The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%
  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%
  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%

  • Total voters
    992
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OMG the spergery I managed to catch today.
Some woman with a streak in her hair was talking about his "barytone" accent.
Almost made me think she was boning him or something.
 
Any of you fine lawful friends can lend us some of your knowledge? Just how much is a cop responsible for the medical well-being of someone actively resisting arrest? At what point they turn from "enforcers of the law" to "officer of the peace" in such circumstances?
I don't know how relevant this is to this case, but I remember a couple years ago some joyriding girls drove their stolen car into a pond and all drowned while the cops just stood there, and while there was an outrage over the cops not going in to save the girls, what they did was all legal and within department protocol, because if you don't have dedicated livesaving equipment (AKA floatation devices to throw at the drowning people), and you go into the water to try and save a drowning person, you will both drown.
 
Whats the deal with the passenger Morries Lester Hall not testifying? Didn't he make a big deal about GF being wrongfully killed and such?
Well didn't he give Floyd the fentanyl candy? I mean he's probably MIA since he's legally liable for contributing to his death and said nothing to anyone in charge at the scene that might have saved Floyd's life.

He plead the fifth. For the non-burgers, that basically means you invoke your right to not incriminate yourself.
Has he been called to testify already?
 
I don't know how relevant this is to this case, but I remember a couple years ago some joyriding girls drove their stolen car into a pond and all drowned while the cops just stood there, and while there was an outrage over the cops not going in to save the girls, what they did was all legal and within department protocol, because if you don't have dedicated livesaving equipment (AKA floatation devices to throw at the drowning people), and you go into the water to try and save a drowning person, you will both drown.
Don’t be a casualty.
 
Cop was told that floyd was doing badly by a nurse at the medical centre, when did they get his heart started again?
 
Honestly, like Phenoix Wright they should pin it all on that fat lady and say her shitty social skills and lack of job experince is the negligence that caused Floyds death to the shock of everyone in the court.
Cue the scene of the GF's breaks wn where she confesses she did an ol swotcheroo to kill Floyd because she's secretly a racist
 
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I don't know how relevant this is to this case, but I remember a couple years ago some joyriding girls drove their stolen car into a pond and all drowned while the cops just stood there, and while there was an outrage over the cops not going in to save the girls, what they did was all legal and within department protocol, because if you don't have dedicated livesaving equipment (AKA floatation devices to throw at the drowning people), and you go into the water to try and save a drowning person, you will both drown.
Yeah, the supervisor's testimony basically explains that they are required to provide medical assistance before an ambulance shows up, but they are still operating under the assumption that he was asphyxiating and not having an overdose, which the cops wouldn't have had the tools to handle. But you could probably establish through the bodycams that the cops were all pretty sure he was on something, which would have factored into what medical attention they decided he needed.
 
The language of the 5th Amendment to the US Constitution:

"No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation."

The germane part here is, "nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself."
He should be called and asked why he did nothing just for the jury to see that, because he's the most culpable person at that scene. Even if he cites the 5th Amendment he should be called. I mean what's his defense, I let my pal die because racism? Give me a fucking break, the jury needs to hear that.
 
Whats the deal with the passenger Morries Lester Hall not testifying? Didn't he make a big deal about GF being wrongfully killed and such?

Now that I think on it, having him honestly and fully testify would likely completely destroy the prosecution's case. I was thinking the other day that his dealer actually wanted to kill him and slipped him what were actually tainted percs.
 
I think any cop with any amount of experience with druggies would be able to recognize when a guy is high as hell on drugs and also a morbidly obese man stressing himself into cardiac arrest. At the very least he could have called for an ambulance and had one of the other cops ride with Floyd so that it'd be off his hands and he could say something more than "Yeah, I just kinda did nothing while he freaked the fuck out to death." In fact, that's basically what happened when Floyd was arrested in 2019, in what was almost the same exact situation as the 2020 arrest.
Welcome to the story, that's exactly what happened and the cop is defending himself in court now.
 
I don't know how relevant this is to this case, but I remember a couple years ago some joyriding girls drove their stolen car into a pond and all drowned while the cops just stood there, and while there was an outrage over the cops not going in to save the girls, what they did was all legal and within department protocol, because if you don't have dedicated livesaving equipment (AKA floatation devices to throw at the drowning people), and you go into the water to try and save a drowning person, you will both drown.
The outrage was mostly because Jamie Foxx released a heavily edited version of the video.

In the full version two deputies tries to get to the vehicle but couldn't and it sank really quickly.
 
the guy (cop who manages use of force) thinks he acted accordingly
their only hope is that he was in the hold for too long in his view
 
At this point it feels like they're grasping at so many straws trying to find a "gotcha" they are just going to try and convict the entire police deparmtnet + the medics that treated Floyd
Yes, I would find this part 100% more damning if they were trying them as a group for negligence and not following procedure. Pinning it all on Chauvin when it comes down to "at what time is it required to put him in recovery position" doesn't quite follow.
 
Now that I think on it, having him honestly and fully testify would likely completely destroy the prosecution's case. I was thinking the other day that his dealer actually wanted to kill him and slipped him what were actually tainted percs.
fentanyl has been put in fake percocet for almost 10 years now as far as I know. Its cheap and effective people OD on it constantly. Any druggie will tell you this.
 
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