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Reading the thread about TIMs taking over ABTF subreadit has inspired me to tell my own story of how TIMs behave in bra stores.

I have owned a lingerie store for over 20 years. We have always had a very open policy to helping men who wanted to wear women's lingerie as long as they were respectful and followed our rules ie: no men trying on lingerie with only one salesperson on the floor. I taught my staff to be no more than professional when helping men buy lingerie for themselves, to be very careful and not to react to anything they said except with indifference. We never knew if men were trying to live out some sexual fantasy when shopping with us, where they get off on our shock or their humiliation, so never to feed into that.

Over the last decade or so we have had less and less of those types of encounters and more and more requests from TIMs for bra fittings. It took me years to realize how much more abusive and taxing the requests from "trans women" were than from our previous male customers. At least before I knew what to be aware of and I could ban someone from the store for their behaviour. With TIMs I always feel like I am walking on eggshells. Like if I don't treat these encounters exactly like how they believe I treat my female customers that I (and my business) could suffer repercussions.

Fitting TIMs made me realize that, no, transwomen are not women. I have never been treated the way TIMs treat me in a fitting by women. TIMs are unbelievably picky when it comes to bras. Women have an understanding that bras are challenging to find the right fit. TIMs demand that I find them bras that make their chest look like it is on a different body. Even when I find them the bra that fits, makes their chest look how they want it to look and is the exact type of lace and cut they want they do not buy it. Less then 10% of my encounters with TIMs have resulted in sales and most of these fittings are upwards of an hour long (taking me away from my other customers and work. Meanwhile, when I fit women and developing girls, 95% of those fittings result in a sale. TIMs are super demanding and high maintenance. They require you to stroke their egos and tell you how great they look in bras that I know they are not going to buy anyway. They complain that implants isn't covered by the government, meanwhile I have to pay if I want to reduce my very very large natural breasts. I find it funny how people who claim to be persecuted women have the exact same attitude of entitlement of white rich men.

About 3 years ago I had an experience with a TIM that made me change my mind about how I feel about "trans women". At first I didn't realize that he was a man. He was asking me what I he could wear with a strapless dress. I told him we had some great strapless bras.

"Oh no" he said "my breasts are way too big for a strapless bra."

"I know in the past there haven't been good options for strapless bras but now there are great options even for busty women. I have performed dance recitals in this one." I pointed to a bra that I works great for even my 38HH sized breasts.

"My breasts are much bigger than yours. It may work for you and I wish I could wear it but it won't work they are very heavy" he replied. I looked at him, he looked like a 34G which is 5 sizes smaller than me and tried to assure him (all the while thinking he was a woman) that he could wear a strapless bra.

When I got him into the change room and he took off his dress I saw that he didn't have anything that resembled breasts at all. He was completely flat chested. He was wearing a completely hollow bra. This man was trying to dismiss my struggles with my real breasts and finding a bra to fit and support them with his imaginary breasts.

He did end up in buying a bra from us that day. The bra that he had worn in he had bought from us too. At the cash he said to me. "I look so great in this bra. All the men at work always tell me how great my tits look when I wear it."

"I'm so sorry you experienced that" I said "you should report them to HR".

"No, I love it" he said "My tits look great and everybody notices it" Then there was lots of lewd gesturing on his part.

It was a very upsetting interaction. I stayed polite and professional the whole time. But it was infuriating to have my lived experience with my breasts undermined by someone with imaginary breasts.

I didn't peak at this point. But I did decide "No, transwomen are not women".
I peeked at your responses on Overit... There aboslutely is a type of transwomen who enjoy dressing like grannies. I don't get it... Maybe it goes along with the ones who dress like 12-year olds. They're too stuck to their concept of "ideal womanhood" to look around at what the women their age are actually wearing?

I guess men, on the average, aren't known for being particularly fashion savvy, and that must carry over to transitioning.
 
i said smarter than TIMs, and not "smart". that's a low bar lol. also, autism or insanity =/= intelligence (e.g. terry davis)
i do go a little easier on FTMs because nearly all of them aren't literal pedophiles or rapists and a lot of them wake up.
What's the point in asserting they're smarter if they inevitably fall for the same trap? Theres plenty of evidence of ftms being sex pests as well, just look up the disgusting subreddits they have dedicated to it. Mtf's arent all pedophiles or rapists either, theres obviously a bias on this site and in talking about them in general to bring up the biggest freaks of the bunch. When you're trying to combat a group you should be taking the most mundane and inoffensive individuals to task, otherwise you build up a strawman and when that strawman inevitably doesn't live up to the expectations people regard you as a loon. Theres mountains to criticizes about both ftm's and mtf's without resorting to "pedophiles and rapists".
 
Update on the two x chromosomes mess: All but one of the top posts is about men now
At first I thought this was a raid, but then I saw "Transition Thursday". What happened? Did it start as a raid and then get the stamp of approval, or was this planned by the subreddit in advance?
Gotta be honest, there are a lot of beat-ass troons not putting in any effort and it's a real pleasure to drag them, but there are some troons who actually do put in the effort and who I would be hard-pressed to clock. I don't understand the point of going after those people when there are plenty of bearded men in dresses to poke sticks at. Maybe my eyes aren't as attuned to this or whatever but some of the trans women in this thread look woman enough that I wouldn't give them a second glance if I saw them in public. Then again I'm sure it's different in real life but I'm just saying.
You can clock them irl just fine. Even the best-passing trans person I ever met kept setting off my "something is weird" senses until I figured it out.
 
At first I thought this was a raid, but then I saw "Transition Thursday". What happened? Did it start as a raid and then get the stamp of approval, or was this planned by the subreddit in advance?

