🐱 ‘Star Wars’ Spotlights Trans Non-Binary Jedi Characters

Jack Awful · Apr 4, 2021

I still say the best move woulda been to have Rey join Kylo at the end of episode 8.

That way she has a flaw (susceptible to evil), her being overpowered is now interesting because the heroes have to overcome it, and it adds a twist to the Star Wars formula.

Android raptor · Apr 4, 2021

Antipathy said:
>Rey isn't a Mary sue
*All the reasons Rey is a Mary Sue*
>Well, Luke is too!
*All the reasons Luke is not a Mary Sue*
>Rey isn't a Mary Sue because [headcanon] and [things that didn't happen in the movies]
*All the reasons that is bullshit and Rey is a Mary Sue
>You don't know what a Mary Sue is!
*I clearly establish I know what I'm talking about*
>What about Beowulf? What about James Bond! He's a hundred times worse than Rey, who not only is better than everyone at everything, but warps a previously established franchise to do it? I find boring Mary Sue way more interested than fun Mary Sue, and also, it wasn't malicious
Pictured below: Kathleen Kennedy, in charge of Lucasfilm, with some women I can't bother identifying, clearly pushing an agenda:

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Rey was made to push an agenda and this is blatantly clear. The Disney Trilogy was meant to push away all those old characters people liked, like Luke Skywalker and Han Solo, and replace them with a more diverse and fresh cast. The problem is that a rampant Mary Sue occurred and it was done in such a sloppy, insulting fashion that years later, it's still the biggest media embarrassment I've ever seen in my life. Rey isn't a stock everyman protagonist, she's a Mary Sue, and you've stopped even bothering to try and argue against this, because all your claims were and still are bullshit. You like it? Fine, live vicariously through the Mary Sue. But don't fucking lecture me about how this wasn't to push an agenda, look at the title of the thread, and understand this would've never happened if it wasn't for Rey Sue and a whipped fanbase consooming product. Don't pretend that this isn't, on the face of it, a Mary Sue created with political intent.

James Bond, Superman, and Beowulf are completely irrelevant to Rey being a Mary Sue, and you can actually argue on levels that the aforementioned three aren't as massive Sues as Rey, because they have at least the decency to be in their own franchise, rather than warping everything around them like awful fanfiction. Because the Disney movies remind me of awful, wish fulfillment fanfiction (and it is from critiques/sporkings of that where I learned the phrase Mary Sue, in case you're curious). I have read better written fanfiction. I have read better written erotic fanfiction.

Your argument for Rey not being a Mary Sue is repeatedly stating it, ignoring my arguments, and fabricating things that did not happen.

Nah I just don't give enough of a fuck to type giant walls of text of shit I already said. I actually addressed all that shit but you just basically went LALALALALA SHES STILL A SUE BECAUSE I SAY SO all pidgeon playing chess and shit. I may be an autistic retard but clearly not enough of one to sperg as much as you do.

Wasn't that The Force is Female pic for a clothing line at a shoe store? Either way having a shitfit over a pic of some women wearing shirts taken years ago is just as retarded as the people that still bring up gamergate.

Damn dude what a fucking black hole of autism this thread is.

Jack Awful said:
I still say the best move woulda been to have Rey join Kylo at the end of episode 8.

That way she has a flaw (susceptible to evil), her being overpowered is now interesting because the heroes have to overcome it, and it adds a twist to the Star Wars formula.

That's actually the one major complaint I have about her as a character, I think she should've gone dark. If not joining Kylo in TLJ, then joining granpappy Palps in TROS. Hell they could've even broken TROS into two parts at had the first part end with her joining Palpatine and the second part about Ben trying to get her back. That would've been badass. Dark Rey is the shit.

Antipathy · Apr 4, 2021

Android raptor said:
Nah I just don't give enough of a fuck to type giant walls of text of shit I already said. I actually addressed all that shit but you just basically went LALALALALA SHES STILL A SUE BECAUSE I SAY SO all pidgeon playing chess and shit. I may be an autistic retard but clearly not enough of one to sperg as much as you do.

Wasn't that The Force is Female pic for a clothing line at a shoe store? Either way having a shitfit over a pic of some women wearing shirts taken years ago is just as retarded as the people that still bring up gamergate.

Damn dude what a fucking black hole of autism this thread is.

You also made giant walls of text denying basic shit, sticking your fingers in your ears and hurling baseless accusations rather than contest my arguments at all. You would make a point and I would demonstrate how you were either talking out of your ass or outright making shit up, before you suddenly started bringing in unrelated characters (Superman, Goku, Beowulf, James Bond, Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker), slandering me as a sexist or a dumbass, or just outright repeating shit I already debunked.

