The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

[Pixy]

So, this lolbert believes Fox News? Or are they not MSM enough despite pulling in bigger audiences than CNN?

Well, the Murdoch media empire is a completely different beast to MSM entirely.

 

[Plank]

I must have perceived the testimony in another way because what I gathered was he did not act according to protocol in that he didn’t stop restraining Floyd to reassess the situation. If I was on that jury right now I’d have a really hard time getting past the body cam footage; I found it distressing. But like I said the medical examiners testimony will swing it either way, although I expect prosecutions ME will have a differing opinion to the defence’s.

I am very interested to see the defence’s argument and I do not make up my mind one way or another until both sides rest. If the defence put on doctors and other professionals testifying that Floyd would have OD’d anyway even if he hadn’t been restrained the way he was then I’d be inclined to lean towards them. That’s just the way I’m seeing it so far, but once the defence are up we will see the other side. If they reveal that Floyd would have likely experienced a cardiac arrest regardless of the officers actions then that is a huge piece of reasonable doubt.

"I found it distressing"
That is not how a jury operates.

If you were on the jury, you would be given an exact copy of the Minnesota charges:

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/the-trial-of-derek-chauvin.87600/page-29#post-8648844

And your job would be able to precisely state how the evidence presented in the case has been met for one or more of the highlighted sections in the above link.

For example on the manslaughter charge:

by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another

How exactly have those conditions been met?
Right now, the defense hasn't even started and we already have prosecution witnesses stating and state evidence showing that:

• Floyd was in the recovery position when he(the EMT) arrived on the scene
• The autopsy revealed no life threatening injuries - especially to the neck and throat
• That Chauvin was quickly upgrading the ambulance call from a Code 2 to Code 3 immediately upon seeing Floyd's bloody nose

You have to be able to convince your fellow jurors that Chauvin's actions constituted an 'unreasonable risk" for example. And for every other requirement listed in the relevant sections of the three charges being brought forth by the state.

 

[Denmark Mafia]

Day 5 Streams

I recommend this channel for the amount of shitposters in chat:

https://www.youtube.com/c/LawCrimeNetwork/featured

 

[NyQuilninja]

Sky news is still loading

 

[AnOminous]

Are you one of those people who don't know that the super destressing knee on neck didn't leave any injuries at all? Not even a bruise.

I'll remind you the defense is calling an expert on this kind of hold. From this guy's post:

Barry V. Brodd | Use of Force Expert Witness

Expert Witness Barry V. Brodd, BVB & Associates, Consulting and Expert Witness Services

www.almexperts.com

He specializes in, amongst others, expert testimony around the use of choke holds. He's on the defense list

This testimony should be particularly illuminating. I'm fairly familiar with the law specifically on the now mostly illegal "carotid chokehold," but I really didn't even know about this knee to the neck one, which generally is still legal, although its use is somewhat restricted and Chauvin doesn't appear to have done exactly what the manual says even if he was justified in initially using it, which I'm also not completely convinced of.

 

[Linako 2.0]

You make the mistake that white people can't be niggers too. Except that they can actually leave the favela and come to your city to start causing shit in next.

The Stranger within my gate,
He may be true or kind,
But he does not talk my talk--
I cannot feel his mind.
I see the face and the eyes and the mouth,
But not the soul behind.

The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
They are used to the lies I tell;
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell.

The Stranger within my gates,
He may be evil or good,
But I cannot tell what powers control--
What reasons sway his mood;
Nor when the Gods of his far-off land
Shall repossess his blood.

The men of my own stock,
Bitter bad they may be,
But, at least, they hear the things I hear,
And see the things I see;
And whatever I think of them and their likes
They think of the likes of me.

This was my father's belief
And this is also mine:
Let the corn be all one sheaf--
And the grapes be all one vine,
Ere our children's teeth are set on edge
By bitter bread and wine.​

 

[DocMorbis]

Im still waiting for the prosecution to barley meet the burden of proof on at least manslaughter. Other than mah feels they have yet to prove that Chavan acted negligent.

 

[Not Really Here]

but I really didn't even know about this knee to the neck one,

From the lack of injury, this "hold" seems like it's shitty training that doesn't accomplish much, FFS cuffs can easily cause more injury than this did.
I kind of expect at least some injury/bruising from any kind of effective control hold.
In my asshole opinion this prosecution seems to have forgotten that the law seems to require a positive action that causes death, and not just the inaction of failing to render aid, in an after the fact "timely" manner.
If this comes down(as I think it will) to a negligent positional asphyxia argument from the prosecution I don't see them making a case.