You can clock them irl just fine. Even the best-passing trans person I ever met kept setting off my "something is weird" senses until I figured it out.
I know one or two who pass well enough that I'd be scared to ask. But the longer you hang out with them, and the more they stop worrying about keeping their voices high, the more you notice the little things. Like... the male bone structure walks different... And hands are big... and faces are weirdly wide because guys have bigger skulls... and bio women have hips and waists, and differently angled hipbones.
 
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That they are fucked all around, not just on inside, but on outside as well? IDK.

If it was about dysphoria it should be just ketchup chucked in original glue bottle with proper label and same goes with the glue – should be chucked in original ketchup bottle with proper label that matches bottle. That could be a metaphor for what they are going through – the soul (content) being in wrong body (packaging) and feeling weird about that hence dysphoria.

The proper caption for this pic should be "you can't describe transitioning with a single picture" and then the picture as a proof that you can. Because that is what is there – the glue bottle dressed up as ketchup, and ketchup bottle dressed up as glue. But you can still see from near and far that it is tiny FTM glue and ogre-sized MTF ketchup.

Or perhaps they have the dysphoria even after transitioning (since they are still clockable as glue/ketchup even when dressed as the other one? But that would call for different caption, something like "you can't describe dysphoria after transitioning with a single picture".
 
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More research done on Otokonokos shit. I'm not even going to try to spell that right. Anyhow, no, that company listed doesn't manufacture anything. The issue however isn't that. In fact, it might be worse. If the company was making it, it'd be legitimate hormones, just not made for humans. It could have just been made for horses.

No, the actual issue here is, this person is making them in their basement, as what I can tell a first-year med student Libertarian, using unsafe procedures.

There's not a whole lot to dig up. The troons in the Discord are mad at the packaging because it 'sexualizes transgirls' and "OH MY GOD IT REFERENCES TRAPS."

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This is the funniest shit. The issue isn't with the DIY hormones from some anonymous stranger in another country, it's that there's a gorl on the package.
 
What's the point in asserting they're smarter if they inevitably fall for the same trap? Theres plenty of evidence of ftms being sex pests as well, just look up the disgusting subreddits they have dedicated to it. Mtf's arent all pedophiles or rapists either, theres obviously a bias on this site and in talking about them in general to bring up the biggest freaks of the bunch. When you're trying to combat a group you should be taking the most mundane and inoffensive individuals to task, otherwise you build up a strawman and when that strawman inevitably doesn't live up to the expectations people regard you as a loon. Theres mountains to criticizes about both ftm's and mtf's without resorting to "pedophiles and rapists".
I’m game. Post some FTM sex pests here and I will ruthlessly criticize them.
 
Are the troons (male or female) slowly, hesitantly, starting to move away from their notion that TWAW & TMAM?
I was looking through this collection of tweets by trans men once again. It's basically young women and girls, on testosterone, too dumb to comprehend that gay men won't fuck them.
I peeked through that a little bit and good lord, look at this woman.

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Also ketchup = blood/period.

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Wow it's almost like forcing down your breasts for extended periods of time without letting them breathe is a horrible idea that absolutely no one knew about even though the consequences of the unsafe practices have been documented for years in that one breast smashing african tribe.
 
I peeked through that a little bit and good lord, look at this woman.

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don't even know where to begin with this lmao, this is one of the most deranged TIFs i've literally ever seen.

a) someone let you down easy because he's a HOMOSEXUAL male and you had to bitch for paragraphs about it!
b) the "it's fine to reject me... BUT it's irrational and you're a bigot" riley j. dennis school of sexual browbeating
c) WHAT ARE THESE PHRASES. "tasty earlobes", "dramatically asymmetrical penis", and "strapless"... lmfao!

winning, inviting attitude that will totally make up for the fact that gay men aren't into you in the first place.
seriously wtf is this. if i was evil enough to try to guilt someone into fucking me, i'd be more strategic about it.
 
I peeked through that a little bit and good lord, look at this woman.

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So she's basically saying that men can't get it up for her? I don't think I would be bragging about that.

Also, if I reject someone, and then they start pestering me on why I did so, I will be brutally honest with them on why exactly I have no goddamn interest in them. If they fixate on that, that's their problem, not mine.
 
don't even know where to begin with this lmao, this is one of the most deranged TIFs i've literally ever seen.

a) someone let you down easy because he's a HOMOSEXUAL male and you had to bitch for paragraphs about it!
b) the "it's fine to reject me... BUT it's irrational and you're a bigot" riley j. dennis school of sexual browbeating
c) WHAT ARE THESE PHRASES. "tasty earlobes", "dramatically asymmetrical penis", and "strapless"... lmfao!

winning, inviting attitude that will totally make up for the fact that gay men aren't into you in the first place.
seriously wtf is this. if i was evil enough to try to guilt someone into fucking me, i'd be more strategic about it.
"It's not corrective rape when I do it"
 
I peeked through that a little bit and good lord, look at this woman.

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First of all lady people are allowed give a reason why they aren't interested and it's not inherently bad. Actually many people find that explanation gives closure and helps to move on. Getting rejected tends hurt no matter what but it can really stay with you if don't know what went wrong. Sure healthy people move on without that information but it's often faster when you know what you did wrong. It's perfectly natural instinct to go over one's failures to learn from but it's hard to do that if you are missing info. Did miss read the signals, did something kill the budding romance, is there a possibility of mind changing and so on. So giving a reason is automatically cruel at all just because you have different preferences.

Second what is in pants matters especially when it's about sex. I'm not just talking about if you have an innie or an outie, all of those unusual cis arrangements will make or brake relationship. Also fake dicks aren't real dicks and don't function like one.
 
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