MCU Television and Animation Series on Disney + - WandaVision, FATWS, Loki, etc

[The Valeyard]

A Mary Sue by definition has to be liked by everyone. I don't think Hayward was her biggest fan lol

But the audience isn't supposed to like Hayward because he is a toxic white male.

 

[cactus]

But the audience isn't supposed to like Hayward because he is a toxic white male.

Fuck, the writing on him was so weak. A lot about Wanda was good, but the writers shit the bed when it came to the final episode. I think the Malcolm episode was the height of the series for me and the Agatha song and the end credit scene with Wanda were the best scenes.

 

[starborn427614]

Fuck, the writing on him was so weak. A lot about Wanda was good, but the writers shit the bed when it came to the final episode. I think the Malcolm episode was the height of the series for me and the Agatha song and the end credit scene with Wanda were the best scenes.

The show definitely had a lot of good going for it. Even the finale, which I'd put among the weaker episodes of the series, had shit like Wanda tricking Agatha with the runes (and her full Scarlet Witch reveal), the Visions with the philosophical debate and so on.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

But the audience isn't supposed to like Hayward because he is a toxic white male.

Also, he's supposed to not like Wanda, hence, he's evil.

He wasn't wrong about her. His intentions were not stop her as much as see what was the deal with Vision, but he was correct that she was dangerous. If she becomes some sort of antagonist in the next movies, it's gonna be funny in context.

 

[starborn427614]

Also, he's supposed to not like Wanda, hence, he's evil.

He wasn't wrong about her. His intentions were not stop her as much as see what was the deal with Vision, but he was correct that she was dangerous. If she becomes some sort of antagonist in the next movies, it's gonna be funny in context.

He's definitely dealing with his own form of PTSD from the snap. I think they should've gone into that a bit more with Monica since they clearly had a connection.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

But the audience isn't supposed to like Hayward because he is a toxic white male.

Also, he's supposed to not like Wanda, hence, he's evil.

He wasn't wrong about her. His intentions were not stop her as much as see what was the deal with Vision, but he was correct that she was dangerous. If she becomes some sort of antagonist in the next movies, it's gonna be funny in context.

I feel like they're setting him up as the next Senator Stern-style "Evil Official" guy, I can see him being used when they start gearing up for Thunderbolts being saved by a sympathetic Ross swooping in and agreeing they need to have their own "kill team".

 

[cactus]

The Critical Drinker has a review pretty much saying what I said, but better put.

 

[starborn427614]

The Critical Drinker has a review pretty much saying what I said, but better put.

That was actually the thing that got me to unsubscribe. I was getting pretty tired already of him always complaining about some random bitch doing a thing he didn't like, it's pretty much a script at this point.

 

[KillThemCrackasBabies]

The Critical Drinker has a review pretty much saying what I said, but better put.

I can't sit through this shit. I don't know if he's deliberately trying to make himself "sound drunk" because gimmick or he just naturally has that infliction but it sounds like someone who doesn't understand Plinkett Reviews trying to rip off Plinkett.

 

[cactus]

That was actually the thing that got me to unsubscribe. I was getting pretty tired already of him always complaining about some random bitch doing a thing he didn't like, it's pretty much a script at this point.

I think I only saw other review of his, so his schtick isn't old to me and I thought he had a point when he mentioned Hayward since mean white man is something we all think is dumb.

 

[Shitassdeaddude]

I've seen all but the last episode, and all I can think is that White Vision looks exactly like the robot from Bill & Ted Face the Music.

I'm annoyed that the villain is, once again, "she is like goodguy but OOOOOOH she's a me- she's a mean guy."

And judging from the existence of Dennis, they're doing it twice in one property.

 

[The Valeyard]

I cringed hard at this clip from The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

I hate this Whedon cancer style of dialogue.

 

[starborn427614]

I cringed hard at this clip from The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

I hate this Whedon cancer style of dialogue.

Mmm. I can see what you mean.

 

[Calandrino]

This seems a tad familiar.

Inverse published this article defending The Last Jedi because Wandavision also subverted expectations when fan theories didn’t come to pass in the finale.

Well, I'm not reading that, but my fan theory from episode 1 was that the town was a fantasy created by Wanda out of grief and that she would have to let go of it and move on in the end. What the hell did people think was going to happen? Forget I asked. The Justice League cartoon version of exactly this plot verbatim even down to retro stylistic homages was better, in part because the omnipotent reality-warping psychic using mind control on everyone was the bad guy, which makes a lot more sense. What is it with this trend of attempting to treat unlikable insane self-centered women as relatable protagonists because they feel bad for a few seconds and they're strong and powerful and inspiring? It's not the first or second time I've seen this recently.

