The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%
  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%
  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%

  • Total voters
    992
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I felt similar to how you are feeling before the trial. I saw strictly the footage of Floyd on the ground crying for his mom saying he can’t breathe.. and I thought “legally this is at least manslaughter”. I couldn’t even watch the whole thing at first.

then I saw his previous arrest of him saying he can’t breathe

then I saw him sobbing saying he can’t breathe while they’re trying to get him in the car while I witness says he was foaming at the mouth

THEN I looked closer at the video where Derek is “kneeling on his neck” while you can see George be able to move his head around

Hearing testimony that he had indications of ODing (not his first time) while yelling he can’t breathe (even while cops offer to get him some air in a rolled down window) makes me believe there is more at play here than police negligence. Police are not paramedics. And all they can do is keep a subject subdued until help arrives. Could things have been differently? Sure. On both ends. Do I think there was any intent behind killing George? No
The thing that’s fucked to me is Chauvin still restraining a corpse as the paramedics check it. It’s just... fuck man, what are you expecting him to do, get up and run away? They stayed on him after he was obviously a corpse. That’s severe negligence to me at least - the problem is if it’s negligence to the level of manslaughter or not. The cops fucked up, the question is if they fucked up enough to have contributed enough to a man dying to be legally liable for it.
 
Black Lives Matter would become a mass grave in the town square courtesy of America's pent-up racists within a matter of hours.
Reminds me of that video where the BLM crowd decided to take their sorry asses down to redneck town usa, and they found out all the white MAGA hat wearing rednecks had everything from handguns to rifles and where waiting for them, they didn't do anything, didn't provoke them, they just stood on their lawns carrying their weapons looking at the march, police was there inbetween the protestors and the rednecks, nothing happened but you could see the BLM crowd dead silent as they walked calmly and orderly out of the area and even at the very end of it you could hear the BLM guys actually thanking the police officers because they knew if shit went down the only thing they could rely on was the policemen there
 
The cops fucked up, the question is if they fucked up enough to have contributed enough to a man dying to be legally liable for it.
Chauvin should have sucked the fent out of Floyd's penis to save his life. Also, the crowd would disperse right away upon doing so.

This man could have saved a life, instead, he kneeled as one faded away.
 
I’m surprised Riots haven’t started already tbh
Going by Twitter comments and reddit posts (activists who force this shit into riots) they are still deluding themselves about the effect the witnesses called have on the jury. These people operate from an emotional standpoint, and while the best outcome they can hope for is that every member of the jury operates entirely on emotion, they don't realize that this is only the beginning of the trial.
 
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I'm just practicing.
 
Yeah, I don't really watch that part of his channel; mostly because it's usually a hot take on current events.

Here's the thing. If he makes such bad hot takes, and such awful legal plays, can you trust that his takes on anything else are valid and unbiased?
late but I realized he was a hack fraud the moment I saw his Ace Attorney LP's and was just skipping text.
 
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The thing that’s fucked to me is Chauvin still restraining a corpse as the paramedics check it. It’s just... fuck man, what are you expecting him to do, get up and run away? They stayed on him after he was obviously a corpse. That’s severe negligence to me at least - the problem is if it’s negligence to the level of manslaughter or not. The cops fucked up, the question is if they fucked up enough to have contributed enough to a man dying to be legally liable for it.

One of my friends was once violently assaulted by a man who was A) supposed to have been heavily sedated, B) in restraints, C) behind several inches of hardened glass. He broke B and smashed through C to get at them, and tore multiple large chunks of flesh out of their body, down to the bone, in the twenty seconds it took multiple much larger and stronger men to wrestle him away from them. He did all that with his bare hands and fingernails.

Never underestimate what it takes to subdue a dangerous criminal or mentally unstable person. Even in absolutely perfect conditions that are supposed to guarantee your safety under all circumstances, a sufficiently psychotic or methed-up individual can go from perfectly passive and compliant to a handcuff-wrecking mini-hulk in the blink of an eye.
 
The cops fucked up, the question is if they fucked up enough to have contributed enough to a man dying to be legally liable for it.
There was certainly enough for civil liability, but whether there is enough for criminal liability depends on what Chauvin's actual intentions and state of mind were. There are two components of any crime, mens rea, and actus reus.

