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Mother puss bucket said:
Putting an advertisement on the message board at the local store? How's Craig's list work for that?
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Okay, maybe my experience was somewhat different, then. Back before everything was done over the internet, my main method for getting into games and meeting people was to network directly. Ask a friend if they knew of any GMs looking for players, etc. So everybody came with some sort of recommendation from someone else, none of that "hey, I found you guys on Roll20. I'm a 350lb body-positive nonbinary otherkin with blue hair and my pronouns are xey/xyr. Let me in or I'll call you a bigot" or "hi, I'm pretending to be perfectly normal but if you mention anything at all about my undisclosed triggers five sessions in I'll flip the fuck out" that can really sour the mood these days.

There were definitely assholes, idiots and manipulative bastards back then, but since everybody knew each other, or knew someone who knew someone else, it was easier to eject these people and keep them out. After a couple of groups threw you out, you'd find it very difficult to find a new one. I know because I've seen these people begging to be let back in when they realized their infamy spread to other game stores and RPG groups across the city and they couldn't find a game anymore.

On the internet, with the much larger audience available and with the level of anonymity we can achieve by simply creating a new account or moving to a new Discord server... well, a single asshole can cause trouble to multiple groups that took them in with the best of intentions, and suffer no consequences for it.

Now that I think of it, I think that block of text has qualified me for Full Boomer status. I need to go pick up my newly-issued walking cane and start waving it at the kids playing on my lawn, so I'll be right back. I might take a while, I also need to purchase a lawn.

RadicalCentrist said:
It's painting, not playing. There are plenty of people who just paint the models and sell the finished product. Great gig, if you can make it work.
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Definitely a good gig if you can make it work. I actually know an older lady who got into model painting as a side hobby a few years past and has been making a decent coin picking commissions for those big fancy character/monster models Games Workshop has been putting out recently.
 
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Corn Flakes said:
Okay, maybe my experience was somewhat different, then. Back before everything was done over the internet, my main method for getting into games and meeting people was to network directly. Ask a friend if they knew of any GMs looking for players, etc. So everybody came with some sort of recommendation from someone else, none of that "hey, I found you guys on Roll20. I'm a 350lb body-positive nonbinary otherkin with blue hair and my pronouns are xey/xyr. Let me in or I'll call you a bigot" or "hi, I'm pretending to be perfectly normal but if you mention anything at all about my undisclosed triggers five sessions in I'll flip the fuck out" that can really sour the mood these days.

There were definitely assholes, idiots and manipulative bastards back then, but since everybody knew each other, or knew someone who knew someone else, it was easier to eject these people and keep them out. After a couple of groups threw you out, you'd find it very difficult to find a new one. I know because I've seen these people begging to be let back in when they realized their infamy spread to other game stores and RPG groups across the city and they couldn't find a game anymore.

On the internet, with the much larger audience available and with the level of anonymity we can achieve by simply creating a new account or moving to a new Discord server... well, a single asshole can cause trouble to multiple groups that took them in with the best of intentions, and suffer no consequences for it.

Now that I think of it, I think that block of text has qualified me for Full Boomer status. I need to go pick up my newly-issued walking cane and start waving it at the kids playing on my lawn, so I'll be right back. I might take a while, I also need to purchase a lawn.


Definitely a good gig if you can make it work. I actually know an older lady who got into model painting as a side hobby a few years past and has been making a decent coin picking commissions for those big fancy character/monster models Games Workshop has been putting out recently.
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Big cities are different to small towns. You have lots of people you can word of mouth with and several groups. In smaller places players looking for groups might not have much beyond a comic shop and have to use that to find people. Word of mouth is great until you find a clique who gets pissy with you and spreads bullshit around. Too many stores are owned by a guy with a rich Daddy paying for everything and his school friends hang out there. One wrong word and they never stop holding a grudge.

RadicalCentrist said:
It's painting, not playing. There are plenty of people who just paint the models and sell the finished product. Great gig, if you can make it work.
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Even painting there's not very many woman compared to men doing it.

Commission painting doesn't pay the bills. The amount of time you spend painting to what people will pay is so far below minimum wage you would be better off working at McDonalds. There's too many people trying to do it and willing to low ball themselves. If you can get a professional gig you can make bank but those are hard to get and have strict deadlines. If you're the local guy people come to then you might be able to make a decent profit or selling stuff you were painting any way. I looked into it a couple of years past and it didn't make sense even as beer money.
 
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If you guys want a good indication that a new player may be trouble, pay attention to how often they check their phones after being asked not to.