Don't claim moral superiority like you didn't also make giant walls of text, because that would make you a hypocrite as well as a retard (by your own admission).

As for the context of the picture: the fact that there's a Force Is Female line at all demonstrates an ideology which would obviously be a reasonable precedent for Rey existing. To quote The Time Machine:
"Very simple was my explanation, and plausible enough—as most wrong theories are!", and of course, I cannot definitively prove this, but you do realize that Occam's Razor is still a useful tool and ideology -> Mary Sue to push ideology is a short and simple explanation supported by evidence, namely: this thread's start.

TL : DR

Marshal Mannerheim said:
Why am I unsurprised that the lesbian feminist who spends all her time on the Abortion Debate thread bitching about pro-lifers is reeeeeing about how Rey isn't a Mary Sue?

Tasty Tatty · Apr 4, 2021

Antipathy said:
Mary Sues are typically protagonists, and are often also author self-inserts, but this need not be mandatory.

It is, even if it's not always obvious. Rei is a self-insert but in a most abstract way, she's how the people who created her see themselves and think all women are. Kind of an "aspirational self-insert".

Antipathy · Apr 4, 2021

Tasty Tatty said:
It is, even if it's not always obvious. Rei is a self-insert but in a most abstract way, she's how the people who created her see themselves and think all women are. Kind of an "aspirational self-insert".

I meant that in the sense of being a rather literal author self insert (see Fanfiction.net or most isekai), but yes, Rey is exactly that as well.

TowinKarz · Apr 4, 2021

Tasty Tatty said:
It is, even if it's not always obvious. Rei is a self-insert but in a most abstract way, she's how the people who created her see themselves and think all women are. Kind of an "aspirational self-insert".

Wish I had the "winner" rating still for this, hits it right on the head in a way I've been trying to do but missing.

It's not that she's a Mary Sue, but she's obviously the creation of not a passionate Star Wars writer, but a roomful of execs with trendy victim studies degrees, and it's obvious her entire character is a phony designed-by-committee construct meant to please a specific handful of targeted demographics....

Antipathy · Apr 4, 2021

TowinKarz said:
Wish I had the "winner" rating still for this, it's not that she's a Mary Sue, but she's obviously the creation of not a passionate Star Wars writer, but a roomfull of execs with trendy victim studies degrees, and it's obvious her entire character is a phony designed-by-committee construct.

Exactly, and this is what I said earlier:

Antipathy said:
Rey was made to push an agenda and this is blatantly clear. The Disney Trilogy was meant to push away all those old characters people liked, like Luke Skywalker and Han Solo, and replace them with a more diverse and fresh cast.

Rey was made by committee, and made infallible because we can't have a woman fail, because that isn't feminist (IMO).

Android raptor · Apr 4, 2021

Antipathy said:
You also made giant walls of text denying basic shit, sticking your fingers in your ears and hurling baseless accusations rather than contest my arguments at all. You would make a point and I would demonstrate how you were either talking out of your ass or outright making shit up, before you suddenly started bringing in unrelated characters (Superman, Goku, Beowulf, James Bond, Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker), slandering me as a sexist or a dumbass, or just outright repeating shit I already debunked.

Don't claim moral superiority like you didn't also make giant walls of text, because that would make you a hypocrite as well as a retard (by your own admission).

As for the context of the picture: the fact that there's a Force Is Female line at all demonstrates an ideology which would obviously be a reasonable precedent for Rey existing. To quote The Time Machine:
"Very simple was my explanation, and plausible enough—as most wrong theories are!", and of course, I cannot definitively prove this, but you do realize that Occam's Razor is still a useful tool and ideology -> Mary Sue to push ideology is a short and simple explanation supported by evidence, namely: this thread's start.

TL : DR

Not as big as your textwalls.

Also Rey could strangle James Bond with his own testicles. That might actually be a cool art piece. Would probably generate some great salt. Maybe have Luke in a gimpsuit in the background or some shit as well idk.

Antipathy · Apr 4, 2021

Android raptor said:
Not as big as your textwalls.

Also Rey could strangle James Bond with his own testicles. That might actually be a cool art piece. Would probably generate some great salt.

Yeah, and Power Man, the Most Powerful Man Of All Fiction, could kill anything. I'll take your complete failure to raise even a counterpoint as admission of being wrong.

