Attack on Titan Griefing Thread - >tfw even your VA thinks that you're a loser

How will Eren be stopped?


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Well, Before the Fall is infinitely better than AoT itself and explores the world and lore.
Better art, better characters, and the designs of the titans are more interesting and intimidating instead of goofy or crude, with some even having an imposing troll or ogre-like appearance. Would be nice if the author of that was allowed to deviate from the main series and take the lore in a difference direction. Hell the characters and ideas are wasted on being an AoT spinoff.
 
Better art, better characters, and the designs of the titans are more interesting and intimidating instead of goofy or crude, with some even having an imposing troll or ogre-like appearance. Would be nice if the author of that was allowed to deviate from the main series and take the lore in a difference direction. Hell the characters and ideas are wasted on being an AoT spinoff.
That's what's so sad about it. If he were in charge of AoT, it'd be a wholly different manga. But unfortunately, its tied to this shit pile.
 
In the manga, for YEARS, it was acting like he had some big plan in the bag.
For the life of me, I cannot sympathize. Very early on, I thought that the story would end like that one Dr. Seuss book about the Sneetches, and then I realized the rest of the world would still hate them. Even then, "genocide" sounds like a rather big plan.

You don't need to kill the entire world. You can easily cripple it. So why kill literally everyone? There's no answer given.
And the entire world doesn't have to annihilate Paradis-- they can just take the Founder. Why does Willy call for total war?

More salient, though, is that since the Marleyan Warriors were introduced in full, it was revealed that there have been several characters who consider the problem of hatred and how to solve it once and for all. Gabi wants to show the world that there are good Eldians, still relying on the world to give them their rights. Pieck recognizes the futility of this especially when they become worthless to Marley after the capture of the Founder, and understands that they need to get their "human rights" by their own hands. Zeke hates his life because his father raised him to be a tool, so he figures it would have been better for no Eldian to have been born at all, especially into a world that hates them and wants them gone. In contrast, Eren desires freedom and will never accept laying down to die after being neutered-- in that case, he's willing to take freedom away from those (i.e. the world) who wish to take it away from him. Minor characters like Sasha's father go on about their "forest" metaphor and how they need to at least save the kids from perpetuating their harmful inclinations.

This objection's been raised in this thread and also in the narrative, but consider the following: for how long would they have to keep this up? In the first place, the plan means that Historia's whole family line becomes breeders because you need to maintain a royal lineage to act as the key to the Founder's powers. But you're still killing tons of people, and more will rise from the hoi polloi to the military to fight against you. They don't positively value Eldian lives, there's no foothold that exists that allows for them to assert their "right" to life, and they also sit on a coveted resource (iceburst stone). Without also following Zeke's euthanasia plan, they're stuck crippling the militaries of the world in perpetuity... until the rest of the world overcomes the power of the Titans like what was already happening in the war following Marley's loss of the Colossal.

What's even more hilarious is that for everyone in the scouts, NO ONE, NOT ONE gives him an alternative option. They hem and haw and go "But that is wrong Eren." He's literally screaming in their faces to give him something, literally fucking anything, and they don't. They don't give him a single fucking thing. Which means while Erens idea is fucking retarded, everyone is more retarded than Eren because they cannot think of a single alternative idea.
That's... that's the point. It's not even that they don't give him an alternative option-- it's that they exhaust every option they can think of that could have possibly netted them lasting peace without having to make breeders out of Historia's family line. The net result of the diplomacy that they pursued is that they found one desperate ally on the ropes in their home country that really wants their resources and nobody else, not even Eldians from elsewhere, are willing to unite in solidarity for their cause, because a global scapegoat that's largely justified in being a global scapegoat is very convenient for everyone else.

Eren feels like a pawn because nobody takes him fucking seriously and idiotically, constantly disregards him and his warnings. Again, this only works if everyone is a fucking retard. You've got a living weapon and a guy who can see the future says that, barring nothing changes, all of Paradis dies, so help him out. They just lock him up and go "Well, we'll try diplomacy with a society that feeds little girls to dogs and has rape camps and has tortured us for two centuries even though we had nothing to do with anything. Bye."
They lock him up after the Liberio raid because he was still a soldier and he went AWOL for four years, and also humiliated them by dragging them into a plan by using his secret weapon status as leverage.

