolkien is fucking embarrassing. At least Tolkien finished his main work before indulging in the meandering worldbuilding material in the Silmarillion. This fucker is finding every excuse he can to work on things besides A Song of Ice and Fire.
 
FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED GEORGE GODDAMN

The fact that this obese buffoon entertained comparisons as the American Tolkien is fucking embarrassing. At least Tolkien finished his main work before indulging in the meandering worldbuilding material in the Silmarillion. This fucker is finding every excuse he can to work on things besides A Song of Ice and Fire.
a big fatty making a super edgy and """"subversive""""" series of books and ignoring the books to focus on shitty tv shows is exactly what an American Tolkein would do tbf.
 
FINISH WHAT YOU STARTED GEORGE GODDAMN

The fact that this obese buffoon entertained comparisons as the American Tolkien is fucking embarrassing. At least Tolkien finished his main work before indulging in the meandering worldbuilding material in the Silmarillion. This fucker is finding every excuse he can to work on things besides A Song of Ice and Fire.
It's pretty fucking ironic that in a decade nobody will remember A Song of Ice and Fire but The Witcher will still be loved.
 
Some recent blogposts from RR Martin's site. Mentions how the Reaper's picking off more members of his generation, we all know he doesn't have much time left either (very sad though).

comments on how the SandKings production has been under way for a long time and he hasn't worked on it for a while, confused why media outlets are only reporting on it now.

It's a useless question but him constantly talking about how he's constantly working on Winds will never not be baffling. What's even more baffling is him talking about projects he wants to work on after Winds, which is bordering on delusion and teetering on lolcow behavior.

It's a really fascinating rut he's found himself in and entertaining in its own right, although I hope he stops feeling sad :(

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All he has to do is sit his fat ass down and plot out the ENDING to ASOIAF, then finish it. He can hire writers to help and edit but he has to finish it. He does everything but work on it. After S8 of Game of Thrones no one cares about it anymore. The only way they might is if he finishes it and its drastically and better that the garbage D&D vomited into HBO but until them he's the guy who can't finish his work and let a couple Hollywood morons destroy it while he indulged himself with his newfound wealth. Every prequel or side story, all his other projects, no one has any interest in those. The HBO ending ruined it forever unless he finishes and its brilliant and miles better than S8 but until then, don't care.

A multi-millionaire sad over life's natural progression does not elicit any sympathy or respect from me; California's teeming with them.
 
All he has to do is sit his fat ass down and plot out the ENDING to ASOIAF, then finish it. He can hire writers to help and edit but he has to finish it. He does everything but work on it. After S8 of Game of Thrones no one cares about it anymore. The only way they might is if he finishes it and its drastically and better that the garbage D&D vomited into HBO but until them he's the guy who can't finish his work and let a couple Hollywood morons destroy it while he indulged himself with his newfound wealth. Every prequel or side story, all his other projects, no one has any interest in those. The HBO ending ruined it forever unless he finishes and its brilliant and miles better than S8 but until then, don't care.

A multi-millionaire sad over life's natural progression does not elicit any sympathy or respect from me; California's teeming with them.
I think he's terrified of failure because he recognizes the book series, above all else, is his magnum opus He cannot let his series unravel and become as universally hated as the show. I think he lives in constant fear, and considers the short amount of time he likely has left worrying about the outcome of his story rather than actually being productive with it.

He dreams and tells himself what he'll do once Winds is over, in reality he doesn't biologically have the time. The story became way the fuck out of whack after Feast and Dance. It's way beyond the scope he originally envisioned and he's terrified about the reality that he cannot wrap up the story in 7 books and he would be lucky to resolve the story in 10.

also lmao fat
 
I think he's terrified of failure because he recognizes the book series, above all else, is his magnum opus He cannot let his series unravel and become as universally hated as the show. I think he lives in constant fear, and considers the short amount of time he likely has left worrying about the outcome of his story rather than actually being productive with it.

He dreams and tells himself what he'll do once Winds is over, in reality he doesn't biologically have the time. The story became way the fuck out of whack after Feast and Dance. It's way beyond the scope he originally envisioned and he's terrified about the reality that he cannot wrap up the story in 7 books and he would be lucky to resolve the story in 10.

also lmao fat
Yes, I agree with you 100% but he can finish it in 5 months or less, especially if he contracts out some writing. He can write what all day long and let an editor sort it out. He may not be 100% pleased with it but at least it will have ended, to everyone's satisfaction.

I will bet money a fanfiction writer could do it, maybe even do it better.

These are all things he should have considered and done years ago. He can't because he doesn't want to end it. All the fans, the emails, all that diminishes the moment its over. So he just puts it off.
 
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These are all things he should have considered and done years ago. He can't because it he doesn't want to end it. All the fans, the emails, all that diminishes the moment its over. So he just puts it off.
It would have been smart to grab a couple somewhat experienced fantasy writers, tell them to write up a few short stories set in Westeros that will be released in an anthology and look whose style fits well into RR Martin's writing. Then have the best of those write a full novel or two set in Westeros and make sure they don't repeat the "I hate this character, therefore I will make him an idiot"-shit that Dumb and Dumber did.
And then, if push comes to shove, use those writers to conclude the story with Martin or at least set them up with notes and plot ideas for the future in case Martin bites it.

If he dies now, our best shot will be fanfiction tier writers. The publishers won't let this story remain without a propper end, they will hire someone the moment Martin keels over (hell, maybe that's what they are actually waiting and hoping for?)... the question is: Will it be worth it? And given how quality usually drops in events like these, all signs point to no.
Flanderization was a huge issue when the books were translated into the show and by S8 every remaining character was a carricature of his original self, it would hard to avoid that with books. And if the writer goes "tits, gore and swearing, that's what the kids love about these books!", it'll be an abortion on page 1.
 
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