Android raptor · Apr 4, 2021

Antipathy said:
Yeah, and Power Man, the Most Powerful Man Of All Fiction, could kill anything. I'll take your complete failure to raise even a counterpoint as admission of being wrong.

Nah I'm right and u know it honeybun<3

I would actually watch a Bond movie if Rey like randomly busted in when he was doing some boring Mary Sue shit and killed him (and then maybe banged all the chicks), that would actually be interesting and not just 60+ years of the same old suefic

Antipathy · Apr 4, 2021

Android raptor said:
Nah I'm right and u know it honeybun<3

I would actually watch a Bond movie if Rey like randomly busted in when he was doing some boring Mary Sue shit and killed him (and then maybe banged all the chicks), that would actually be interesting and not just 60+ years of the same old suefic

I would totally watch a franchise if an even bigger Mary Sue just appeared in a giant orgy of self indulgence, ruined the scene, etc. (This is sarcasm for the autists in the room). I'd also watch a movie where Sonichu defeats and then assrapes Rey while pointing even he's less of a Mary Sue than her while the executives of Disney are shot live on set, (this is not sarcasm) but that doesn't mean it'd be a good movie.

You've gone now from being retarded to explicitly trolling, and have stopped even trying to make an argument. It's here where I'll declare I win, because you aren't arguing anymore.

Android raptor · Apr 4, 2021

Antipathy said:
I would totally watch a franchise if an even bigger Mary Sue just appeared in a giant orgy of self indulgence, ruined the scene, etc. I'd also watch a movie where Sonichu assrapes Rey while pointing even he's less of a Mary Sue than her before the executives of Disney are shot live on stage, but that doesn't mean it'd be a good movie.

You've gone now from being retarded to explicitly trolling.

Nah that's what pretty much ever butthurt fanboy wants to see.

Since Disney apparently created Rey solely to maliciously ruin franchises and make manbabies cry they should totally stick her in other franchises they own. I'd love to see her shoot Simba, then sit down, skin him, and eat him like the feral white trash she is. Maybe she can also be the hunter that kills Bambis mom, who of course also kills Bambi too (who btw is also a Mary Sue). Maybe she just goes around killing every single character in anything disney owns until it is only her and Disney becomes just Rey and Rey Alone.

Then by your standards even if she was a Sue (shes not), it would be OK, because it's ok even for a character to be one of the biggest Sues in fiction as long as the franchise revolves solely around them.

Antipathy · Apr 4, 2021

Android raptor said:
Nah that's what pretty much ever butthurt fanboy wants to see.

Since Disney apparently created Rey solely to maliciously ruin franchises and make manbabies cry they should totally stick her in other franchises they own. I'd love to see her shoot Simba, then sit down, skin him, and eat him like the feral white trash she is. Maybe she can also be the hunter that kills Bambis mom, who of course also kills Bambi too (who btw is also a Mary Sue). Maybe she just goes around killing every single character in anything disney owns until it is only her and Disney becomes just Rey and Rey Alone.

Then by your standards even if she was a Sue (shes not), it would be OK, because it's ok even for a character to be one of the biggest Sues in fiction as long as the franchise revolves solely around them.

I'd also like to see Disney shoot themselves in the foot in such a matter. Just have it be a Mary Sue Thunderdome between Rey and Captain Marvel in the end, before the two fuse, go Sue-per Saiyan, and then DC buys out the company before getting fucked by antitrust legislation.

Also, still no, because the franchises weren't originally made for Rey Sue. Try again sweaty. :3

Android raptor · Apr 4, 2021

Antipathy said:
I'd also like to see Disney shoot themselves in the foot in such a matter. Just have it be a Mary Sue Thunderdome between Rey and Captain Marvel in the end, before the two fuse, go Sue-per Saiyan, and then DC liquidates the company.

Also, still no, because the franchises weren't originally made for Rey Sue. Try again sweaty. :3

They're made for her now

Captain Marvel and Rey start to throw down but just end up spitroasting whatever character would cause the most neckbeard tears, idk Vader or Luke or something. Since Rey apparently exists exclusively to generate fanboy tears. Might as well go all out, Disney.

Antipathy · Apr 4, 2021

Android raptor said:
They're made for her now

Captain Marvel and Rey start to throw down but just end up spitroasting whatever character would cause the most neckbeard tears, idk Vader or Luke or something. Since Rey apparently exists exclusively to generate fanboy tears. Might as well go all out, Disney.

At this point, you're just being a retarded troll, and I'm not going to humor you anymore, since you have nothing to say. How does it feel knowing you got your ass kicked by a Star Wars autist LARPing as an edgy skull on a retard-observation forum?

