The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%
  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%
  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%

  • Total voters
    992
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Retraining, suspended without pay for the duration, and a review of city guidelines for appropriate force. Chauvin did not act well, the hold was utterly unnecessary. While it is true

I find only criminals and criminal sympathizers think this way, the vast majority of the time the police are called into a situation; they're not jumping out of the fucking bushes. I saw one video where a black kid was shot after he opened fire on police, and the only reason they were there was because he was beating his girlfriend and she called them. This happens all the time, every bodycam video of some shit gone wrong was because someone made a call, and that very person is often at the start of the video.
The over-policing during the crack epidemic? Most of it was cheered on by moms, grandmothers, and concerned residents at the time because it wasn't the cops shooting up their neighborhoods. Your worldview seems exclusively informed by pitiful lies often told by criminals themselves. Hey, did you also know that 100% of people in prison are innocent?
I can give you a link if you want, but have you seen the video of Daniel Shaver? He was the white guy in the hotel who was given conflicting commands by police while crawling backwards on his knees prior to being shot dead by law enforcement.

That was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. It's so tragic that bad actors have racialized police violence to advance their own agenda. I genuinely think more people in forums like this would support the cause if it wasn't so explicitly black vs white.
 
What are you talking about? If I took your post at face value (which I did) you said there's a 1 to 1 ratio of good to bad cops. You actually, literally, factually, said that.

And you argued it with statistics that less then 0.5% of people are killed by police during arrests.

So possibly 1 out of every 200 people arrested are killed by cops?

Sounds like a 1 to 1 ratio to me. I imagine in some countries its like less then 1 out of every 10,000 people arrested are killed during an arrest.

I would imagine for every murder intent based cop only like less then 1% of the time are they successful in murdering someone.

So yes based on your statistics to me it sounds like for every 1 cop that is a good cop that goes an entire career on the force and never kills anyone you have a cop that is a total murder seeking adrenaline junkie.

But lets forget statistics. What I said when I said "not what I said" was in response to you saying "yeah all cops are bad."

A 1 to 1 ratio does not equal "all cops are bad" so at face value I did indeed not say what you quoted me for.
 
I can give you a link if you want, but have you seen the video of Daniel Shaver? He was the white guy in the hotel who was given conflicting commands by police while crawling backwards on his knees prior to being shot dead by law enforcement.

That was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. It's so tragic that bad actors have racialized police violence to advance their own agenda. I genuinely think more people in forums like this would support the cause if it wasn't so explicitly black vs white.
I don't think anyone can entirely disagree that there are bad actors among the police. A large part of it is cultural, with police and the people they protect growing more and more distant. At the same time, modern technology has exposed police more and more to the absolute worst of the world which has only enhanced an already known cynical streak among police. Still, this is not really an example of that. Ironically really since it kicked everything off, the worst part of it is more an optics issue given the facts of the case.
 
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That was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. It's so tragic that bad actors have racialized police violence to advance their own agenda. I genuinely think more people in forums like this would support the cause if it wasn't so explicitly black vs white.
I don't think anybody is arguing there's no bad actors on the police or that Chauvin is a pure angel, i think its mostly one retard probably high making up ghost arguments while replying to other people who are trying to talk reason to him
 
Dude, he's been caught on camera on other arrests using the same fucking line. How were police suppose to know this time he wasn't just crying wolf?
If that's true--Okay, and? How do you know that all four cops including Chauvin knew his entire criminal background while they were arresting him? Did they just rewatch all of the footage of his previous arrests that happened, mind you, 10-20 years prior to this one in the car on the way there?
Ah yes, Chauvin purposefully delayed the ambulance responding to his high priority call in order to ensure he murdered Floyd. It's subtle, but you can see that as Chauvin upgrades the ambulance call to a higher priority he casts Traffic Snarl, a level 3 Cop spell, to make sure the medics never arrived in time.

The fact that it was Memorial Day and during a pandemic had nothing to do with it.
>high priority call
over a fake $20 bill?
He did resist getting into the police car and was agitated
Where in the law does it say that wriggling around when you're being arrested is grounds for a death sentence?
 
Nobody fuckin cares you retarded nigger faggot get fuck with a dragon dildo you raging tardbaby

Yeah everybody fucking cares. Everybody is going on about what a mistrial this is for Chauvin to be anything but a good cop while ignoring a fentanyl user saying he cannot breathe while being held down. Like his job depended on holding his neck with his knee.

Everyone fucking cares. I am here until to the end of this shit. I love how much everybody cares and not one person can justify the cops misuse of code of conduct.

I am going to watch everyone argue this shit all day. I am going to revisit this thread after the trial.

Not one person would have Chauvn babysit their kid and they fucking know it.
 