The State has issues with both. The actus reus prong, that is, the actual act that constitutes a crime, requires proving what Chauvin did actually killed Floyd, and not any of the myriad other issues Floyd had (other than assault because he could have committed some sort of assault but it did not actually cause the death). Or Chauvin could simply have been legally permitted to commit the acts in this case because he was lawfully restraining a suspect, in which case, even if it caused Floyd's death, he still isn't guilty.

But even with actus reus, you still need mens rea, a criminal state of mind. This has to be more than simple negligence, and it varies for the different degrees of homicide charged here. The only place where mens rea is fairly easily provable is in some form of assault. Chauvin clearly intended to commit the physical actions he did. For anything else, he has to have either actually intended the result, that is, the death of Floyd, or show reckless disregard or depraved indifference as to the result.

Depravity is a fairly high bar to clear. One of my favorite quotes about it is it requires an "abandoned and malignant heart." That's one of those phrases that sticks with you.

Incidentally, this is why they're really laying this on thick. They want the jury to believe Chauvin is a depraved demon, a monster, who would be capable of such an act. Chauvin just being an imperfect man who fucked up doesn't cut the mustard.
 
One of my friends was once violently assaulted by a man who was A) supposed to have been heavily sedated, B) in restraints, C) behind several inches of hardened glass. He broke B and smashed through C to get at them, and tore multiple large chunks of flesh out of their body, down to the bone, in the twenty seconds it took multiple much larger and stronger men to wrestle him away from them. He did all that with his bare hands and fingernails.

Never underestimate what it takes to subdue a dangerous criminal or mentally unstable person. Even in absolutely perfect conditions that are supposed to guarantee your safety under all circumstances, a sufficiently psychotic or methed-up individual can go from perfectly passive and compliant to a handcuff-wrecking mini-hulk in the blink of an eye.
Wait a sec, can you give more details? This reads more like a vampire story than a real account. How did he break restraints and smash through reinforced glass?
 
The thing that’s fucked to me is Chauvin still restraining a corpse as the paramedics check it. It’s just... fuck man, what are you expecting him to do, get up and run away? They stayed on him after he was obviously a corpse. That’s severe negligence to me at least - the problem is if it’s negligence to the level of manslaughter or not. The cops fucked up, the question is if they fucked up enough to have contributed enough to a man dying to be legally liable for it.
I feel that. It’s so weird dividing feels between morality and the law. I’m sure Derek is a real dick and there’s evidence to back that for sure
 
The thing that’s fucked to me is Chauvin still restraining a corpse as the paramedics check it. It’s just... fuck man, what are you expecting him to do, get up and run away? They stayed on him after he was obviously a corpse. That’s severe negligence to me at least - the problem is if it’s negligence to the level of manslaughter or not. The cops fucked up, the question is if they fucked up enough to have contributed enough to a man dying to be legally liable for it.
A person who causes the death of another by any of the following means is guilty of manslaughter in the second degree
(1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another; or
Sec.609.205

That doesn't seem to create a duty to provide medical assistance. The issue is did he cause the death by taking an unreasonable risk, not could he have prevented it.
Pretty hard to say the cop did that.
 
Even in absolutely perfect conditions that are supposed to guarantee your safety under all circumstances, a sufficiently psychotic or methed-up individual can go from perfectly passive and compliant to a handcuff-wrecking mini-hulk in the blink of an eye.
And the bodycam footage and the shop footage clearly shows Floyd acting like exactly such a man. If I were that clerk, I would have been wondering if this freakazoid was about to attack me. I actually don't think he was telling the truth about why he initially let the obvious counterfeit bill slide. I think he was afraid the guy was about to hulk out on him.
So America self-immolated because of a stolen banana

Alright
More like the change he got where he exchanged funny money for real money. It's pretty typical for people passing counterfeit bills by making some small purchase. Now they have real money. In Floyd's case, almost certainly to be used buying drugs. I'd bet he did a lot of driving around passing these shitty fakes to get enough for more drugs.
 
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