"Oh no, Eren killed the children." Give me a fucking break. How many children are Marley responsible for killing, directly and indirectly, in FAR worse and more inhumane ways? He's going to fucking war. You've given him no options. War is obvious and inevitable and civilians are always caught in the middle. Yet everyone keeps shitting on him and giving him no alternatives, which completely kills suspension of disbelief.
That's completely believable. They were tapped for options, which is on them, but how the hell would a military that's thitherto only known war against non-sentient beings and at best have faced combat against a secret service cope with now crushing human children and other civilians into paste?

And its like....wow. This silly anime can do this better than Attack on Titan can (Also don't give me that shit Eren can't do this, he controls fucking causality itself,
Eh? The Attack Titan is special in that it can view memories (however incomplete) in both directions, rather than merely inherit memories like the other Titans. But that's about it, which means that the extent of the ability is limited to passing messages between inheritors. It also begs the question of what could even be accomplished with that (the lack of presence of future ghosts in Eren's experience possibly means the end of the curse of Ymir overall since inheritance can happen randomly absent succession).

The Founding Titan's abilities are constrained to the subjects of Ymir outside of the creation of constructs. Outside of the subjects of Ymir, it's "only" a superweapon powered by the origin of organic matter.
 
Sorry for the double, but I was just re-watching another anime, The Misfit of Demon King Academy, which is basically almost a throw away show but...it does racial hatred BETTER than Attack on Titan does. Its kind of just ridiculous to see this anime and how much smarter it is. The two classes are hybrids and royals, and the hybrids are looked on as lowly scum who don't deserve anything and are mistreated. So one royal goes after the demon's mother and a bunch of his supporters and murders all of the supporters and tries to kill his mother before he intervenes.
That feeling when Misfit of the Demon King Academy is deeper than fucking Attack on Titan :story:

As a fellow degenerate that watched that anime when it came out I agree with your points. It's strange to see a throwaway anime inject themes of racism and such without them developing on the level of European/Western levels.

We had a announcement of the second season of that series, so I hope it keeps being as good bullshit it was before.
 
For the life of me, I cannot sympathize. Very early on, I thought that the story would end like that one Dr. Seuss book about the Sneetches, and then I realized the rest of the world would still hate them. Even then, "genocide" sounds like a rather big plan.


And the entire world doesn't have to annihilate Paradis-- they can just take the Founder. Why does Willy call for total war?

More salient, though, is that since the Marleyan Warriors were introduced in full, it was revealed that there have been several characters who consider the problem of hatred and how to solve it once and for all. Gabi wants to show the world that there are good Eldians, still relying on the world to give them their rights. Pieck recognizes the futility of this especially when they become worthless to Marley after the capture of the Founder, and understands that they need to get their "human rights" by their own hands. Zeke hates his life because his father raised him to be a tool, so he figures it would have been better for no Eldian to have been born at all, especially into a world that hates them and wants them gone. In contrast, Eren desires freedom and will never accept laying down to die after being neutered-- in that case, he's willing to take freedom away from those (i.e. the world) who wish to take it away from him. Minor characters like Sasha's father go on about their "forest" metaphor and how they need to at least save the kids from perpetuating their harmful inclinations.

This objection's been raised in this thread and also in the narrative, but consider the following: for how long would they have to keep this up? In the first place, the plan means that Historia's whole family line becomes breeders because you need to maintain a royal lineage to act as the key to the Founder's powers. But you're still killing tons of people, and more will rise from the hoi polloi to the military to fight against you. They don't positively value Eldian lives, there's no foothold that exists that allows for them to assert their "right" to life, and they also sit on a coveted resource (iceburst stone). Without also following Zeke's euthanasia plan, they're stuck crippling the militaries of the world in perpetuity... until the rest of the world overcomes the power of the Titans like what was already happening in the war following Marley's loss of the Colossal.
In perpetuity? Wrong. The mongols completely obliterated the Middle East. It took them centuries to recover. I don't remember the islamic nations going to war with Mongolia for centuries. If you destroy the entire world's technology, their militaries, their energy producing capabilities and their leadership, you're crippling them. That anti-titan shit? Well, its kind of hard to worry about that when winter comes and your cities are obliterated. You basically fracture the world so badly that you can't put it back together again. Genocide has not and never has been a solution.

