U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

[DiscoRodeo]

My rules for riots: shot of Jameson every molotov. You guys in with me? My liver cant do it alone!

Really its the riot porn, like those protestors trying to pull down that confederate statue only for it to fall on one of them during the summer. Theres a special blend of schadenfreude there

 

[DiscoRodeo]

The unintentional second degree murder should be tossed out.

The involuntary manslaughter I think will stick and is fair enough to do so.

The entire thing about this case, and what does give schadenfreude is that throughout this year, Chauvin was willing to take a plea deal for numerous things he probably had no right pleading guilty to. However, the left (and this is what amuses me) damned themselves by demanding their pound of flesh, by getting worked up and trying to push everything from 3rd degree murder, to 1st, to all sorts of malicious charges, and demanding blood.

What happened next? Gradually, all the absurd charges got whittled down, and tossed out. Chauvin also decided not to seek a plea deal after that was ungraciously ripped out of his hands. The judge did a pretty fair thing already in whittling things down to only two possible charges. Unintentional murder and Manslaughter. The life in prison the leftists wanted to get is impossible now (I mean, technically 40 years for second degree unintentional murder could be life for him, but still not what the left wanted). The death sentence that some spergs wanted is also off the table.

I don't think the unintentional murder is going to stick either, because that rests on "so you intended to harm him, but not to kill him, and he got killed in the process". His defense of "this procedure is something I was taught, so you can't say I did anything abnormal" would toss that out.

The second degree manslaughter might stick for the aforementioned reasons though. Did his actions contribute to Floyds death or did he fail to act in a way to mitigate the situation? I don't think anything could have prevented Floyd's death, but I do think the court is going to find that he did fuck up pretty badly with how he handled the situation and probably should have switched to an upright hold with the other three cops helping. Over there, I don't think he did everything in his power that was reasonable to try and help the situation.

The max sentence for that is 10 years. Hes already basically served about a year in remand, so thats knocked down to 9~ at the max now. He also may lose time for good behavior (though with such a short sentence + due to the public perception, probably not). At the end of the day, I'm hoping that this is how the trial turns out and antifa really doesnt get what they wanted. He should pay some price for his fuckup, but not life, and not hard time for decades.

Antifa is going to sperg out anyways. BLM is going to sperg out anyways, but thats on them. I do applaud the judge in whittling down all the charges to just these two because there are the only ones that are reasonable enough to be applicable. Id agree with the second degree manslaughter sticking for aforementioned reasons, and anything more would be an abuse. I don't think Chauvin did nothing wrong, but for this fuckup the 10 years of jail max and unintentional murder being tossed out (hopefully) would be fair enough.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

Can someone refresh my memory on the evidence for him swallowing his stash? There was no mention of a foreign object in the stomach on the autopsy. I hope The Man took stomach fluid samples and they will be considered at trial.

Also, some of you people need to learn basic head and neck anatomy.

The trachea, even in a smaller critter, has the consistency of the kind of plastic tubing used for dryer vents. It's hard and corrugated. It's not easily collapsible, and if it is crushed, there's a bone (the hyoid bone) that breaks along with it. This would be seen in the autopsy.

This is the recovery position, which is designed to keep the airway open:

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From the position he was in, Chauvin could have cut off blood flow, but not Floyd's airway.

 

[Random Internet Person]

The unintentional second degree murder should be tossed out.

The involuntary manslaughter I think will stick and is fair enough to do so.

The entire thing about this case, and what does give schadenfreude is that throughout this year, Chauvin was willing to take a plea deal for numerous things he probably had no right pleading guilty to. However, the left (and this is what amuses me) damned themselves by demanding their pound of flesh, by getting worked up and trying to push everything from 3rd degree murder, to 1st, to all sorts of malicious charges, and demanding blood.

What happened next? Gradually, all the absurd charges got whittled down, and tossed out. Chauvin also decided not to seek a plea deal after that was ungraciously ripped out of his hands. The judge did a pretty fair thing already in whittling things down to only two possible charges. Unintentional murder and Manslaughter. The life in prison the leftists wanted to get is impossible now (I mean, technically 40 years for second degree unintentional murder could be life for him, but still not what the left wanted). The death sentence that some spergs wanted is also off the table.

I don't think the unintentional murder is going to stick either, because that rests on "so you intended to harm him, but not to kill him, and he got killed in the process". His defense of "this procedure is something I was taught, so you can't say I did anything abnormal" would toss that out.