Android raptor · Apr 4, 2021

Antipathy said:
How does it feel knowing you got your ass kicked by a Star Wars autist LARPing as an edgy skull on a retard-observation forum?

Idk you tell me how it feels, can't say that's anything I've ever experienced myself.

Btw if you have to brag because you think you won an internet arguement about fucking star wars on an autistic shitposting forum, that says way more about you than it does about me.

Antipathy · Apr 4, 2021

Android raptor said:
Idk you tell me how it feels, can't say that's anything I've ever experienced myself.

Enjoy masturbating over the thought of a cold, corporate product made by committee triumphing over those evil fun men with their one liners and their culture of fun. I'm sure you have friends.

asr · Apr 4, 2021

Autism and slight PL

While I can understand the autism here, given that I have my own sperg outs with the elder scrolls, destiny and most fromsoft games, I think we can all agree that the mouse is behind all of this and needs to be broken up. I'm fucking tired of seeing the same corp sanitized, agenda driven bullshit time and time again. I think others are as well, and not just people like us on the forums. Look at the popularity of say for example worm. Taylor was a very much so broken individual, and while some of the aspects of the plot didn't make much sense she was by far a better protagonist than Rey ever was if you wanna look at just being females, hell most of the females in that series were better protagonists than Rey was.

I'm just tired of all the corp bullshit and these boomer execs looking at social media and harvesting data from firms making massive miscalculations then thinking well this is clearly what everyone wants or some retard with an agenda and in a position of control over an ip (and don't you dare tell me this doesn't happen. As the saying goes fool me once shame on me..)

Stories are used to inspire, be it emotion or thought, impart a lesson, serve as escapism from a shitty life in the last couple of decades, or all combination of all three. Seeing the Disney Trilogy what am I supposed to learn from this? what entertainment is there when there isn't something I can't relate to as a human being? I ask the same question to all media in a similar vein to it. It feeds slop that doesn't serve any purpose beyond making money or pushing an agenda.

On the topic of agendas look at shit like Last of us part 2, the narrative was THERE, yet so fucking poorly executed that it made no sense and came off as caring more about the agenda than story telling. Wrapping back to the mouse editions of Star Wars, I see the same fucking shit. The potential is there but in the attempt to cater to what they think will bring in the most money while the creative people are busy tying to shoehorn in their ideas of what they want, not what makes a good story. Fuck these people,

Android raptor · Apr 4, 2021

Antipathy said:
Enjoy masturbating over the thought of a cold, corporate product made by committee triumphing over those evil fun men with their one liners and their culture of fun. I'm sure you have friends.

Dude I have absolutely masturbated over Daisy Ridley's thighs and the thought of her crushing my skull with them. They're fucking incredible.

Also all big movies are corporate products made by committees these days. Just because you prefer the spy Mary Sue product to the space white trash girl product doesn't make it any less of a shallow, focus-group created cash grab.

asr said:
Stories are used to inspire, be it emotion or thought, impart a lesson, serve as escapism from a shitty life in the last couple of decades, or all combination of all three. Seeing the Disney Trilogy what am I supposed to learn from this? what entertainment is there when there isn't something I can't relate to as a human being?

Idk about you but I found Kylo to be the most relatable thing in any SW movies by far. He's like the concept of being a retarded edgelord in the early-mid 00s turned into the primary character of a trilogy and it speaks to me on a deep level.

Disney might be an evil soulless corporation but damn if I don't love me some Kyle Rons (and Rey).

Antipathy · Apr 4, 2021

Android raptor said:
Dude I have absolutely masturbated over Daisy Ridley's thighs and the thought of her crushing my skull with them. They're fucking incredible.

Also all big movies are corporate products made by committees these days. Just because you prefer the spy Mary Sue product to the space white trash girl product doesn't make it any less of a shallow, focus-group created cash grab.

Idk about you but I found Kylo to be the most relatable thing in any SW movies by far. He's like the concept of being a retarded edgelord in the early-mid 00s turned into the primary character of a trilogy and it speaks to me on a deep level.

Disney might be an evil soulless corporation but damn if I don't love me some Kyle Rons (and Rey).

I haven't read or watched anything from the mainstream made within the past decade since 2017. The last book I read was published in the 1890s (The Time Machine, HG Wells) and almost everything I touch is indie nowadays, because it isn't riddled with Mary Sue, unlike Disney. I'm not even into James Bond.

The fact that a retarded, unintimidating, shallow edgelord character speaks to you, I will leave to the other viewers to determine what that could mean.

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