The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

Outcome?

  • Guilty of Murder

    Votes: 75 7.6%
  • Not Guilty of Murder (2nd/3rd), Guilty of Manslaughter

    Votes: 397 40.0%
  • Full Acquittal

    Votes: 221 22.3%
  • Mistrial

    Votes: 299 30.1%

  • Total voters
    992
  • Poll closed .
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Here's the day 3 recap for those just catching up.

/ctg/ SUMMARRY ARCHIVE

DAY 3 RECAP:
>We got new footage, including 3 new bodycams and multiple CCTV footage (one had George doing the Floyd shuffle after playing with a banana) (yes.)
>First genuine tears in this trial came from an old guy who wasn't even crying about George. It's important to remember nobody gave a damn about George until it was politically relevant.
>Karen the Firefighter's unceremonious send-off: https://youtu.be/vBDbIv-oXi4
>Cup Foods cashier inadvertently sets off the burning of America: https://youtu.be/5gM9GVb-7sM
>Guy from across the street sees police draw gun, starts recording: https://youtu.be/vW7twa5zU2s
>Old nig sheds the only genuine tears in the trial about his dead mother: https://youtu.be/fwpr9TOgz34
>Prosecution decides to help out the defense with their IT guy witness and introduce the four bodycam videos into evidence, we see Floyd "MAMA" and "BRO BRO BRO" 4 times in a row: https://youtu.be/hKXszHV16AM

>Floyd does some shucking and jiving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xbtXQxAXME
>"Did you sell him a banana?" : https://youtu.be/1mpKEaHw6EE
>"A hatchback Mercedes Benz Sports Truck": https://youtu.be/iL0u6e8NRE4
Holy fuck I lost my shit at the banana bit. How is this not an open and shut case at this point? The glaring ineptitude of everyone involved and just how poorly this is all being carried out really does deserve to be immortalized in law school textbooks.
 
It's not our legal system. It's our culture.

We have a culture that absolutely will NOT allow people to consider the fact that this giant black guy who was high off his tits committing multiple felonies was anything other than a great and noble savage who could literally do no wrong. That the cop that had been doing his job for literal decades could literally know what to do with a drugged out junkie and instead must have been a secret white nationalist who hated the noble savages.

You are NOT allowed to recognize that there's a problem with crime in urban areas. That there's a racial component to crime rates. That there's hundreds if not thousands of Floyds in every single major city, more in blue ones.

And because we're not allowed to trust our lying eyes, we have to go through this kabuki theater where we have to pretend that Floyd was a literal fucking saint and we have to find some way to explain why Chauvin did what he did to such an innocent boy wot dindu nuffin.

And this will keep happening until some rich white woman is affected publicly enough that it shocks the other rich white women back into reality. Something like a gang rape and murder on livestream, or a home invasion in a gated community.
I dont think there's going back


Remember the time niggers kidnapped and raped some guy with autism? The media ran a cover up campaign across political aisles


Hell, the latest Asian hate memery is all done by blacks
 
So I missed the last cop (I write incident reports guy), had to finish some stuff. What did he say? Seems like he got ripped apart by the defence from the highlight comments (the one where they tag out the incompetent female prosecutor for the white guy).
 
Here's the day 3 recap for those just catching up.

/ctg/ SUMMARRY ARCHIVE

DAY 3 RECAP:
>We got new footage, including 3 new bodycams and multiple CCTV footage (one had George doing the Floyd shuffle after playing with a banana) (yes.)
>First genuine tears in this trial came from an old guy who wasn't even crying about George. It's important to remember nobody gave a damn about George until it was politically relevant.
>Karen the Firefighter's unceremonious send-off: https://youtu.be/vBDbIv-oXi4
>Cup Foods cashier inadvertently sets off the burning of America: https://youtu.be/5gM9GVb-7sM
>Guy from across the street sees police draw gun, starts recording: https://youtu.be/vW7twa5zU2s
>Old nig sheds the only genuine tears in the trial about his dead mother: https://youtu.be/fwpr9TOgz34
>Prosecution decides to help out the defense with their IT guy witness and introduce the four bodycam videos into evidence, we see Floyd "MAMA" and "BRO BRO BRO" 4 times in a row: https://youtu.be/hKXszHV16AM

>Floyd does some shucking and jiving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xbtXQxAXME
>"Did you sell him a banana?" : https://youtu.be/1mpKEaHw6EE
>"A hatchback Mercedes Benz Sports Truck": https://youtu.be/iL0u6e8NRE4

Nearly choked on the "Did you sell him a banana?" question. The way the guy said that was hilarious.
 
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So I missed the last cop (I write incident reports guy), had to finish some stuff. What did he say? Seems like he got ripped apart by the defence from the highlight comments.
He basically got asked if he'd seen anything but the bodycam footage, and he hadnt

right now where I am he just got forced to admit that no good medicine takes place in a firefight.

And his hesitancy to admit that was pretty damning, when he's trying to argue that he would do both at once, only to backoff when given the example of CPR during a firefight.

oh, he also just said he talks to the officers responsible, but earlier said he didn't talk to Chauvin though he was there.
 