I find only criminals and criminal sympathizers think this way, the vast majority of the time the police are called into a situation; they're not jumping out of the fucking bushes. I saw one video where a black kid was shot after he opened fire on police, and the only reason they were there was because he was beating his girlfriend and she called them. This happens all the time, every bodycam video of some shit gone wrong was because someone made a call, and that very person is often at the start of the video.
The over-policing during the crack epidemic? Most of it was cheered on by moms, grandmothers, and concerned residents at the time because it wasn't the cops shooting up their neighborhoods. Your worldview seems exclusively informed by pitiful lies often told by criminals themselves. Hey, did you also know that 100% of people in prison are innocent?
Right? I mean, why else did they fucking CANCEL Cops and Live PD? Don't want people like that guy to cotton on to the facts that you presented above. Seems they were successful.
 
And you argued it with statistics that less then 0.5% of people are killed by police during arrests.

So possibly 1 out of every 200 people arrested are killed by cops?

Sounds like a 1 to 1 ratio to me. I imagine in some countries its like less then 1 out of every 10,000 people arrested are killed during an arrest.

I would imagine for every murder intent based cop only like less then 1% of the time are they successful in murdering someone.

So yes based on your statistics to me it sounds like for every 1 cop that is a good cop that goes an entire career on the force and never kills anyone you have a cop that is a total murder seeking adrenaline junkie.

But lets forget statistics. What I said when I said "not what I said" was in response to you saying "yeah all cops are bad."

A 1 to 1 ratio does not equal "all cops are bad" so at face value I did indeed not say what you quoted me for.
0.5% is false.

It's more like 0.00002% of police encounters with civilians end in the death of a civilian every year. Encounters are not just arrests, it includes being pulled over, stopped and questioned on the street, cop coming to your door, etc., but no arrest resulting. Arrests are included in the police encounters number.

Seethe.
 
Well according to like an equal opposition of millions to BLM he is guilty of nothing.

Statistics apparently show that if 30 million people say its totally cool to act in a conduct in the way Chauvin did and restrain this guy like they did and ignore medical attention like they did and the fentanyl consuming perpetrator was so violent and did not inform the cops he was high then its all good.

A lot of people seem to think Chauvin is a hero that deserves a medal for just holding this guy down with a knee and waiting for just like a little while or whatever you call well over 15 minute response time to apply medical attention to Chauvin. They should totally have put him in the back of the car handcuffed and taken him out not when the ambulance arrived but to force him onto the street those 5 cops clearly could not handle him as he was so violent and those cops must have saved like dozens of lives that day that Chauvin would have killed them all if he was not restrained.

Fuck Chauvin is the best guy ever. Usually when a handcuffed suspect says "I cannot breathe" for like 10 minutes its normal to continue to hold him down with a knee to the neck no less.

I guess I am wrong. Everyone is right. George Floyd is another dangerous junkie off the streets murdered by himself and only himself. Once Chauvin gets off with no charges perhaps the city will apologise and return the bond money and he will be reinstated with full pension.

Also maybe George Floyd's family will return the $27 million settlement to the city as an apology for what a piece of shit George Floyd was.

Its totally cool for fucked up cops to make good cops look bad also because of how incorrect that statement is on a level of statistics. No bad cops make good cops look bad by getting away with murder and negligence its totally within the code of conduct and this is what good cops sign up for to be just like Chauvin.

I know when I am wrong and time to admit it. I am sure Chauvin will get off without so much as a slap on the wrist and be revered as the hero he truly is.

overdoses do that to a man with or without police restraint.
 
0.5% is false.

It's more like 0.00002% of police encounters with civilians end in the death of a civilian every year. Encounters are not just arrests, it includes being pulled over, stopped and questioned on the street, cop coming to your door, etc., but no arrest resulting.

Seethe.
The actual number is ~0.0005%... for ALL interactions with police. Including violent ones.
 
Jesus man, I like this kid after watching him put up with this inane line of questioning for nearly 3 hours, but what's the point? What is the prosecution trying to prove here? I think the facts are fairly well-established via video, so I don't see what his testimony adds as a cashier at Cup Foods. Please educate me, @AnOminous. I'm trying hard to watch this trial from the perspective of a juror and I just feel like the last couple of hours have been a waste of time.
It may be boring but they really have to establish what led up to the arrest. I don't see how it helps the prosecution much, because it is really just establishing that yes, Floyd was definitely high on drugs and acting like it, and committed a crime while in the store by passing a counterfeit bill. This proves that at least the decision to arrest him was correct. I'd just assume they wanted to be the ones doing the direct examination because otherwise, obviously the defense would call this guy and the jury would get the same information, but presented the way the defense wants it.

The guy is one of a few eyewitness to key events in the case, so they pretty much have to call him.

Also almost any other witnesses, from the cops to the rubberneckers in the crowd, have some bias.
 
If that's true--Okay, and? How do you know that all four cops including Chauvin knew his entire criminal background while they were arresting him? Did they just rewatch all of the footage of his previous arrests that happened, mind you, 10-20 years prior to this one in the car on the way there?

>high priority call
over a fake $20 bill?

Where in the law does it say that wriggling around when you're being arrested is grounds for a death sentence?

I could simplify what you are arguing against:

"BLM vandalized my town. Let the cop go and end this riot nonsense"

To simplify what will happen if George Floyd walks:

A movement so great a riot so large it will make the summer BLM riots look like a joke.



But fair is fair. So to simpify I want to say "I agree with you." I agree with you.
 
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