The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

[AnOminous]

Every single witness is being dismantled by a defence.

The defense hasn't even had anything but cross so far. Bizarrely, the worst testimony for the prosecution has been the testimony they've elicited themselves.

 

[Top Skink]

The only thing going against Chauvin is the jury potentially having drank the koolaid.

Kinda but not fully- it's very likely that members of the jury, and most people generally, would like Chauvin to be convicted because that fits with the narrative that cops is racis wipipo and black people are good boyz who dindu nuffin. However, most people- jury included- are also pretty good and honest at heart and would certainly not convict chauvin if they really did think he was innocent. Therefore, it's a weird situation for the jury where they have to juggle orders from the judge to hold no bias (especially important in deliberation) while holding likely conflicting notions about whether chauvin 'should' be convicted. To solve this, they turn to the prosecution in hope it will lay out a good enough case that they can in good conscience find him guilty, and yet the pros is bobbling the ball every step of the way.

Never take anything for granted, as much as prosecution seems to be making slips the case isn't over until it's over, and there's a million reasons (legitimate or no) the jury could decide guilty or not guilty. Don't get too cocky is all, I'm sure the prosecution in 12 angry men was really sure of their case

 

[Lil Weed Lova]

Optimistic, juries have been known to convict on lesser included charges just because they didn't want the defendant to "get away scot-free."

The point is, even if they do, that's still lesser charges with a lesser sentence. It would be extremely unfair to Chauvin, yes, but he would still, figuratively speaking, get away with murder given how much of a blowback there was to this whole incident. And there's also an appeal court. that does tend to favor defendants.

 

[Merry]

The point is, even if they do, that's still lesser charges with a lesser sentence. It would be extremely unfair to Chauvin, yes, but he would still, figuratively speaking, get away with murder given how much of a blowback there was to this whole incident.

If they can't agree on murder unanimously this whole thing is going to a mistrial. It's already heavily on that path it seems.

 

[Meat Target]

The defense hasn't even had anything but cross so far. Bizarrely, the worst testimony for the prosecution has been the testimony they've elicited themselves.

When is it the Defense's turn to bring witnesses?

 

[MugolEx]

So even in the worst-case scenario, we're looking at something like a suspended sentence or short incarceration.

Not even this. They will do the worst to Chauvin. This whole court case is not about justice, it's about sending a message to any dissident who doesn't fall in line.

 

[Lil Weed Lova]

If they can't agree on murder unanimously this whole thing is going to a mistrial. It's already heavily on that path it seems.

They can agree on manslaughter which is what the prosecution is clearly trying to push.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

Kinda but not fully- it's very likely that members of the jury, and most people generally, would like Chauvin to be convicted because that fits with the narrative that cops is racis wipipo and black people are good boyz who dindu nuffin. However, most people- jury included- are also pretty good and honest at heart and would certainly not convict chauvin if they really did think he was innocent. Therefore, it's a weird situation for the jury where they have to juggle orders from the judge to hold no bias (especially important in deliberation) while holding likely conflicting notions about whether chauvin 'should' be convicted. To solve this, they turn to the prosecution in hope it will lay out a good enough case that they can in good conscience find him guilty, and yet the pros is bobbling the ball every step of the way.

Never take anything for granted, as much as prosecution seems to be making slips the case isn't over until it's over, and there's a million reasons (legitimate or no) the jury could decide guilty or not guilty. Don't get too cocky is all, I'm sure the prosecution in 12 angry men was really sure of their case

I'm not cocky at all, I think Chauvin will get charged with murder because people are stupid and can't remove their NPC programmed biases.

My point was that from an unbiased perspective this is a slam dunk case for the defense. Only jury incompetence would see him charged with anything.

 

[Throwing Romans]

When is it the Defense's turn to bring witnesses?

After the prosecution rests after all their witnesses have been called.

 

[Merry]

They can agree on manslaughter which is what the prosecution is clearly trying to push.

Yesterday they were trying to remove a possible manslaughter defense by attacking his training and the validity of the knee on the back with the Chief of Police. That already fell apart today as another Kiwi pointed out. If I was in a Jury this would look very bad to me.

 

[Coccxys]

Don't forget shit like this exists. We were trained that pretty much anything can be a weapon. If someone got within arms reach whilst holding a phone and displaying some sort of aggression our policy was knocking it out of their hand. There are plenty of things people do not really consider that police are trained for. Yes those people with phones weren't that close but it's another thing the police have to quickly factor in.



Since CPR and first aid keeps coming up I'll go with some of our training in that. It was if the situation is not under control don't attempt it full stop.

 

[Spicey McHaggis]

Isn't the prosecution the entire state of Minnesota though? That would mean that if the state can't prosecute Chauvin, then the mob would be going after the entire state that they live in... basically a "state-wide chimp-out" if you will.