Every single player we had to kick out the past four years spent more time at the game table looking at their twitter feed than paying attention to the narration or the combat. When we get together to play (in-between lockdowns, that is) we have a very strict "phones muted, on the table, screen down" rule, and the GM is very good at noticing when someone is just browsing or playing another game when we play remotely. Unless they have a good reason to check their phones it's three strikes and they're out.

My GM is a very chill guy. Normally he wouldn't even care about the pronoun brigade, so long as they didn't get too obnoxious. But breaking the phone rule and repeatedly asking "I'm sorry, can you say that again?" is an incredibly quick way to get him to give you the boot.

Mother puss bucket said:
Big cities are different to small towns. You have lots of people you can word of mouth with and several groups. In smaller places players looking for groups might not have much beyond a comic shop and have to use that to find people. Word of mouth is great until you find a clique who gets pissy with you and spreads bullshit around. Too many stores are owned by a guy with a rich Daddy paying for everything and his school friends hang out there. One wrong word and they never stop holding a grudge.
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I know all that, and I'm not saying it was the "good ol' days" or that it was better back then. What I said that is that I found it ironic that the best way to dodge assholes in The Year Of Our Lord Current Year is to go back to doing what we used to do before the internet: network one-on-one with people we trust, only accept people who were previously vetted by members of the group, and be very careful with be ready to kick out new people who showed up "out of nowhere".

My best memories are actually from around six to ten years back, when nerdy shit like RPGs was starting to become trendy but hadn't been completely taken over by the woketards. The couple years leading up to, and then after D&D 5e's release. That's when my main group (and two inactive groups) first came together, originally for 3.5e and a small amount of 4e. Yeah, there were a few entitled little dumbasses we had to kick out, but the pool of people who were just looking to roll some dice and have fun was large enough that we were never waiting long before we found a brand new player we could teach the ropes, or just a veteran looking for a group. Now it feels the pool is still very large with the influx of people thinking Critical Role is how the game is always played, but finding a non-pozzed player is rare.
 
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Inflation can cause some major reeeing, depending on how much Wizards and GW increase their prices. I mean it’ll piss a lot of people off because their bills will be higher but I expect there’ll be some who’ll be ok with deodorant and shampoo increasing in price (they don’t buy it anyways) but will have an absolute meltdown if their one hobby increases in price even a smidgen..

Shaka Brah said:
When was the last time you saw an actual woman play warhammer? I think that's the answer right there lol. It's a hobby for men and men in dresses.
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Yeah, it’s like sighting an endangered animal. It’s possible but extremely unlikely. The women I have seen were generally painters but for some reason YouTube and progressives like to paint trannies as minorities in 40k when arguably they’re the most common “woman” in the hobby... and push the few actual woman to the side. They’re still a minority in rpgs but even back in the day I’d see a woman or too that’d play.
Corn Flakes said:
Definitely a good gig if you can make it work. I actually know an older lady who got into model painting as a side hobby a few years past and has been making a decent coin picking commissions for those big fancy character/monster models Games Workshop has been putting out recently.
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Yeah, it’s not profitable to paint armies because too many 40k players are too cheap except when it comes to buying models. Imo it’s ok if you’re painting someone’s character for D&D or Pathfinder because they’ll pay enough to make that one model worth it.
Reverend said:
My fucking MINATURES HAVE PRONOUNS NOW:



fuck WizKids and Fuck WOTC with a rusty clawhammer.
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The model itself would be ok if it wasn’t prepainted. I dislike wizards prepainted minis even to this day... in part because it brings back bad memories and in part because I associate it with a couple of local power gamers who never paint their own shit.
 
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Mother puss bucket said:
How are you the highest level of privilege but punched down at? If Straight White Males Nerds are able to be punched down at then they aren't on top of the pile.
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Straight white males (and the occasional Asian or Indian) in gaming used to be the punching bags for thirty or forty years. Nerd, geek, loser, gamer, dweeb. Being a gamer was to be un-Chad, even if you had 18 abs and scored the winning touchdown at the homecoming game. Back when women were rare in the hobby and POC more so, we were a target that anyone could fling a handful of shit at. POC were busy being smooth criminals and the ladies stayed away in droves.

Then in the late noughties, nerd culture became ‘cool’ and suddenly the hottest ticket in town was a set of thick framed spectacles and a copy of the PHB in your Bag of Holding from Thinkgeek. So of course the chicks, chads and coloreds forced their way into the hobby.

And you know what? The cunts are still bullying, attacking and ostracising straight white male gamers, for wanting to protect something they love from becoming a fashion statement crossed with a social justice forcible conformity program.