The second degree manslaughter might stick for the aforementioned reasons though. Did his actions contribute to Floyds death or did he fail to act in a way to mitigate the situation? I don't think anything could have prevented Floyd's death, but I do think the court is going to find that he did fuck up pretty badly with how he handled the situation and probably should have switched to an upright hold with the other three cops helping. Over there, I don't think he did everything in his power that was reasonable to try and help the situation.

The max sentence for that is 10 years. Hes already basically served about a year in remand, so thats knocked down to 9~ at the max now. He also may lose time for good behavior (though with such a short sentence + due to the public perception, probably not). At the end of the day, I'm hoping that this is how the trial turns out and antifa really doesnt get what they wanted. He should pay some price for his fuckup, but not life, and not hard time for decades.

Antifa is going to sperg out anyways. BLM is going to sperg out anyways, but thats on them. I do applaud the judge in whittling down all the charges to just these two because there are the only ones that are reasonable enough to be applicable. Id agree with the second degree manslaughter sticking for aforementioned reasons, and anything more would be an abuse. I don't think Chauvin did nothing wrong, but for this fuckup the 10 years of jail max and unintentional murder being tossed out (hopefully) would be fair enough.

Your optimism is astounding.

 

[murdered meat bag]

I don't know what the safest method is; but I know knee on neck is pretty risky and can fathom that having three other guys sit on him and just avoiding his neck might be a bit better, even on the pr;

or you know, restraining him upright, turning him over on his front.

Hay, cuff him to a post if you want.

If knee on neck is the "safest way to subdue suspects" and we can't have an honest conversation about where Chauvin fucked up in refusing to switch to any other restraint past a certain point, even after we both agree it wasn't murder,

We're fucked.

if you restrain someone up right, they can bridge you and buck you off. we're only fucked because people who've never fought are making calls about the best practice to stop a fight.

compliance with police starts at 0%. figure it out from there.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Your optimism is astounding.

I'm already loads happy and somewhat vindicated. The dude was facing multiple murder charges and not just the current "unintentional" murder, which is a stretch. Anarchist "friends" of mine sperged out when, after the drug test came out and I told them that this wasn't murder- that it was manslaughter at best, I dared to challenge the narrative and got expelled yet again for doing so.

I'm quite content with how the actual court process has unfolded so far. It does seem like the judge actually is paying attention to the law and got rid of the absurd charges so that the two somewhat reasonable charges are the only ones presented to the jury. I'm just hoping the jury actually has a sense of justice and doesn't just go for the harsher punishment of the two, because unintentional murder does still seem like a stretch. I don't think Chauvin had intent to cause ill will, I think he just froze and failed to act properly.

But, yeah- so far the court process is going well. Pity about the rest of the country sperging out for a year non-stop over this.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

if you restrain someone up right, they can bridge you and buck you off. we're only fucked because people who've never fought are making calls about the best practice to stop a fight.

compliance with police starts at 0%. figure it out from there.

Yeah yeah yeah, this is why they can't get a good jury, because its always spergs who go "Chauvin dindu nuffin wrong" or spergs who go "Floyd dundu nuffin wrong".

Props on the "people who never fought" thing though, thats an amusing thing to bring up here lol

 

[JohnDoe]

The unintentional second degree murder should be tossed out.

The involuntary manslaughter I think will stick and is fair enough to do so.

Read the statute:

609.205 MANSLAUGHTER IN THE SECOND DEGREE.
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree and may be sentenced to imprisonment for not more than ten years or to payment of a fine of not more than $20,000, or both:

(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or

(2) by shooting another with a firearm or other dangerous weapon as a result of negligently believing the other to be a deer or other animal; or

(3) by setting a spring gun, pit fall, deadfall, snare, or other like dangerous weapon or device; or

(4) by negligently or intentionally permitting any animal, known by the person to have vicious propensities or to have caused great or substantial bodily harm in the past, to run uncontrolled off the owner's premises, or negligently failing to keep it properly confined; or

(5) by committing or attempting to commit a violation of section 609.378 (neglect or endangerment of a child), and murder in the first, second, or third degree is not committed thereby.

If proven by a preponderance of the evidence, it shall be an affirmative defense to criminal liability under clause (4) that the victim provoked the animal to cause the victim's death.

None of this applies:
Chauvin didn't cause the death, Floyd's overdose did.
Chauvin wasn't negligent, he followed the training and procedure laid out by the government.
Chauvin did not create a situation of risk, Floyd did by ingesting drugs and resisting arrest.
Chauvin did not 'consciously take chances of death', he was taking steps he believed would prevent further injury.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Blacks in America... ...lack of access to proper medical care...

What's the story behind this? Is it because hospitals turn away black patients or because rappers and basketball players don't donate their money to build hospitals in the hood?