Unless they are so rabidly retarded, that they'll all take up the stones and sticks of their destroyed civilization and swim at the island screaming like retarded racist zombies, they have much more important things to worry about. And there would be plenty of opportunists who would go to war and gain power in a fractured world once the island did its damage. The island could become fucking Atlantis, and by the time the world got its airships back, they'd be shooting them down with fucking laser cannons.

Unless they are 100% completely and utterly united and have no concerns about food or self interest, that is an unrealistic scenario. And any work that presented millions, nay billions, so singularly focused on a racist ideology to disregard their own self interest and change for power?

That is not a work I take seriously or acknowledge as good.
That's... that's the point. It's not even that they don't give him an alternative option-- it's that they exhaust every option they can think of that could have possibly netted them lasting peace without having to make breeders out of Historia's family line. The net result of the diplomacy that they pursued is that they found one desperate ally on the ropes in their home country that really wants their resources and nobody else, not even Eldians from elsewhere, are willing to unite in solidarity for their cause, because a global scapegoat that's largely justified in being a global scapegoat is very convenient for everyone else.


They lock him up after the Liberio raid because he was still a soldier and he went AWOL for four years, and also humiliated them by dragging them into a plan by using his secret weapon status as leverage.


That's completely believable. They were tapped for options, which is on them, but how the hell would a military that's thitherto only known war against non-sentient beings and at best have faced combat against a secret service cope with now crushing human children and other civilians into paste?


Eh? The Attack Titan is special in that it can view memories (however incomplete) in both directions, rather than merely inherit memories like the other Titans. But that's about it, which means that the extent of the ability is limited to passing messages between inheritors. It also begs the question of what could even be accomplished with that (the lack of presence of future ghosts in Eren's experience possibly means the end of the curse of Ymir overall since inheritance can happen randomly absent succession).

The Founding Titan's abilities are constrained to the subjects of Ymir outside of the creation of constructs. Outside of the subjects of Ymir, it's "only" a superweapon powered by the origin of organic matter.
No one suggests crippling their infrastructure. No one says destroying their governments. No one says wrecking them so bad it will take them centuries to recover and by that time the world will be so far behind Paradis. There is no suggestions other than that.

It is completely unbelievable. Tapped for options? lol.

Also, you apparently ignored the part where Armin called Dead People from the center of time and space to fight for him like the fucking avengers. There's no fucking rules for PATHs, its whatever the author wants it to be at whatever time it is. There's no rhyme or reason to it. It has no rules. None of this does. It happens because.
 
In perpetuity? Wrong. The mongols completely obliterated the Middle East. It took them centuries to recover. I don't remember the islamic nations going to war with Mongolia for centuries. If you destroy the entire world's technology, their militaries, their energy producing capabilities and their leadership, you're crippling them. That anti-titan shit? Well, its kind of hard to worry about that when winter comes and your cities are obliterated. You basically fracture the world so badly that you can't put it back together again.
So... they just need to kill a lot of people and make everyone else's lives a living hell, indirectly killing tons of other people from societal breakdown and hardship. Meanwhile, they didn't resolve the issue of the rest of the world hating them on account of them being made a global scapegoat or the fact that they sit on a very valuable resource, so the rest of the world will have even more reason to hate them after they wreck their shit and indirectly (as opposed to directly) kill tons of people.

The Islamic empires didn't continue fighting with the Mongols because the Mongols conquered the Islamic empires. They were subjugated entirely. Now subjugation is a plan... but that's just a cycling back to the Eldian empire of old. Soon enough they'll have a King Karl the Kuck II who jeopardizes his people as he runs back to ɹɐɔsɐƃɐpɐW with only a portion of them and wipes all their memories-- or better yet, the Founder-Royalty dyad system will break down and the monarch will claim the power of the Founder and become another King Karl the Kuck.

Genocide has not and never has been a solution.
Something something Carthāgō dēlenda est.

It's certainly not a moral solution, even in the context of war, but uh... the rest of the world committed to genociding them.
Also, you apparently ignored the part where Armin called Dead People from the center of time and space to fight for him like the fucking avengers. There's no fucking rules for PATHs, its whatever the author wants it to be at whatever time it is.
So, basically, what Eren was already doing, which is squarely within the "Titan creation" and "Titan control" abilities of the Founder, but turned against him because the Titans being summoned technically have wills.
 