We have several demographics that have relentlessly savaged average-Joe gamers for decades from outside the metaphorical city walls, attacking gamers socially, psychologically and even physically. Now they’re inside the city walls and continuing to attack us for not being more ‘accepting’ or ‘politically correct’ or ‘diverse’. It’s the same cowardly twenty-on-one bullying I’ve seen since the late 70’s, except this time the bullies are crying that they’re the victims.

I mean, how fucking blind to hypocrisy do these fuckheads need to be to miss the irony inherent in ignoring the lived experience of a thirty year gaming veteran, while promoting as sacred the lived experience of someone not being accepted because they came into gaming culture as an alien intruder and demanded it cater to their every whim?

It’s the same story yet again. We’re being attacked, bullied, railroaded and having the things we love destroyed before us. And just like the kid in high school in ‘88 who watched helpless as a Jock tore up his DMG in the school hall, we now have that jock wearing a tutu and dangerhair and saying he’s on the Right Side Of Gaming History. The only difference is that the fuckheads are inside the tent pissing in now, and claiming moral superiority as the reason they don’t need to respect the eternal victims.
 
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SITHRAK! said:
Straight white males (and the occasional Asian or Indian) in gaming used to be the punching bags for thirty or forty years. Nerd, geek, loser, gamer, dweeb. Being a gamer was to be un-Chad, even if you had 18 abs and scored the winning touchdown at the homecoming game. Back when women were rare in the hobby and POC more so, we were a target that anyone could fling a handful of shit at. POC were busy being smooth criminals and the ladies stayed away in droves.

Then in the late noughties, nerd culture became ‘cool’ and suddenly the hottest ticket in town was a set of thick framed spectacles and a copy of the PHB in your Bag of Holding from Thinkgeek. So of course the chicks, chads and coloreds forced their way into the hobby.

And you know what? The cunts are still bullying, attacking and ostracising straight white male gamers, for wanting to protect something they love from becoming a fashion statement crossed with a social justice forcible conformity program.

We have several demographics that have relentlessly savaged average-Joe gamers for decades from outside the metaphorical city walls, attacking gamers socially, psychologically and even physically. Now they’re inside the city walls and continuing to attack us for not being more ‘accepting’ or ‘politically correct’ or ‘diverse’. It’s the same cowardly twenty-on-one bullying I’ve seen since the late 70’s, except this time the bullies are crying that they’re the victims.

I mean, how fucking blind to hypocrisy do these fuckheads need to be to miss the irony inherent in ignoring the lived experience of a thirty year gaming veteran, while promoting as sacred the lived experience of someone not being accepted because they came into gaming culture as an alien intruder and demanded it cater to their every whim?

It’s the same story yet again. We’re being attacked, bullied, railroaded and having the things we love destroyed before us. And just like the kid in high school in ‘88 who watched helpless as a Jock tore up his DMG in the school hall, we now have that jock wearing a tutu and dangerhair and saying he’s on the Right Side Of Gaming History. The only difference is that the fuckheads are inside the tent pissing in now, and claiming moral superiority as the reason they don’t need to respect the eternal victims.
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You're right but also wrong.

It's not jocks inside the tent pissing, it's the same beta males who always played these games except they've been given the tools to be the bullies and are running with it as hard as they can. They're vindictive, spiteful little faggots who always wanted to be on top but couldn't, now they're given the power over others through spewing word salad at them and they're using it.

We can compare our hobby to the goth girls of the 90-00s. When they wanted to rebel and be different to everyone else they put on goth clothing and did their make up badly. Today those girls say they're trannies or non-binary. It's the same group of teenage girls, but culture has shifted so much the way they express it looks different. The weirdo guys getting into tabletop become feminist bullies instead of gothy metal heads. The overly emotional sperg in the past didn't have the tools to abuse people the way he does now, but he's still the over emotional sperg. It's part trying to be different and part power grab.

The main stream interest in nerd hobbies is as shallow as Big bang theory. No one watched Die Hard and thought it was about nerd stuff, it was a dumb action movies made for all audiences. They look at Marvel movies, which are identical to Die Hard from a main stream stand point and think that's about nerd stuff. There's no depth below the surface the main stream and jocks are dipping into, they're still doing jock things with other jocks. They're still bullying nerds with other jocks. Nothing has changed and nerdy technology trickling down into the hands of normies doesn't make nerds any more socially acceptable.
 
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Mother puss bucket said:
You're right but also wrong.

It's not jocks inside the tent pissing, it's the same beta males who always played these games except they've been given the tools to be the bullies and are running with it as hard as they can. They're vindictive, spiteful little faggots who always wanted to be on top but couldn't, now they're given the power over others through spewing word salad at them and they're using it.