Holy fuck I lost my shit at the banana bit. How is this not an open and shut case at this point? The glaring ineptitude of everyone involved and just how poorly this is all being carried out really does deserve to be immortalized in law school textbooks.
I feel truly sorry for the older black generation. Imagine living through decades of actual racism and discrimination, hoping to see a world where your children and grandchildren can actually achieve great things, and instead you get a crime-ridden, drug-suffused, fatherless mob of convicts as your future.
 
Hey @AnOminous , I wanna ask for your knowledge on this: if the prosecutor brings specific charges, can the jury go "not theses charges, but lesser ones instead"? (Be found guilty of manslaughter instead of murder?)
It depends whether they're on the menu. At some point, the parties get to present suggested jury instructions (assuming they haven't already). These are usually in something called "pattern jury instructions," which are a set of non-legally-binding suggestions as to what instructions juries should be given under various statutes. These aren't actual statute. They are, however, compiled by legally knowledgeable people based on what kind of instructions have been upheld or overruled in previous cases, and are intended to be accurate statements of what the jury needs to find to convict or acquit.

So they are the equivalent of "best practices." And in some cases, the prosecution or defense may suggest changes to them or request special instructions. The pattern instructions can't really cover all possibilities. For instance, either party may require the jury to fill out some kind of detailed questionnaire as to actual findings of fact, because ordinarily all you get out of a jury in a criminal case is "guilty" or "not guilty."

And in the case of what are called "lesser included offenses," those also get special jury instructions. It's generally a strategic choice whether to ask for them. LIOs generally require congruent elements, i.e. the LIO has to include some lesser subset of the greater charge's elements, but can not include elements not in the greater offense. If the elements aren't congruent, you aren't talking about an LIO but a completely separate offense.

This is the set of them for Minnesota, but is apparently not available for free except on paper. Maybe someone in Minnesota should look them up for these charges. Can anyone send a bat signal to Rekieta?
 
He basically got asked if he'd seen anything but the bodycam footage, and he hadnt

right now where I am he just got forced to admit that no good medicine takes place in a firefight.

And his hesitancy to admit that was pretty damning, when he's trying to argue that he would do both at once, only to backoff when given the example of CPR during a firefight.
That's sounds pretty bad, I'm going back over it now. And I thought he would be a refreshing break from monotone EMTs and medical jargon. Sounds like every guy they bring in shoots their case down even more.
 
If even the judge is confused, imagine the jury. It's the defense who wants the jury confused, or at least they would if they were the ones who had this bad a case.
normally yeah but the defense is so weak and ill-constructed it seems like defense is going on the offensive, rather than just poking holes in pros' story they're writing a full version on their own

which is insane that they're even able to do that much- pros should have this in the bag easily, the level of incompetence from them so far is staggering. bury the lead, confuse the jury, anger the judge, bewilder their own witnesses, if this goes not guilty (and it's gonna be up in the air no matter what due to political pressure and implications) then it'll be a textbook on how NOT to prosecute, kinda like OJ

the fargo references have already been made in abundance but every day this trial becomes more and more like a weird coen brothers movie, the oddball characters and impossibly weird interactions make the stakes and setting all the funnier. I'm waiting for george clooney to step in as defense's surprise witness and deliver an impassioned but confused monologue
 
I could see the argument that Chauvin and the other officers were negligent in their handling of Floyd, and was even somewhat inclined towards it. In my opinion, this day went REALLY BAD for the prosecutors if they were trying to make that case.
The closest they got was getting the officer to say that yeah, sometimes officers should render aid not harm, but then again he said officers should also do the opposite sometimes so it's not like this yes-man was any good to anyone.
 
I feel truly sorry for the older black generation. Imagine living through decades of actual racism and discrimination, hoping to see a world where your children and grandchildren can actually achieve great things, and instead you get a crime-ridden, drug-suffused, fatherless mob of convicts as your future.
check out jesse lee peterson who is essentially an ultraconservative black radio host. he grew up under Jim Crow, and he says that blacks had it better then than they do now. hes pretty funny and interesting

 
I dont think there's going back


Remember the time niggers kidnapped and raped some guy with autism? The media ran a cover up campaign across political aisles


Hell, the latest Asian hate memery is all done by blacks

Empathy fatigue. A tactic the woke left uses against people is to shout RACIST and make people flinch. But that only works so often before you stop giving a shit.

And they're doing it now on a society wide level.

It's the whole Gen Z thing all over again. They can clamp down and make the idea of the Pavement Apes not being Great Noble Savages a hate thought that NO ONE can think yet alone articulate... but all that's doing is driving people to various flavors of /pol/.
 
yep, it all comes down to the opiate density, since fentanyl is 20x as potent as heroin, pound for pound it is easier to get in. then the distributors put it through a pill press and make it look like an oxycontin or percocet. they generally do try to measure it out so it approximates the strength of what it appears as, but when dealing with microgram doses, you have to be extremely precise.
And that's really not possible outside of lab with tens of thousands of dollars of equipment. A SINGLE GRAIN of ordinary table salt is more than 50 micrograms on average, so imagine having to dose something 1/50th the size. You're talking dust particles of precision.
 
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