 

[TFT-A9]

I'm not gonna dictate restraining procedure to a police officer because the one time I had to restrain someone it was in a knock-down drag-out and I just bloodchoked their ass until they calmed the fuck down

 

[DiscoRodeo]

Chauvin didn't cause the death, Floyd's overdose did.
Chauvin wasn't negligent, he followed the training and procedure laid out by the government.
Chauvin did not create a situation of risk, Floyd did by ingesting drugs and resisting arrest.
Chauvin did not 'consciously take chances of death', he was taking steps he believed would prevent further injury.

Within the statute (1) applies. Culpable negligence is creating unreasonable risk. What is unreasonable is going to be determined by the court, but it will probably read something along the lines of "you didn't know if his overdose was fatal or not, but choosing to continue the knee-to-neck choke even without that information added in additional risk we do not deem reasonable".

Thats also where we disagree. He was negligent as far as it appears. His training, I guarantee you, does not include "once you start knee on neck, you absolutely cannot stop, you cant switch to another procedure, this is the safest procedure in the book, even when your other officers are saying dude we should do something else, you are trained not to stop".

He did not create the situation, but he mishandled it.

He did take chances of death, because knee-on-neck past the point of "bro, should we use another hold, hes not really breathing very well" is consciously taking chances of death.

 

[ForTheHoard]

I don't know; but I do know that there have been multiple campaigns for years to try and get rid of knee-on-neck holds, numerous similar cases, and its banned in a lot of nations due to safety issues

so certainly not this.

The knee-on-neck pin became popular because subject matter experts like yourself demanded the end to holds that restricted airways, like choke holds. How many times have you been told that this technique does not restrict the airway or blood flow to the brain? If you keep leaping over that fact, no one is gonna be able to have a productive dialogue with you.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

The knee-on-neck pin became popular because subject matter experts like yourself demanded the end to holds that restricted airways, like choke holds. How many times have you been told that this technique does not restrict the airway or blood flow to the brain? If you keep leaping over that fact, no one is gonna be able to have a productive dialogue with you.

Hay man, you're going to have to link that study one more time- because it does seem like there are a great many people who have linked the technique to additional risks and it is banned in a lot of countries already.

If you think that I'm being disingenuous in any way, I don't care- this isn't a hugbox snowflake.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Hay man, you're going to have to link that study one more time- because it does seem like there are a great many people who have linked the technique to additional risks and it is banned in a lot of countries already.

If you think that I'm being disingenuous in any way, I don't care- this isn't a hugbox snowflake.

I don't have a study in front of me to link you. I guess that means your gut feeling is correct. My apologies.

Also, check out USAjobs.gov. The FBI has more openings than any other department and I'm sure your instincts and feelings could really bring about some life saving changes.

 

[The Last Stand]

I worry that after George Floyd, America will have anarchist, no man land states, police states and/or an increase of privatized security in certain areas. Everybody will be walking on eggshells for a while.

May 26th was the perfect storm of how everything could go wrong in American society.

 

[TFT-A9]

I worry that after George Floyd, America will have anarchist, no man land states, police states and/or an increase of privatized security in certain areas. Everybody will be walking on eggshells for a while.

May 26th was the perfect storm of how everything could go wrong in American society.

It's not going to be like that, if we're talking worst-case scenarios.

Think more "boot stamping on a human face forever" for likely resolutions to this shitfest.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I worry that after George Floyd, America will have anarchist, no man land states, police states and/or an increase of privatized security in certain areas. Everybody will be walking on eggshells for a while.

May 26th was the perfect storm of how everything could go wrong in American society.

You mean we’re going to have more CHAZ situations? I’d say that those would crumble under the first power grab.

 

[The Last Stand]

You mean we’re going to have more CHAZ situations? I’d say that those would crumble under the first power grab.

If they keep getting away with it, sure.

 

[BiggerChungus]

I worry that after George Floyd, America will have anarchist, no man land states, police states and/or an increase of privatized security in certain areas. Everybody will be walking on eggshells for a while.

May 26th was the perfect storm of how everything could go wrong in American society.

It's just another tool in the whole Great Reset plan, and a bread-and-circus type thing to keep people divided and hating each other. If there was any serious riot threat to the government and its lobbyists, the hammer would come down faster than you can blink.

 

[Random Internet Person]

It's just another tool in the whole Great Reset plan, and a bread-and-circus type thing to keep people divided and hating each other. If there was any serious riot threat to the government and its lobbyists, the hammer would come down faster than you can blink.

We already had 1/6.