U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

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Random Internet Person said:
Once the defense uses their strikes, the prosecution can begin packing and railroading unopposed. How this doesn’t end without Chauvin being convicted, I have no idea.
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Verdicts must be unanimous. One single juror can force a mistrial, which would be a win for Chauvin.

DiscoRodeo said:
Yeah, he can. Once someone is in police custody, their safety does legally become something the state is responsible in maintaining.
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Looks like the count goes up by another tick.

JohnDoe said:
Most people don't know the first thing about overdoses or restraints.
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Considering the position that George Floyd put himself in by his own actions, Chauvin was doing exactly what he was trained to do to best protect Floyd. That his efforts were not sufficient to overcome the damage Floyd did to himself is irrelevant.
 
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JohnDoe said:
Considering the position that George Floyd put himself in by his own actions, Chauvin was doing exactly what he was trained to do to best protect Floyd. That his efforts were not sufficient to overcome the damage Floyd did to himself is irrelevant.
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Yeah, thats the thing he had no idea he had taken a fatal dose, so he would still have to show that he did everything in his power to maintain the culprits life, even not knowing that. Freezing up and keeping knee on neck is going to fuck him over on the involuntary manslaughter thing.

I don't think he should get the second degree unintentional murder thing if we had an honest jury,

but the manslaughter thing and 10 years max would be pretty fair. Even if Floyd took a fatal dose of fentanyl, it does go back to "did you make the situation worse" or "did you attempt to help the situation". If your response is "Your honor, he was going to die anyways, what point would there be in taking my knee off his neck or giving aid" you're going to get fucked by the jury.

His lawyers know what theyre doing and telling him to go with "I had no idea he was overdosing" is the right thing. He also likely didn't know Floyd was overdosing.

The big thing is though, at the end of the day, there was likely a point where he should have realized that something is really, really fucked up and this guys breathing is getting drastically more shallow, I need to pull my knee off his neck and at least go through the motions of what my duty entails instead of freezing up.

Again, not murder; but this isn't the other extreme as well with "Chauvin dindu nuffin wrong". He did fuck up, and he does deserve time for it. Just not time for murder.
 
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DeadFish said:
There is no difference between the woke left and the unabomber s ideas. Well in terms of outcomes. It that the woke left takes extra steps to get there
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One difference is that Unabomber was right about everything.

DiscoRodeo said:
Look, if someone is having a heart attack and you taze them, was it the heart attack that killed them, or the tazing?
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Blacks in America suffer disproportionately from heart disease, lack of access to proper medical care, substance abuse, and police brutality, so systemic racism is the culprit in either case. It wasn't just Chauvin's knee that crushed the life out of Floyd, it was America's collective hate from hundreds of years of white supremacy.
 
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Calandrino said:
One difference is that Unabomber was right about everything.


Blacks in America suffer disproportionately from heart disease, lack of access to proper medical care, substance abuse, and police brutality, so systemic racism is the culprit in either case. It wasn't just Chauvin's knee that crushed the life out of Floyd, it was America's collective hate from hundreds of years of white supremacy.
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Nah, it was the metric shittone of drugs in his system that did it.

Stop infantilizing blacks like they're helpless retards, it's very racist.
 
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Calandrino said:
Blacks in America suffer disproportionately from heart disease, lack of access to proper medical care, substance abuse, and police brutality, so systemic racism is the culprit in either case. It wasn't just Chauvin's knee that crushed the life out of Floyd, it was America's collective hate from hundreds of years of white supremacy.
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Yeah I get the sarcasm and shit. There are problems within black America. I'm not saying to let people run wild and do whatever they want. I'm not even saying to ban tasers. What I am saying is that we are pretty gung ho on using them, and when situations emerge where you do comically use a taser on a fatty for minutes at a time and act shocked when they croak and go "but why are you angry at me, I didn't do anything wrong"

Not blaming you for trying to arrest the guy. Not blaming you for not knowing the guy could have had a heart condition. Maybe we need better responses to policing, not just defunding them as the retards want. You did have a hand to play in said person's death though, and in most cases, it is in failure to provide aid or negligence on your part leading to death. That stuff should be addressed.

Doesn't have to do with race, doesn't have to necessarily even do with fat black people either. What it really does have to do with is getting better training for cops (more money, ironically to the left) or training cops to respond better when they can to situations like this. There are going to be tragedies and fuckups. Some of them are going to be unavoidable. When it comes to stuff like Floyd and a situation where, as the minutes go on, its becoming more and more obvious that the guys breathing is getting more shallow, better training could have changed how the situation played out in the end. Not saying it would save his life, but even in terms of self-preservation within the system, someone somewhere is probably just shaking their head and going "couldn't you have at least pretended to give aid to avoid this shitstorm" to Chauvin.
 