So... they just need to kill a lot of people and make everyone else's lives a living hell, indirectly killing tons of other people from societal breakdown and hardship. Meanwhile, they didn't resolve the issue of the rest of the world hating them on account of them being made a global scapegoat or the fact that they sit on a very valuable resource, so the rest of the world will have even more reason to hate them after they wreck their shit and indirectly (as opposed to directly) kill tons of people.

The Islamic empires didn't continue fighting with the Mongols because the Mongols conquered the Islamic empires. They were subjugated entirely. Now subjugation is a plan... but that's just a cycling back to the Eldian empire of old. Soon enough they'll have a King Karl the Kuck II who jeopardizes his people as he runs back to ɹɐɔsɐƃɐpɐW with only a portion of them and wipes all their memories-- or better yet, the Founder-Royalty dyad system will break down and the monarch will claim the power of the Founder and become another King Karl the Kuck.


Something something Carthāgō dēlenda est.

It's certainly not a moral solution, even in the context of war, but uh... the rest of the world committed to genociding them.

So, basically, what Eren was already doing, which is squarely within the "Titan creation" and "Titan control" abilities of the Founder, but turned against him because the Titans being summoned technically have wills.
Yes, the Romans destroyed Carthage's ability to fight. This happened all the time through history without occupation. There has been plenty of racial hatred without genocide throughout history as well. Exile should have been the end of it, historically.

But honestly, there's nothing that represents Marley's hatred towards Eldia and its constant torture but fucking brain parasites. It makes absolutely no sense. Besides, Paradis represents Israel moreso than anything. With their Titans acting as nukes. It'd be piss easy for them to infiltrate and understand what links the world together. Again, if it is this super racsim that links them all together, then that is the most retarded thing I've ever heard. Racial hatred linking an entire fucking world of independent nation states with their own ideologies? It is incredibly stupid. Find their fears and exploit them, through a series of assassinations, frame jobs and subterfuge. Begin pitting one country against another. You don't need total genocide if you have spy craft.

Find their warriors, isolate them, devour them. This isn't even considered.

I cannot count the ways in which Paradis could have realistically defended itself without "TITANS GO BOOM BOOM". Gruella warfare, pretending to be from other governments conducting sabotage operations....they didn't even need to do all out war. You destroy an enemy's capability to wage war, that's it. World War 2 is an example of this. Germany, Italy and Japan were destroyed and incapacitated but not occupied. Their ability to wage war was destroyed. Do you know what state Germany would have been if the United States just fucked off after basically castrating its entire industrial base? It would have been pure fucking anarachy. They would have had time to fight anyone, because they'd be breaking each other's skulls over a piece of bread. (This excludes the soviet union conquering Germany).

To say they'd have to do so in perpetuity is if the rest of the world was infected by a brain parasite that made them want to destroy Paradis. They're not acting like people do. There is no justification for genocide. It happens because the author wanted it to. That's the reason it exists. Everyone has to be retarded for it to happen. Eren, the world and the characters. If you have to make everything and everyone a sub-IQ mongoloid or a person acting like they have a fucking brain parasite to happen, you're a trash author.
 
You destroy an enemy's capability to wage war, that's it. World War 2 is an example of this. Germany, Italy and Japan were destroyed and incapacitated but not occupied. Their ability to wage war was destroyed
I think knowing what we know Isayama actually may be so mad and autistic about what happened to Japan as a result of WWII that that's not even an option to him. So the only way to stop the enemies of Paradis becomes to utterly annihilate them.
 
I think knowing what we know Isayama actually may be so mad and autistic about what happened to Japan as a result of WWII that that's not even an option to him. So the only way to stop the enemies of Paradis becomes to utterly annihilate them.
Yes, this is a result of Isayama's autisim against Japan in WWII that he needed to stomp the rest of the world because of what the evil gajin did. Its fucking retarded. Here are some very basics military tactics that could eliminate threats of nation states:

Decapitation Strike - Where you destroy political, economic and leadership positions and command control structures of a hostile government. I cannot tell you how many times this has been used in war to throw an enemy nation into utter chaos. Imagine if Eren went to the UN and fucking Titanized and murdered them all. There, war's done, every nation thrown into utter chaos, nobody knows what the fuck to do. Or alternatively, imagine if Reiner was captured and devoured by Eren and he struck at another nation as that Titan. Suddenly, oops, all sorts of mistrust is sown and the command and control structure is destroyed and you throw an entire world into chaos.

