The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

[General Disarray]

I was actually amazed at what I was hearing. He actually said that when you put someone in handcuffs they are basically just incapacitated. And if they are hostile, just get them to sit on the curb. I don't believe I am exaggerating when I say this, did I mishear or something? He also seemed to admit that the very process of handcuffing someone makes them unable to breathe by stretching their lungs, so no matter what if you have them in handcuffs you restrict their breathing. Which means he seemed to be implying he should have just used his martial arts skills to dodge any attack while talking him down onto the curb? What the fuck am I listening to here?

I'm glad that my dad passed away a few years ago, he'd have a heart attack listening to that "lieutenant"s testimony (same rank as my old man). Hell, he'd blow a valve knowing this bullshit is actually going to trial.

 

[Top Skink]

Idk if we talked about this in the thread yet but I don't remember seeing it. What's your take on if Chauvin is actually gonna take the stand and say anything? Would it help his case, hurt it, be pointless, etc.

it's same rules as pretty much any trial- it can theoretically be a useful way to garner sympathy and address the jury with your story directly, but if you come across as in any way unlikeable you're fucked, and moreover the pros can craft good questions to crucify you and often it opens up a lot of evidence that can fuck you over, even unintentionally. it's generally not advised even in low-level trials because, frankly, not saying anything is a way better defense than saying something wrong. if you stay silent you and details around you remain a mystery, whereas if you testify it forced the jury to make personal judgements about you and your character- and leaving open questions is always good for the defense.

this is all to say, way better he says nothing and jury can't decide if he's a terrible meanie poopoo racist or not, than he takes the stand and pros very intricately words questions to certainly make him look like a bad guy, no matter what he says. there's a reason that people avoid testifying, that smart people so value the 5th amendment in general, and that judges have to make it very clear to the jury that not testifying in no way is used to show guilt.

 

[AmazingEagle]

Idk if we talked about this in the thread yet but I don't remember seeing it. What's your take on if Chauvin is actually gonna take the stand and say anything? Would it help his case, hurt it, be pointless, etc.

If Chauvin does take the stand and say something, he will probably defend himself and use Floyd's autopsy to show that he wasn't responsible for his death, I don't if his defense will work or not tbh.

 

[Big Meaty Claws]

Have they used the fact that he was surrounded by assholes who were literally getting in his way as a counterargument? It's kind of hard to do your job "by the letter" when you have to worry about a chimp jumping you.

Honestly if officer chang wasn;t there, this would have been a very different story with a group of chimps jumping them

 

[AnOminous]

Is it just me or does this dude sound retarded?
"If someone is handcuffed they are not a threat."
"So they couldn't do anything to fight back?"
"Well I guess they could get up and kick you and move around.... but you can just move out of the way."

Is this boomer serious?

On your back is actually the best position to get up from by kicking or punching up at the guy you can actually see. This is why face down restraint is a thing. You can neither kick, nor punch, nor even really see the person restraining you.

 

[Basado]

 

[MoeChotto]

Calling it now. Guy worked in the 80's and early 90's, some internet sleuth is gonna look into his record and find a shitload of abuse complaints.

I don't know how to find a full record, but I did find a complaint where he was sued for use of excessive force, assault, and malicious prosecution.

 

[AnOminous]

What the fuck am I listening to here?

I believe you are listening to bullshit, of the sort generally called "complete" bullshit.

 

[LUNEKO]

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"that's bullshit.
this whole thing is bullshit
that's a scam
fuck the state
here's 95 OD reports showing why"

 

[Ari Gold]

Idk if we talked about this in the thread yet but I don't remember seeing it. What's your take on if Chauvin is actually gonna take the stand and say anything? Would it help his case, hurt it, be pointless, etc.

Some have suggested that the defense should call him in an attempt humanize him. It could give the jury the opportunity to see things from his perspective.

But if you call him, the state gets a chance to cross. And that is never fun, especially if your boy says something that opens the door for something that paints him in a negative light.

I would not call him or have him testify. The risk is not worth the reward to me. I would hope that the body cam footage and other officer statements would allow the jury to see things from his perspective.

 

[Krispum Western Chumbler]

Can't wait for this cross exam. Eric is going to go all in.