Outside of the cities, Minnesota is super fucking white. Rioting will be contained there. That's also assuming the local hmong community doesn't say "fuck it" and go full rooftop Korean. They already are strapped to hell and back.

 

[talk sh1t]

I didn't know the Scientology thing, I need to look into that.
One factoid I always like to roll out with my Black Autism is the Zebra Murders. As far as I know there has only been one book written about but, but the short story is: it was a massive murder spree in the late 70s conducted by the Fruit of Islam (NOI offshoot) where they would just go into the street and shoot white people. It was complete and total racially motivated hate crimes, and evidence shows that they gave extra "points" for killing white women and children. They succeeded in killing 15 people in total and wounded 8 others, for a total of 23 victims. I don't have the evidence in front of me right now to verify, but I remember reading that the Nation of Islam is directly responsible for more racially motivated murders than the KKK. But considering how different people count these things differently it might be impossible to know for sure.

The thing with these "shades of grey" events is that at the end of the day, to most laymen, the most messed up crimes committed by the minority will always be justified as just desserts for the oppressors because of their long history of imposing tyranny.

 

[Lil Weed Lova]

Yesterday they were trying to remove a possible manslaughter defense by attacking his training and the validity of the knee on the back with the Chief of Police. That already fell apart today as another Kiwi pointed out. If I was in a Jury this would look very bad to me.

Ignoring everything else, attacking the knee technique could play in favor of both 3rd-degree murder and manslaughter charges.

 

[Top Skink]

this is a slam dunk case for the defense.

No, that's the entire issue. This is certainly NOT a slam dunk case for the defense- a slam dunk case would be a massive horde of exculpatory evidence that shows, beyond any question, that the defendant is not guilty and could not even possibly be guilty. This is not this case. Does the defense have a fighting chance even before considering prosecution due to drugs in floyd's system and some of the testimony? yes. Is it cut and dry? No. Defense has a big leg up currently because of how badly the prosecution is handling this, but don't confuse any of that with saying it's an easy and obvious verdict, there's too many variables and open questions for the average person to make a clear answer.

Should he go not guilty? Yeah, I think so, big floyd was rocked out of his mind and his coroner report and toxicology gives pretty clear answers as to cause of death, but none of that is to say I think even if this case wasn't a massive deal (as if the trial would still be happening, but still) I can see it reasonably going either way based on skill of attorneys and witnesses.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

When is it the Defense's turn to bring witnesses?

After the prosecution is finished calling their witnesses. At the rate this is going, maybe next week? But that's just a guess given that the medical examiner is probably going to take a whole day. And who knows which other clowns they have in their car.

They can agree on manslaughter which is what the prosecution is clearly trying to push.

I checked out of the case for a few months, but didn't Chauvin try to plead guilty to something and the prosecution was like "No, we need to try you for second-degree murder?" It'd be a helluva note if they rejected a plea deal only to see him convicted of a lesser charge.

I'm not cocky at all, I think Chauvin will get charged with murder because people are stupid and can't remove their NPC programmed biases.

My point was that from an unbiased perspective this is a slam dunk case for the defense. Only jury incompetence would see him charged with anything.

He's already been charged; do you mean convicted?

(ETA: Katy Tur's opening words on MSNBC were about whether Floyd's friend will be called and now she's replaying the line of questioning where Nelson was like "Have you ever seen someone faking illness because they didn't want to be arrested?" I suspect her of harboring wrongthink. Her dad filmed the beating of Reginald Denny, then later trooned out.)

 

[Merry]

Ignoring everything else, attacking the knee technique could play in favor of both 3rd-degree murder and manslaughter charges.

Time will tell. Respectfully disagree.

On a more amusing note they stopped using the female prosecutor to ask questions.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

He's already been charged; do you mean convicted?

Yes, do not mind my brainletness

 

[Coccxys]

Don't forget while you do your analysis where the burden of proof lies. The prosecution has to prove their charges beyond a reasonable doubt, that is a high barrier to overcome, especially when they can't even show what killed Floyd. This isn't a balance of probability thing and the jury will be reminded in the instructions at the end that they must agree the prosecution has shown all the elements of each charge beyond a reasonable doubt in order to find the defendant guilty of any of them.

 

[Purpleshells]

Isn't she the troon?
I swear there was some ghetto "kween" who also got death-by-cop that they tried to make into a martyr.

I can’t find anything about Charleena Lyles being a tranny so I think she was just a very very unfortunate looking lady. But I found one named Chynal Lindsay, so similar sounding name. When it comes to the one they tried making a martyr are you thinking of Sandra Bland or Breonna Taylor? Those two got way more media attention.