 

[Plank]

Now enjoy some memes

 

[Cpl. Long Dong Silver]

He was basically Moon Man with a badge. It was ridiculous.

Fucking based

 

[Pink Lily]

I read the autopsy report I know he didn’t have injuries to the neck and the ‘mob’ was around 8 people who were concerned by what they were seeing. Chauvin has had 17 complaints logged and was involved in two shootings. He’s no martyr himself. I’m not here to argue anyway I’m not ‘one of those people’, I just see it differently and that’s allowed we can all agree to disagree. The jury is making the decision not us but not everyone will perceive the evidence in the same way. There must be some evidence that he was in the wrong to be charged and on trial for 2nd and 3rd degree murder and manslaughter.

If the jury find him not guilty then he’s not guilty and that is the end of it. I respect your opinion, I’m not saying you’re wrong but just because I don’t see it the same way you do doesn’t mean I’m wrong. The jury is made of people of all ages, backgrounds, with their own opinions, I doubt everyone of them will agree on the first vote in deliberations. But once they get into debating then some members will likely change their opinion.

 

[ogmudbone]

I hope the cop gets fucked because fuck cops. Basically if the cop gets fucked on top of St. Floyd passing away, there will be 2 shitty people removed off the planet.

This is bait.

 

[AOCsBigTeeth]

If the jury find him not guilty then he’s not guilty and that is the end of it. I respect your opinion, I’m not saying you’re wrong but just because I don’t see it the same way you do doesn’t mean I’m wrong.

Yes, you are wrong. In fact, you are objectively wrong.

Murder implies intent, Chauvin had no intent to murder. As evidenced by his priority ambulance call and Floyd being found in a recovery position by EMS.

 

[Activelo]

Pastebin was updated.

/ctg/ SUMMARRY ARCHIVE


Day 4
>Druggie GF has the creepiest facial expressions, rats out dealers, is called "Mama" by Floyd: https://youtu.be/v8z52cJYEko
>first paramedic on scene thinks Floyd's dead, wants to abandon scene: https://youtu.be/cFCujiB6CuQ
>second paramedic on scene agrees: https://youtu.be/kQsyAv9KwPY
>firefighter captain says they sent ambulance out on Code 2 (no lights, obey law, get there as quickly as possible) instead of Code 3 (GET OVER HERE NOW): https://youtu.be/cwRrPeSnU-8
>Chauvin's boss throws him under the bus, thinks Chauvin went too far - but through some Nelson lawyer shenanigans, his opinion ends up being worth jack: https://youtu.be/oi2E0By1QjA

>Nelson pulls a Phoenix Wright, we discover "Mama" actually referred to druggie GF instead of Floyd's mom: https://youtu.be/JQfC77N8jSQ
>EMT forgets where Chauvin's knee was despite the riots: https://youtu.be/rTLWJ6F_uZ0
>EMT tries to dunk on MPLS PD and their lack of CPR, gets shut down by Nelson: https://youtu.be/Wo8WaGGyz9M
>Nelson fires another barrage, state can't establish foundation for entering Chauvin's boss's official opinion into evidence so into the trash it goes: https://youtu.be/IjM3BmPvOS0

 

[Bongocat]

This is bait.

cops are shit, but this isn't really about cops and it never has been.

 

[break these cuffs]

cops are shit, but this isn't really about cops and it never has been.

The best outcome is Chauvin found inoccent, cities burn again, some black antifaggot tracks Chauvin down and kills him, gets killed during arrest himself, cities riot, and we're left with another trial.

 

[Linako 2.0]

Dis nigga got a PS1 haircut in the front and a PS2 dreads in the back lmao.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

...... THIS guy is the sergeant???

 

[Not Really Here]

the ‘mob’ was around 8 people who were concerned by what they were seeing.

That's 8 people who could attack at any time and you don't know their motive for yelling at the cops, you're just assuming "concern".

Chauvin has had 17 complaints logged and was involved in two shootings.

Irrelevant to the question at hand.

just because I don’t see it the same way you do doesn’t mean I’m wrong.

No, what makes you wrong are your assumptions about what matters to this case.
You know the knee didn't matter to the death so what killed Floyd?
What action(not inaction) by the cops caused Floyd's death? Because that's all that matters for these charges.

Edit: 17 "complaints" in 19 years on the force, less than one a year while interacting with members of the public thousands of times a year.

 

[Linako 2.0]

Anyone got the feeling the sergeant is trying too hard to sound eloquent?