The Trial of Derek Chauvin - Judgement(?) Day(?) has arrived!

[JohnDoe]

This morning was already a trip. The prosecution's own witnesses have done more for the defense that I thought possible. The highlight was the prosecution's own use-of-force confirming that:

1) Chauvin's hold was not a neck hold, but was instead targeting the shoulder/back
2) That the hold was appropriate
3) That the crowd was violent and a factor in the use of force calculation

Why is the prosecution continuing to call witnesses when it seems only a quarter aren't subverted into defense witnesses?

 

[Coccxys]

Why is the prosecution continuing to call witnesses when it seems only a quarter aren't subverted into defense witnesses?

I think the prosecution are ignoring the first rule of lawyering and asking questions they don't know how the witness will answer.

 

[Lil Weed Lova]

Why is the prosecution continuing to call witnesses when it seems only a quarter aren't subverted into defense witnesses?

They are all subverted or have an invested interest in agreeing with everything the prosecution says about Chauvin having to dance around Floyd with a rattle and a pacifier instead of holding him down. They just don't lie to the defense because the defense has most of the stuff on record already and leaves no leeway for the answers.

 

[Top Skink]

Why is the prosecution continuing to call witnesses when it seems only a quarter aren't subverted into defense witnesses?

Because the prosecution didn't come prepared to do a trial, they came prepared to do a victory march.

Just listen to all the attorneys except for the nose, the lady especially, the questions are rambling with little focus on outlining a specific story for the trial, almost like they want to showboat and try to get great tidbits for news coverage. SURELY an overconfident prosecution has neeeeeeever blown a case by failing to competently put together a story and just assumed the case would win itself? Well anyway that's not what happening here at least, after all the glove doesn't fit the prosecutors :^)

 

[Kermit Jizz]

The prosecution has to prove their charges beyond a reasonable doubt, that is a high barrier to overcome, especially when they can't even show what killed Floyd.

Beyond reasonable doubt to a jury. That basically means however they feel based on their biases.

They can be reminded all they want not to be biased, but that doesn't make them not biased.

 

[Overly Serious]

If they can't agree on murder unanimously this whole thing is going to a mistrial. It's already heavily on that path it seems.

Is there any reason why someone would want a mistrial if they couldn't get a conviction? Like would it be better for the prosecutor to get a mistrial? Could the Antifa DA Keith Ellison to spin a mistrial better than he could Not Guilty?

Just wondering how tin-foil I should be.

 

[TitusOvid]

Honestly with what I've experienced of activism in my life, I'm not sure I believe things were ever actually like that.

How do I know that they just didn't lie about all that Jim Crow era shit, or at the very least twist it. In the modern day every single fucking time you hear the narrative "he was a good boy he dindu nuffin" it ALWAYS turns out to be a lie 100% without fail. How can I be sure that those lynching victims were innocent? Because "he was just smiling at the white girl he dindu nuffin" sounds an awful lot like "hands up don't shoot, he never attacked those cops".

Yes, I've really come to question everything I've been taught about the past seeing how much the current media and societal narrative is pure lies.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

I think the prosecution are ignoring the first rule of lawyering and asking questions they don't know how the witness will answer.

Honestly, I don't think the prosecution prepped these people, and if they did, they did a fucking poor job of it.

Aren't lawyers supposed to sit with their clients/witnesses and go over the questions they are going to ask them and what potential questions the other side MIGHT ask them so they get a better understanding and mind-frame of the situation (I.E. not snap under pressure)?

 

[AncientPhosphur]

It all comes down to if the jury can stay impartial. All it takes is one accusation of being racist for not voting to make him guilty and all the jurors would demand to be the one to hang him to show how not racist they are

 

[Gehenna]

Black on black lynching was also not unheard of View attachment 2064273

"We want him dead more."

 

[b0o0pinsn0o0tz]

Just putting it out there, no matter how bad prosecutors fuck it up. The jury will not treat this fairly out of social pressure. Sorry guys, people thinking Chauvin will walk are being .

 

[JohnDoe]

It all comes down to if the jury can stay impartial. All it takes is one accusation of being racist for not voting to make him guilty and all the jurors would demand to be the one to hang him to show how not racist they are

Conversely, one holdout can force a mistrial. Just one based juror can shitcan this whole shit show. It's the outcome I can be most realistically optimistic about.

 

[Merry]

It all comes down to if the jury can stay impartial. All it takes is one accusation of being racist for not voting to make him guilty and all the jurors would demand to be the one to hang him to show how not racist they are

That will be tough imo, his voter record was Democrat and his wife was Asian

 

[Top Skink]

They can be reminded all they want not to be biased, but that doesn't make them not biased.

idk, that feels easy to say and hard to back up, we all saw the vetting process in detail, the chance he's voted guilty purely because of a biased jury is very low. Remember juries don't work internally like they do externally- while they don't have to explain the intricacies of their thoughts to the public (kinda) they do absolutely and completely have to explain their thoughts to each other in deliberation. And you can't just blindly go 'yup he donedo killed dat po mufugga floyd cause he a raciss wipipo popo cracka' in the jury room because there is absolutely an expectation to talk it through, especially given some of the other members of the jury.

Cases unexpectedly doing what's right in the past and present show that juries really are made up of normal people who generally want to do the right thing, and while it's 1000% possible the personal biases will influence their perception of the case, it's doubtful to the extreme they'll use that bias as an argument or justification itself. that requires 12 wholly morally corrupt people to all consciously agree to subvert every basic principle of a trial, and there's no reason to expect that to happen as of yet

 

[Lil Weed Lova]

Hey, guys. New to this thread. I think I might have a fresh perspective. A hot take, if you will. What if, just listen, what if the jury is all brainwashed and shit and will convict Chauvin regardless? Surely, this sentiment hasn't been repeated literally 1000+ times in the span of this thread alone, roughly half a dozen times per page.

 

[Not Really Here]

Just putting it out there, no matter how bad prosecutors fuck it up. The jury will not treat this fairly out of social pressure. Sorry guys, people thinking Chauvin will walk are being .

I've been reading this thread since page one and I don't recall anyone saying they thought Chauvin will walk.

 

[Top Skink]

Hey, guys. New to this thread. I think I might have a fresh perspective. A hot take, if you will. What if, just listen, what if the jury is all brainwashed and shit and will convict Chauvin regardless? Surely, this sentiment hasn't been repeated literally 1000+ times in the span of this thread alone, roughly half a dozen times on every single page.

damn bro, get some oven mitts for that hot take

 

[America's Hat]

I've been reading this thread since page one and I don't recall anyone saying they thought Chauvin will walk.

Well here's one just for you: Without jury tampering, Chauvin walks.

 

[Not Really Here]

Well here's one just for you: Without jury tampering, Chauvin walks.

Every member of the jury has stated they know who Chauvin is and they don't like him.

 

[Merry]

I've been reading this thread since page one and I don't recall anyone saying they thought Chauvin will walk.

At the beginning of the thread most people thought he would get off on lesser charges as the thread poll indicates, attitude shifted after seeing numerous fuckups by the prosecutions and cross examination full Nelsons