But the audience isn't supposed to like Hayward because he is a toxic white male.

Ten years ago maybe he could have been written as an interesting yet misguided villain, instead he's a semi-retarded punching bag for the diversiteam. He was right about everything but the script hates him. Painful to watch.

 

[UnKillFill]

I recently heard Brad Jones call Kat Dennings the Jar Jar Binks of the MCU. I couldn't agree more.

 

[James Roancrest]

I can't sit through this shit. I don't know if he's deliberately trying to make himself "sound drunk" because gimmick or he just naturally has that infliction but it sounds like someone who doesn't understand Plinkett Reviews trying to rip off Plinkett.

I unsubscribed when he made his Hobbit video and complained about the singing scenes while also claiming to have read the original book. Tolkien did have songs in his books, you hack fraud. There are way better things to complain about in The Hobbit.

 

[SamTheEagle]

I unsubscribed when he made his Hobbit video and complained about the singing scenes while also claiming to have read the original book. Tolkien did have songs in his books, you hack fraud. There are way better things to complain about in The Hobbit.

Hell, the dwarves singing in Bilbo's home is one of the good things to come out of those movies. Better yet, it eventually led to this:

 

[starborn427614]

Hell, the dwarves singing in Bilbo's home is one of the good things to come out of those movies. Better yet, it eventually led to this:

Stuff like this is why I actually enjoy the first Hobbit film. The only decent film of the three.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

I cringed hard at this clip from The Falcon and the Winter Soldier.

I hate this Whedon cancer style of dialogue.

I liked the Hobbit line, but it feels that the rest of the dialogue was forced to make this line happen. "Kill your Darlings".

I mean, it's kinda obvious the dialogue exists to pander to the "I CLAPPED WHEN THEY SAID THE THING" crowd. We get it, you read the Hobbit too.

There was one comment saying "lol, Bucky was such a nerd back then!". RRRRRIGHT, only nerds read shit back then in the 40s.

 

[Calandrino]

I recently heard Brad Jones call Kat Dennings the Jar Jar Binks of the MCU. I couldn't agree more.

It's kinda like they merged Holdo and Jar Jar into one annoying cat lady blue checkmark self-insert. Was she that horrible in the Thor movies? I don't remember and did not recognize her at first.

Now I was pretty drunk by the end of Wandavision and my memory is a little fuzzy but can somebody help me walk through exactly what the Bad Guy did wrong?

Spoiler

I mean Agatha...

In her origin, she defends herself against the rest of her coven, who are trying to execute her. Her crime was basically not knowing her place, and the people she kills are witches, so she doesn't come across as particularly evil.

In the present, she enters Wanda's fantasy, helps her to understand where her powers come from, and confronts her about her wrongdoing. She offers to allow Wanda to continue living in her fake world peacefully if she'll hand over her power. She doesn't seem to have any kind of Big Evil Plan for what she'll do with the power, which Wanda is already abusing anyway. I don't think she ever actually hurts anybody in the present (other than Sparky?). She kidnaps Wanda's imaginary kids, who Wanda later destroys anyway, and she mind-controls substitute Pietro, who doesn't seem all that disturbed compared to Wanda's victims. She seems to be written in a stupidly hostile and abrasive way just so that we'll understand that she's "bad" and one gets the feeling that if she'd just asked Wanda nicely she'd have cooperated in the first place.

Agatha's POV is actually closer to a traditional superhero plot: picture a hero who infiltrates the villain's fantasy world, makes her understand what she's doing is wrong, takes her power away to prevent her from harming anyone else, but leaves her to happily live in her fantasy after freeing the innocent civilians. That's like a Superman story.

Instead our "hero" Wanda ignores Agatha's pleas for mercy and condemns her to perpetual suffering, telling her she'll come back for her if she needs her help to become even more powerful (note: Wanda is already more powerful than the evil overlord who wiped out half the universe, and the other heroes of this story were helpless to stop her from doing whatever she wanted). They don't seem to be driving at any kind of moral ambiguity: the protagonist being upset justifies the means. There is something telling about the way the civvies act aggressively towards Wanda after being freed, instead of being terrified of her. Are they that stupid? The plot wants to treat her as an ostracized victim despite it making no sense at all. She mind-raped all of them and her penance is to get stared-at in a mean way.