 

[Top Skink]

If Chauvin does take the stand and say something, he will probably defend himself and use Floyd's autopsy to show that he wasn't responsible for his death, I don't if his defense will work or not tbh.

it won't. A very basic way to understand why the defendant should not take the stand, is that it (in the eyes of the jury) transforms the case from "well did prosecution tell a story that I believe beyond a reasonable doubt?" to "well did this defendant tell a story I believe at all?", and if they don't, you're fucked. The case centers around the defendant's account and if even one minute, tiny detail is off, the jury will think you're lying and take your lie as proof of guilt. It turns innocent til proven guilty into guilty til proven innocent, and that's an awful place to be, especially with how easy it is to discredit witnesses. The defense rarely wants to set out a full, coherent explanation of what happened (that's prosecution's job), rather they want to poke holes and open questions to the point jury can't say beyond reasonable doubt. if the defendant testifies, you're essentially flipping the script and sticking yourself and your case to a single, narrow explanation of what happened, that if for any reason isn't believed, will be taken as guilt.

A big leap in speculation but could the way he's answering be more to protect the department from wrongful dismissal claims, particularly for the two newbies? Especially if the city already paid out $27 million before the trials.

>a large organization leaves small time people out to dry to sate the mob and wash their hands of any wrongdoing or repercussions
say it ain't so joe, imargin moi shark

 

[Celebrate Nite]

Did these prosecutors forget that the body cam videos from two days ago show that the knee was actually on the shoulder and NOT on the neck? Or are they just playing stupid?

 

[Random Internet Person]

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Was that the footage from Duke University?

 

[The Last Stand]

What exactly can they even get Chauvin on? Virtually all the remaining charges require intent and the prosecution hasn't even come close to proving it.

Being a certain race. But this isn't the 20th century.

 

[Big Meaty Claws]

Did these prosecutors forget that the body cam videos from two days ago show that the knee was actually on the shoulder and NOT on the neck? Or are they just playing stupid?

Prosecution has been full on retard this whole trial, its insane

 

[AnOminous]

Some have suggested that the defense should call him in an attempt humanize him. It could give the jury the opportunity to see things from his perspective.

He's not listed on the defense's witness list. So apparently, that is not going to happen. It is a strategic choice by the defense. The defense obviously has more direct access to information that would inform their decision, so while my opinion remains that they should call him, it is entirely possible the defense has very good reasons for not doing that. It is always dangerous to call the defendant.

Also after looking at how the prosecution is absolutely belly flopping, it's looking like they may see no reason to make a high stakes gamble when the other side is going out of their way to shoot themselves in the feet, then reload and do it again.

 

[Bongocat]

Did these prosecutors forget that the body cam videos from two days ago show that the knee was actually on the shoulder and NOT on the neck? Or are they just playing stupid?

everyone on that jury has been told for an entire year that he was kneeling on his neck and they are never to question that. A video is not going to undo a year of brainwashing.

 

[Not Really Here]

Sorry, I didn’t mean to speak out of place, I didn’t know that about the state Supreme Court I’m learning now from what’s being posted here, I only know of what has been said in court. Also how the media is talking about the things I mentioned, they are portraying this as going in the states favour, probably because they are worried about the crazies that will come out if he doesn’t get convicted. I’m not familiar with law but thank you for correcting me.

I apologise and will slip back off to lolcows now, made a fool of myself enough for today.

All of the media always get everything wrong(very slight exaggeration), with our current technology you can spend less time doing your own research than you waste reading/watching the media while becoming far more informed that those same media outlets.

 

[7he47r0n]

Isn't it sad, yet hilarious at the same time? We sneer and deride the various justice systems of centuries past as being "cruel", or "backwards", or "nonsensical", yet here we are, observing a case which already was fairly clear-cut, and only gets more so with every passing day, spending hundreds of man hours and millions of dollars trying to appease an angry mob and an even angrier political agenda. A case constructed purely out of a combination of an emotional reaction to a crime scene, filmed by multiple people, and a political cause du jour, where a convicted felon is being portrayed as a pure individual, despite a, let's say, storied and violent past being more than well documented. This, my weary friends, is what we call "Clown World". And I want out of the circus.