We can compare our hobby to the goth girls of the 90-00s. When they wanted to rebel and be different to everyone else they put on goth clothing and did their make up badly. Today those girls say they're trannies or non-binary. It's the same group of teenage girls, but culture has shifted so much the way they express it looks different. The weirdo guys getting into tabletop become feminist bullies instead of gothy metal heads. The overly emotional sperg in the past didn't have the tools to abuse people the way he does now, but he's still the over emotional sperg. It's part trying to be different and part power grab.

The main stream interest in nerd hobbies is as shallow as Big bang theory. No one watched Die Hard and thought it was about nerd stuff, it was a dumb action movies made for all audiences. They look at Marvel movies, which are identical to Die Hard from a main stream stand point and think that's about nerd stuff. There's no depth below the surface the main stream and jocks are dipping into, they're still doing jock things with other jocks. They're still bullying nerds with other jocks. Nothing has changed and nerdy technology trickling down into the hands of normies doesn't make nerds any more socially acceptable.
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The jocks and even the girls weren't the worst when it came to bullying.

It was usually the beta-simps.

And they're still doing it, they've just got a new word salad.
 
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Jet Fuel Johnny said:
The jocks and even the girls weren't the worst when it came to bullying.

It was usually the beta-simps.

And they're still doing it, they've just got a new word salad.
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I always assumed it was an American thing where Jocks beat up Nerds all day long. My experience was Jocks didn't even notice the Nerds existed and when they did it was because you were all playing sports together and the Nerds sucked. Wasn't bullying to say you sucked at soccer just reality and after class you went your own way.
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Does every backer get a jelly donut? Does it always end in a party wipe from heart attacks?

Ey/Em/Eir is that how you pronounce female pronouns when your face is too fat to form words any more?
 
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Mother puss bucket said:
I always assumed it was an American thing where Jocks beat up Nerds all day long. My experience was Jocks didn't even notice the Nerds existed and when they did it was because you were all playing sports together and the Nerds sucked. Wasn't bullying to say you sucked at soccer just reality and after class you went your own way.
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Well, back in the 80's Revenge of the Nerds came out and you had dipshits who imitate what they see, but by and large, the jocks were too busy to really pick on the nerds in school. The stoners and rockers wanted left alone to do their own things and the preppies had their own shit going on.

It was usually the people who weren't in a clique, outcast nerds who couldn't make any friends because they were such toxic faggots, mean girls (not the popular ones, the mean bitches who were mean to feel good), and the real nobodies are who made nerds lives shitty.

Hell, I was a jock who played 1E AD&D, read LotR, and all that shit. The whole Jocks VS Nerds thing was pretty much bullshit.
 
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Jet Fuel Johnny said:
Well, back in the 80's Revenge of the Nerds came out and you had dipshits who imitate what they see, but by and large, the jocks were too busy to really pick on the nerds in school. The stoners and rockers wanted left alone to do their own things and the preppies had their own shit going on.

It was usually the people who weren't in a clique, outcast nerds who couldn't make any friends because they were such toxic faggots, mean girls (not the popular ones, the mean bitches who were mean to feel good), and the real nobodies are who made nerds lives shitty.

Hell, I was a jock who played 1E AD&D, read LotR, and all that shit. The whole Jocks VS Nerds thing was pretty much bullshit.
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The nerds were the same group as the metal fans when I grew up. Stoners were closer to the toxic people because doing drugs wasn't cool and even the metal heads didn't want to deal with those fags. Nerds would sit in the corner talking about new computer games coming out when they were inside and out in the playground or PE lessons they would for the most part blend in with all the other kids. It didn't become an identity to like Secret of Mana like it is today.

Not to derail this into racial stuff, but I've long associated the "Nerd beaten up by Jocks" to really mean "Jewish weirdo thinking he's a genius gets his ass kicked for being a retard". It makes much more sense when you consider all the nerd revenge stories to be Jewish power fantasies rather than the average nerd experience. The buck teeth, frizzy hair and big nosed guy being bullied by the tall blonde muscular jock fits much better in that scenario.
 
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Emperor Julian said:
Personally I'm enjoying the fallacy the nerd girls are more 'moral' or inclusive than the guys. You're in for a real rough day if you think the bitchy exclusitory infighting is the result of a few toxic manosphere steriotypes and the girls are felicia day's waiting for you and the mcelroy brothers to run Critical Role.
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There will be tears when the 300 lb girl moves into the 400 lbs pack of attention givers.
 
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