Denial - Utter destruction of an enemy's ability to wage war. Includes destruction of infrastructure, both civilian and military. Power plants, energy producing factories, water reserves. Utterly crush it. Goes with decapitation strike. Hit their intellectuals, their scientists, destroy their most brilliant minds and all that anti-titan warfare goes down the shitter.

Cooperation with Disaffected Groups - Cause guerilla struggles from within. Use your strength to empower partisans of governments to overthrow them. Again, lol if no country has any other disaffected groups that could be exploited.

Utter Punishment - Send them back to the stone age. Destroy crops and fields, production plants, everything that makes their lives comfortable so that they can't focus on you but they have to pick up weapons and shoot their neighbor for a piece of bread.

Or take the Sun Tzu approach. Activate the Rumbling, stride over to the world and say we want to make a deal for independence. Go with a show of strength, not weakness. Ask that you want peace, or it is total war right then and there.

I mean, these are just off basic military strategy. The excuse that genocide was the only option is fucking so pathetically weak. The idea that they'd have to constantly destroy their military every 5 years is laughable. In WWII, if Germany was left alone by all allied nations and Europe, it would have factionalized and broken into different nation states and fought with each other, not united stronger and come after the allies. Please, its a fucking joke. Denial has been a military tactic forever and has you know, worked. And if they continue to be belligerent, you go with punishment, push them to their breaking point and break it. They can't afford to develop anti-titan weaponry if you've killed all their scientists, destroyed all their crops and sent their level of technology so far back it is nearly unrecoverable.

Genocide is the only option because everyone in the story is retarded.

EDIT:
If you want Genocide to happen, just make it so King Cuck hated Paradis SO FUKCING MUCH, he implanted racial hatred in the rest of the world beyond all reason. So yeah, literally the entire world has fucking incurable brain parasites and they have to be murdered because they'll swim across the ocean with 2x4s to kill you. As in, completely idiotic beyond all shadow of a doubt.
 
So as promised, I GOT AN UPDATE on my Levi friend who jumped to the manga real quick.

While my Jean friend has predicted her version of the ending resulting in: Mikasa to use Eren as a sex toy, everyone dies Reiner so he keeps suffering, Levi friend had this reaction to the manga.
Reminder: Levi friend is anime only and jumped to see the last 2 chapters due to spoilers on quora of all places (how? hell should I know-)

1:55 AM
LF (Levi Friend): I just finished chapter 138 😐

LF:
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Lf: Was not funny. Didn't laugh. 😐
Me: nothin like some pesudo incest while god watches huh? 😏
LF: Yes they're basically siblings!! I've been thinking this whole time while watching the show that she loved him in a brother sister way!!🤮🤮🤮 And why did he have to kill Jean and Connie??? And Annie's dad right in front of her?!?😭😭😭
Me: ok but catch Reiner fist fighting that worm tho.

Lowkey I feel bad for her since this was her first anime by herself, but god I couldn't help but laugh my ass off at this. THEN I realized I have to explain everything that has happened to get to this point.
 
Okay so, I know this doesn't matter, but I just realized if Mikasa's hallucination, or whatever the fuck it was supposed to be was supposed to be her ideal world, then she just straight-up forgot Armin, or just doesn't fucking care about him to bring him along to live with them even after all he's done for them.

What I'm saying is this chapter just gets funnier the more you think about it.
 
Okay so, I know this doesn't matter, but I just realized if Mikasa's hallucination, or whatever the fuck it was supposed to be was supposed to be her ideal world, then she just straight-up forgot Armin, or just doesn't fucking care about him to bring him along to live with them even after all he's done for them.

What I'm saying is this chapter just gets funnier the more you think about it.
Yeah, she clearly doesn't give a fuck about Armin and probably would have been on Eren's side but Eren shut her down.
 
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