Quantum Diabetes said:
I've said a couple of times in this thread if the Floyd incident didn't happen, the media would have selected another sainted victim to kick off the riots. They've been wanting this shit for years now.

We all should feel betrayed.
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Yup, there was at least another black man who died by police late into the summer, but he got no attention as George was already appointed their saint.
 
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If Chauvin gets convicted who the fuck will want to be a cop in America? Doing your job 100% by the book and doing absolutely nothing wrong gets you life in prison? Where are they going to find people stupid enough to do that for 45k a year?

Buy guns.
 
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Ruin said:
If Chauvin gets convicted who the fuck will want to be a cop in America? Doing your job 100% by the book and doing absolutely nothing wrong gets you life in prison? Where are they going to find people stupid enough to do that for 45k a year?

Buy guns.
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At least there will be nobody to enforce gun control.
 
DiscoRodeo said:
Yeah, thats the thing he had no idea he had taken a fatal dose, so he would still have to show that he did everything in his power to maintain the culprits life, even not knowing that. Freezing up and keeping knee on neck is going to fuck him over on the involuntary manslaughter thing.
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The protocol is to restrain and wait for the ambulance. There is literally nothing else that can be done to assist when you have a violent overdose or excited delirium suspect. The police don't have the equipment or medical training to try to diagnose and inject medical treatment. They can't even apply CPR because suspects in these instances are often violent and can suddenly attack officers or bystanders. They can't not restrain them, either, for the above reasons.

What was he supposed to do?
 
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Ruin said:
If Chauvin gets convicted who the fuck will want to be a cop in America? Doing your job 100% by the book and doing absolutely nothing wrong gets you life in prison? Where are they going to find people stupid enough to do that for 45k a year?

Buy guns.
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It'll just be like that in blue cities. Red areas will still respect cops. Chauvin really was unlucky to have this happen in the commie hell that is Minneapolis.
 
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JohnDoe said:
He can't. Violates the protocol and presents not only a litigious risk, but a health and safety one.
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Eh, yeah he could.

Youre also wrong on protocol, once breathing gets shallow pretty confident police protocol includes still restraining the culprit, but taking knee off neck.
 
DiscoRodeo said:
Eh, yeah he could.

Youre also wrong on protocol, once breathing gets shallow pretty confident police protocol includes still restraining the culprit, but taking knee off neck.
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Dude, you literally do not know. You're acting as if 'pretty confident' means 'is factually true', but it is not. Pull up the copies of the training material and show us where it says that.

His options were:
A) Continue to follow the policy manual and his training in restraint, which are approved and designed to protect the suspect and officer, but cannot magically undo an overdose
B) Break his protocol and training, making himself personally and professionally liable when he fails to restrain the suspect per protocol

The rock and the hard place, but with a howling mob waiting to destroy a man no matter what he did because his destruction would serve a racist narrative.
 
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JohnDoe said:
Dude, you literally do not know. You're acting as if 'pretty confident' means 'is factually true', but it is not. Pull up the copies of the training material and show us where it says that.

His options were:
A) Continue to follow the policy manual and his training in restraint, which are approved and designed to protect the suspect and officer, but cannot magically undo an overdose
B) Break his protocol and training, making himself personally and professionally liable when he fails to restrain the suspect per protocol
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He's going to claim that the policy manual holds that knee on neck is a proper way to subdue a culprit. Hes likely right.

Its not about the overdose, its "did you do everything in your power to protect his life". He didn't know he was overdosing, nor did anyone know it would be fatal. Again, when it goes to court he cant say "Your honor, I can't magically undo an overdose he was going to die anyways so what would the point be in changing my behavior in any way".

I think past a certain point, both of us are talking out of our ass; but

You seriously think protocol with the knee-on-neck thing is in anyway to keep your knee on the neck, even after its obvious the dudes breathing is getting more shallow, as the dude is getting more faint in speech, etc? That once you start with knee on neck, you absolutely cannot stop or you will be liable?

Dude, thats retarded. He's going to definently get the 10 years for involuntary manslaughter. Its not even about "He was going to die anyways" Its about "Did you do everything in your power to prevent that, not knowing if he would die or not?" Keeping knee on neck well after a certain point seems to suggest he really did not.

No police force or court would ever hold the position of "you need to keep your knee on a culprits neck once their breathing progressively gets more and more shallow". Should that not be obvious?

He can say he was trained and defaulted to the knee-on-neck technique in the first place, but I guarantee you that technique is going to have clear limits to how it can be used and it does not include "must keep using technique even after dude starts dying"
 
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